Police are Now Shooting Licensed Gun Owners – Where is the GOP?

Another morning waking up, and another black man killed by the police. I don’t pretend to understand, I can’t pretend, but how can you not sympathize? How can you not wake up and feel outrage, disgust, animosity, frustration….the words go on, and continue ad nauseum.

I awaken to another police-involved shooting, but this time a legally licensed to carry individual was shot dead by the State. While complying with the officers commands. After notifying the officer he was legally carrying.

Last night, a police officer pulled over Philando Castile, a 32 year old licensed concealed carry gun owner for a broken right taillight. The individual notified the officer he was legally carrying, and that he would be reaching for his identification as requested. The police officer then shot the man four to five times, and claimed Castile was reaching into his pocket as use of force justification.

This is now two shootings in two days, two black men dead, both men having a firearm on them, separated by more than 1700 miles, yet both of which the basic justification is, ‘well, they had a gun on them.’ Never mind that neither man was threatening or even holding their gun. Never mind that Castile was legally licensed to carry.

Just, never mind.

You may not have cared when Michael Brown was unarmed and killed in Ferguson. Or when Eric Gardner was choked to death with an illegal police maneuver in New York City. Or when unarmed Walter Scott was shot in the back while running from a police officer. Or when Corey Jones was shot by an undercover officer responding to a broken down vehicle.

But for God’s sakes, how can you not care now? A police officer just shot and killed a man who acknowledged having a legal firemarm, notified the officer he would be reaching for his identification as requested, and was shot anyway. The State just executed a person for legally using his 2nd Amendment rights.

At what point do we care, where do we draw the line, where is the party of limited government?

We’re the party of limited government, yet we as a party largely continue to turn a blind, unsympathetic eye to the continued excessive use of force and outright executions by the State on its citizens. We are the party of limited government, but god forbid we ever be seen as not supporting the State’s domestic force in ALL matters, as if a badge and a gun makes their character unimpeachable.

We’re the party of the 2nd Amendment, but now at a crossroads: when the ‘law and order’ plank violates the 2nd Amendment rights of an individual citizen and executes him…which way will the party go?

I already know the answer, and I don’t know why I bother asking the question.

This post is disjointed, but so are my emotions. I’m over it, over it all… I’m over waking up to another shooting, another life taken by the State, while identifying with a political party that seems immune to this now-daily occurrence.

How can you not care?

PS I’ve left off the obligatory, ‘of course police are not all bad, it’s less than 1% of the force making them bad apples, etc.’ All that remains true, but we need to wake up.

  • D.j. McGuire

    AWB.
    Maddening.

    • Leon Wilkeson

      Average White Band?

      • D.j. McGuire

        No, Armed While Black.

        • Stephen Spiker

          I thought “Alive While Black”.

  • Thomas Kelo

    “less than 1% of the force making them bad apples”

    This can’t be true because the other 99% are always covering up for the 1%. The system is corrupt and rigged.

  • MD Russ

    D. J.,

    Take a deep breath.

    “The State” did not execute this man. A cop shot him. Why he shot him and if it was in any way justified we do not know. That will come out in the investigation and the cop will be prosecuted if he acted without justification.

    There are a couple of things that we do know. He did not tell the cop he was legally carrying. He simply told him that he had a gun. His girlfriend then screamed, “but he’s licensed!” The cop told him not to move, but he reached for his wallet anyway. We know this from his girlfriend’s account of the shooting.

    BTW, if you have a CCP and are carrying, the correct thing to do during a traffic stop is to place your hands on the steering wheel and tell the cop that you have a CCP and have a handgun in the car. Then, wait for the cop to tell you what to do. Normally, he will ask you where the gun is and then ask you to get out of the car.

    I am in no way making excuses for the cop here. But you are going off the deep end and making this out to be a Big Brother repressive government thing. You will have to be patient and wait for Donald Trump to be elected before that happens.

    • Stephen Spiker

      Cops are agents of the state, Russ.

      • MD Russ

        So is the supervisor of a school cafeteria. Next.

        • Jerel C. Wilmore

          It won’t be the police officer who pays the multi-million dollar wrongful death settlement, it’ll be the government, i.e., the state.

          • John E. McGlothlin

            Exactly – i.e. all of us taxpayers.

          • Warmac9999

            It will be we the people. The state has no money of its own as it produces no wealth.

        • Stephen Spiker

          Cops are specifically given the power of life and death over others by the state, and has set up a system to protect them from accountability for their actions. I’m not sure what you’re pushing back against here.

          • MD Russ

            I am pushing back against a rush to judgement that somehow our representative government was responsible for the death of this man and not a rogue or careless cop. We do not expect to be treated by the government according to the behavior of the worst among us. The government should be granted the same consideration.

          • Stephen Spiker

            When we say “the State”, we’re not referring to the collective group of individuals, from the President to Congressmen all the way down to school cafeteria workers, saying they’re all responsible for pulling the trigger.

            Rather, the set of policies and laws in place that led to this situation, including the system that offers little accountability for “rogue or careless cops” and thus fails to act as a proper deterrent for their rogue and careless actions, which can have fatal consequences.

          • MD Russ

            I’m not buying that. Yes, I know all about the Blue Wall of Silence. But I also know about Internal Affairs, Civilian Review Boards, and successful prosecutions of crooked and killer cops. We have no idea how this shooting went down yet and whether the cop will be prosecuted. Making sweeping statements about “The State” at this point is reckless and inflammatory. It reeks of the anti-government insanity that led to Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Oklahoma City.

          • Stephen Spiker

            Concerns over agents of the state killing its own citizens is not reckless. Even if they are isolated incidents, which this is most decidedly not.

            I think you’re overreacting and missing the point. It’s not a “conspiracy”, like the black helicopter gang. It’s inadequate policies. And it’s not a “sweeping statement”, implicating everyone who ever participated in government. It’s a damning indictment of a system we have in place that is very clearly not working, and lives are being lost because of that.

          • MD Russ

            You want to talk about overreacting, Stephen? The Governor of Minnesota (a Democrat, BTW) has just announced that racism was a factor in the shooting. Now lets see anyone try to prosecute the cop if the investigation produces charges. The defense lawyers will get every potential juror to admit that the Governor said that the shooting was racially motivated. That is the problem with the system, Stephen. It is not rigged to protect bad cops but sabotaged by big-mouth politicians trying to make points with voters. Meanwhile, not to be outdone by Gov. Dayton, Obama is on TV citing statistics about blacks being shot by cops. Is he intentionally trying to recreate Ferguson and Baltimore?

          • Sammy

            I would believe that this system was rigged by politicians against police officers if a substantial number ever were prosecuted.

            …or even held civilly liable. Civil liability attaches to any person who, under color of state law, deprives another of a right protected under the United States Constitution or federal law. Which sounds all well and good, but the degree of deference that the courts give to police officers under the judge-made law of qualified immunity has gone to far, in my personal opinion.

            (The idea that a police officer can be reasonable when he unreasonably searches or seizes another person is the sort of thing that could only ever make sense to a room full of lawyers.)

          • Stephen Spiker

            We weren’t talking about the Governor of Minnesota, we were talking about your odd pushback that somehow cops aren’t agents of the state? And the policies they follow aren’t government policies? I’m still not 100% sure what point you think you’re making.

            BTW, there can be multiple problems with the system. It doesn’t have to be just one “The Problem”. And FWIW, this wouldn’t be the first time political leaders have jumped into the fray. It doesn’t seem to make a lick of difference in actually holding cops accountable, though.

            And what’s wrong with Obama accurately citing statistics, seeking to use facts to respond to tragedy? The horror.

        • So this was State on State crime?

          • MD Russ

            If you believe the histrionics of the Spiker brothers, yes.

          • Based on what I saw in the video and what the eyewitness has said about what happened, I’m having a hard time believing that this was a clean shoot.

            I want to see what the officers have to say, and I wish they had body cameras or a dash camera that recorded what happened.

          • MD Russ

            I suspect that it will be found to be a bad shooting; hard to imagine otherwise. Unfortunately, Gov. Dayton’s gratuitous remarks about it being racially motivated, without any evidence at all, is going to make it very difficult to find a jury that hasn’t been tainted.

            My point here is that it is too early to proclaim this incident to be an example of some kind of state-sponsored police repression rather than a bad cop doing something wrong and potentially criminal.

          • The problem is that this isn’t an isolated event.

          • MD Russ

            No, it isn’t. Neither is black-on-black crime or Hispanic gang violence, such as MS13. Does that mean there is a systemic problem of black genocide by blacks or that all Hispanics are prone to anti-social behavior? That is Donald Trump territory.

          • The rates are way out of proportion. That’s the problem. The Post did an article on this around Christmas of last year. Something like 40% of all shootings of unarmed men were black men – every other race made up the rest. Blacks are only 12% of the population. It’s way out of proportion. This is a legitimate issue. We’ve got to do better.

          • MD Russ

            Incarceration rates for blacks and Latinos are also way out of proportion for their representation in the population as a whole. Is the possibility that prosecutors, judges, and juries are racially prejudiced also a legitimate issue, Counselor?

          • Sure.

          • MD Russ

            Then the problem is not just our law enforcement officers, but our entire criminal justice system.

            So, when do protesters start shooting judges and lawyers? And what do we do about it? Shall we establish Affirmative Action quotas to limit how many blacks and Latinos can be sentenced to prison?

          • It’s not a problem with any easy solutions, nor do I think government alone can fix it. but we should be looking at who we lock up and why, and if that’s the best way to handle things. We don’t need quotas, but we also should at least try to figure out why these numbers are out of proportion.

          • MD Russ

            Is there any possibility that we lock up blacks and Latinos more often because they commit crimes more often? This is not a racial issue, but a socioeconomic issue. People in the lower economic levels commit more crimes.

            Now we have gone from blaming police racism for citizen shootings to indicting the entire criminal justice system to blaming the American socioeconomic stratum for racial injustice. Feel the Bern.

          • Stephen Spiker

            It is wholly possible to believe in both socioeconomic issues and systemic racial inequality in the judicial system.

          • I think it’s more likely that we lock them up because we police communities they live in more heavily. But just looking at the demographics, it’s hard to understand why the largest percentage of the population – whites are over 60% – are going to jail less than those who make up less than 20% each. The math doesn’t work right.

          • MD Russ

            Now that is an interesting chicken and egg question. Do more minorities wind up in prison because we police their communities more heavily or do we police their communities more heavily because there is more crime there?

          • Warmac9999

            The welfare system imprisons generation after generation of people by making them dependent on the state. This is wonderful for socialism because it guarantees a compliant population. Ever been to the Congo. In the midst of magnificent forests, lakes, plains and other natural resources, the go to feeding stations to get their daily rations. At least one of their major cities with a population of between 1-2 million people, the roads remain unpaved. Nobody picks up a shovel or rake to,smooth out the potholes.

          • H G

            That is some fuzzy logic.

          • Undertow

            Keep harping on Trump you liberal sycophant.

          • Stephen Spiker

            Why would a liberal have any problem with Trump? They would agree on most issues.

          • MD Russ

            More accurately, a liberal would agree with Trump on all the issues 50% of the time when Trump isn’t flip-flopping. Such as when he was pro-abortion before he was pro-life, when he was for taxes on the wealthy before he was for lower taxes on the wealthy, when he was a Democrat before he was a Republican, and so on.

          • Undertow

            Would they now? Keep telling yourself that buddy.

          • Stephen Spiker

            I can’t tell if you’re purposefully misunderstanding the point. Absolutely no one here thinks or has said that bad cops are “state-sponsored repression”, as if they received orders from state leaders to shoot black people. You are arguing against a strawman. It’s not a good look for you.

          • MD Russ

            “We’re the party of limited government, yet we as a party largely
            continue to turn a blind, unsympathetic eye to the continued excessive
            use of force and outright executions by the State on its citizens.”

            That is not a strawman, Stephen. That is what D. J. wrote.

          • Stephen Spiker

            So what are you arguing, Russ? That there are no changes in policy or training needed? All bad cops (and the myriad ways they are protected) are outliers in an otherwise perfect system?

          • MD Russ

            No, I am arguing that we treat each case as a separate incident and stop drawing conspiratorial, anti-government conclusions before Mr. Castile’s body is even cold. And bad cops are not necessarily protected. There are separate cell blocks in most prisons for convicted cops. But good cops need to be protected from the the no-information, knee-jerk commentaries like those of you and D. J.

          • Stephen Spiker

            “Conspiratorial” — Dumb strawman

            “anti-government” — more like limited government and accountability. Learn the difference. It’s not hard.

            “no-information” – This from the guy who just said bad cops aren’t protected

            I’m happy for you that you get to wake up in the morning in a world where you perceive no inequality in the judicial system. Just an ever-growing pile of separate incidents, nothing that needs to be addressed here, nosiree.

          • MD Russ

            I sincerely hope that makes you feel better. Now, good night.

          • Stephen Spiker

            I sincerely hope that your strawmans, personal attacks, pointless arguing, and pretend above-the-fray posturing makes you feel better, as well.

          • Warmac9999

            It is interesting that you have to remind spider that we treat people individually.

          • Stephen Spiker

            No reminder needed. I’ve never said anything about cops as a group. My critique is with the policies that they operate under.

          • Warmac9999

            If you read the latest news reports, this may very well have been an appropriate response to a crime and resisting arrest. Castilo isn’t a choir boy and appears to have been identified as a robbery suspect in a recent crime.

          • Warmac9999

            There is quite a bit of new and relevant info on the Castilo situation. I suggest that this article be updated as it appears to be in error in major ways. There is at least some expectation that facts actually be facts.

    • Warmac9999

      And there may yet be more revelations. I read that the dead guy didn’t have a drivers license. The cop had no way of knowing what he was dealing with if the license plate doesn’t check out with the driver – who is driving the car would be a logical question. Also, I didn’t see anybody’s hands so don’t exactly know what the cop thought he saw.

      Rusty, you are correct about being careful when you are pulled over. I accidentally hit my trunk release about a decade ago and this spooked the cop. He ran my plates and I apologized profusely for the error.

  • Warmac9999

    I suggest that this is premature. Having seen the video and listened to the woman involved, it appears to be a bad shoot. However, as with Trayvon, Michael, Freddie, and some others, there is another side yet to be heard.

  • John E. McGlothlin

    Thank you for writing this – I have always wondered why we lose our collective minds when the government wants to run a healthcare exchange but seem strangely unbothered when it kills its own citizens or confiscates their hard-earned property without even filing charges.

    Making police officers accountable isn’t somehow an insult to them – it’s just recognition of how important they are and the power we give them in the name of protecting us.

    • MD Russ

      I take it then that you are opposed to the death penalty (think of John Allen Muhammad, the DC sniper) and opposed to the IRS seizing the bank accounts of a tax scofflaw?

      • Jerel C. Wilmore

        The death penalty is supposed to only happen after due legal process. A police officer is an agent of the government–the state–and the state isn’t supposed to deprive its citizens of life, liberty, or property without due process.

  • Party of the 2nd Amendment? Are you looking to federalize the local police force? What type of system do you wish to implement that would resolve this issue? Maybe we’ll make it to resemble the SS or NKVD. Then we’ll only get the news stories that advances the agenda.

    Personally, these are two stories separated by 1,000 miles with no relevance, other than there are two dead, they were carrying and shot by police officers. Really, anything beyond that is pure speculation.

  • mark Jawsz

    Is there a video of the actual shooting as it took place, or at least some sound? What I saw on youtube was the tragic picture of the man dying while his girlfriend was driving. For the record, if the policeman shot this man for no reason, then he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

  • WakeUp

    Article at The Root today speaks to this issue:
    “The 2nd Amendment Is So White: What the Past 24 Hours Have Taught Me About Black People’s Right to Bear Arms”

    I have a years-long conversation with VCDL and others about ensuring protection of the 2A rights of poor people, homeless people, immigrants, Muslims, atheists, anarchists, people of color, transgender persons, etc. These groups are FAR MORE VULNERABLE to violence – including violence at the hands of government authorities – than most any other groups in the US!

    Everyone should want to help ensure that all of these – poor people, homeless people, immigrants, Muslims, atheists, anarchists, people of color, transgender persons, etc. – who want to legally own and carry weapons should be able to!

    To their credit VCDL has respected the importance of this point of view and had even offered to help arrange training for special groups (e.g. many transgender persons may not feel welcome to go to a usual place for gun use and gun safety training).

    To their DIS-credit NRA has never once answered many inquired to them on this topic.

    Perhaps Republicans in the House of Delegates – who have made Virginia one of the most ‘liberal’ places to own and carry weapons! – should present some bill(s) to ensure these groups – poor people, homeless people, immigrants, Muslims, atheists, anarchists, people of color, transgender persons, etc. – have access to guns, gun training, and support for their 2A rights.

    Virginia Republicans can show their support for demanding the Virginia House, and Senate, pass legislation to do that!

    • mark Jawsz

      All of the groups you mentioned do have access to guns and to their 2A rights. I can tell you by a spate of shootings at Fort Hood, San Bernardino, Orlando, et al, Muslims certainly have access to guns.

    • Leon Wilkeson

      If you’re trying to make a point, don’t look to the Root as your source material. That post was a complete dumpster fire. Assuming they are US citizens, and unless they have disqualified themselves by being felons, etc., all of the people you named are free to exercise their second amendment rights. What do you want? A subsidy? Should have guessed.

      • WakeUp

        Well,

        regarding NRA: I have asked them to disclose how much of their outreach efforts reach out to poor people, homeless people, immigrants, Muslims, atheists, anarchists, people of color, transgender persons, etc. NO RESPONSE. We can make a very safe bet that they poorly reach out to these groups.

        To VCDL’s credit they were responsive.

        AND, regarding public monies, since the Virginia Legislature is fond of handing out privileges and give aways to their friends – why can’t they hand out some give aways to support
        poor people, homeless people, immigrants, Muslims, atheists, anarchists, people of color, transgender persons, etc. who need EDUCATION about their 2A rights, who need supportive community to help them exercise their rights.

        AND, regarding YOU (regular folks in this blog, and across Virginia), IF YOU enjoy your 2A rights shouldn’t you be reaching out to help all other Virginians – including poor people, homeless people, immigrants, Muslims, atheists, anarchists, people of color, transgender persons, etc. – to enjoy their 2A rights? So, we ask: is your GUN CLUB, is your 2A RIGHTS GROUP, is your HUNT CLUB, etc reaching out to
        poor people, homeless people, immigrants, Muslims, atheists, anarchists, people of color, transgender persons, etc. …

        Well, ARE YOU?

        • Leon Wilkeson

          No. But I’ll be happy to hand them a copy of the constitution. I’m a laissez-faire kind of guy. You have a right – exercise it if you wish. Also, I’m pretty sure this wasn’t a serious post to begin with, but I’ll take the bait and say that if my goal is to help homeless people, meeting with them to encourage them to buy guns is a pretty piss poor strategy.

    • Stephen Spiker

      Unfortunately, there’s no legislation that can fix what you’re referring to. These type of decisions are in the hands of the men and women who wake up every morning looking to serve and protect their communities. Unfortunately, there are some who will have no problem with a white guy carrying openly, but will open fire on a black guy picking up a toy gun off the shelf at Wal-Mart (and not be held accountable for it).

  • MD Russ

    In breaking news, two cops have been shot in Dallas at a protest of the Minnesota and Louisiana shootings. It is now open season on all cops with no bag limit.

    Nice work by all of you, esp. you D. J., who characterized this as a systemic repression of certain citizens by the State. I hope that you are proud of yourselves.

    • I thought we weren’t supposed to respond emotionally, and wait until we have all the facts?

      • MD Russ

        I am following Bearing Drift’s lead.

        • You know better than to attribute one contributors opinion to the entire site. Shaun agrees with you, too.

    • Stephen Spiker

      That’s not how D.J. characterized it, no matter how many times you (intentionally?) misread it. And you seeking to lay this tragedy at D.J.’s feet, or anyone else that’s pushing for accountability for bad cops, is sick and utterly classless. Go fuck yourself.

      • MD Russ

        “We’re the party of limited government, yet we as a party largely
        continue to turn a blind, unsympathetic eye to the continued excessive
        use of force and outright executions by the State on its citizens.”

        I am fluent in English as a native speaker with graduate degrees, Stephen, and that is precisely how D.J. characterized it. As for impossible sex acts, your resorting to obscene insults only makes you look childish.

        • Stephen Spiker

          You saying “Nice work, I hope you’re proud of yourselves” to D.J. in response to the Dallas attacks makes you look no less childish, and an asshole to boot. What kind of twisted mind sees four dead cops and says to himself, “a ha! Let’s see them get upset about excessive force now!” ?

          I’ve explained, gently and slowly, the difference between your false interpretation that this is somehow a state-dictated conspiracy, and the reality of inadequate policies that exacerbate underlying issues that need to be addressed. You continue to push back, and God only knows what point you’re trying to make, but you squandered what little good faith effort one might presume you had with this incredibly gutless response.

  • Stephen Fong

    DJ,
    I’m responding to your post by going in a different direction. Please don’t see it as a criticism of your column.
    It is directed at the Republican Party as a whole.
    You expressed your concerns about both the unwarranted killings and violation of the Second Amendment, both of which is respectable.
    The points I want to add to the outrage here are the strategies of the National Rifle Association and principled gun activists in messaging towards protect the Second Amendment.
    While the reaction of police officers to legal conceal/carry is shocking and I loathe bringing racism into discussions because of the baggage that is automatically piled on, the Minnesota case clearly raises in the minds of Americans, especially African Americans, the specter of overreacting to racial profiling.
    The GOP and gun advocates have made efforts to connect with minority Americans; through the party’s flagship and/or niche issues. But so much of that work comes undone when the party addresses issues without acknowledging well-grounded racial aspects.
    When you do the latter, affected minority communities do not connect with the GOP. In fact, they think we don’t care when they know certain issues disproportionately affect them but our party and allies won’t acknowledge that impact.
    I know and understand that we’re aiming for a color-blind society; but it doesn’t change the fact that race is a real factor in certain situations.
    African Americans know that they are represented above their share of the population in questionable law enforcement shootings.
    The LGBT community knows that they were targeted in Orlando, even as the Republican National Committee argued to invoke a common humanity rather than focus on the orientation of those targeted.
    As examples, in these circumstances, race and sexual orientation are defining personal components of victims’ identities. As being a policeman or other first responder would be at their funerals. You wouldn’t ignore that they were part of law enforcement/emergency services in eulogies, traditions or obituaries.
    By cleansing their identities, you give minority communities less connection and therefore less reason that the party has their best interest at heart. In the case of recent tragedies, you ignore perhaps the core reason why they were victims.
    Why does it matter?
    Well, at its most crass, ethnic minority communities are expected to constitute 30 percent of the electorate this fall. I’ve seen numbers for Trump as low as 15 percent support among ethnic minorities (Romney got 18 percent). If this comes to pass, Hillary Clinton will start off with 25.5 percent of the vote and Trump with 4.5 percent.
    Thus, Clinton will only need just a bit more than 35 percent of the remaining 70 percent of the vote (Anglo American) or 24.5 percent of the electorate to be elected president. Think of the steepness of the cliff if we were running against a popular Democrat like Bernie Sanders.
    The Republican Party have been pushing minorities away rather than embracing them. We have created an environment where we would be the opposition party for the future or a niche party representing parochial interests because we won’t effectively work with voters who we need and could get. Which is fine if that’s what we want to be. But not if we want to lead the greatest country on earth.

  • Gerald Zeigler

    Your judgements regarding the specific incidents are premature. Your concern regarding the GOP response to concerns about police interaction with black people and legal gun owners and the rights for both groups are certainly valid.

  • Warmac9999

    The Conservative Treehouse has a very thorough of the Castillo matter and I suggest that all who post here read that analysis. It puts quite a different set of facts in play.

    • Stephen Spiker

      “Thorough”? All it does is claim he’s a robbery suspect and a gang member, in addition to being a school cafeteria worker. None of that would condone executing on the spot, with a child in the backseat.

      • Warmac9999

        First, baby steps. This story is considerably different than he shot the guy for the hell of it. Am hoping that more will trickle out over the next few days. We shall see.

        The child in the back seat is not material. If Castillo pulled a gun on the officer, it doesn’t matter if the car was filled with a bunch of babies.

        • Stephen Spiker

          No one said he was shot “for the hell of it”. The story so far is that Castile announced he had a gun and a permit for it, then when moving his hands (either for the identification the cop asked him for, or to move them back up so the cop could see them), he was shot 5 times.

          What’s extremely suspicious is that the police haven’t released their report yet. Usually they like to be in front of these things, issuing a blanket statement that makes the fact fit their decision to clear the officer of all charges (down the road). It seems Castile’s girlfriend posting the video to social media interrupted that timeline.

  • zke007

    Like always more to the Castile case, there was a armed robber near and he fit the guy. Also local news can not find record of concealed carry gun permit
    Don’t know, friend lives not far from that area

  • ReallyOldOne

    The GOP is the party of limited government? What planet or century are you living on/in? Banning abortions is limited government? Continuous war and nation building is limited government? Militarizing local police is limited government? Authorizing new military equipment even the military doesn’t want is limited government? The war on drugs is limited government? Etc.
    The rest of your article is pretty good, but stating the GOP is the party of limited government is a joke.

  • I voted for Hitler

    Whats the big emphasis on it being black men like they’re some endangered species?

    You guys are just as bad with the pathetic race baiting as obozo.conservative my ass.

    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/

    • Stephen Spiker

      FRIEND #1: Hey Gary, what did you get into last night?

      FRIEND #2: Oh, not much, just making conversation online under a pseudonym.

      FRIEND #1: That’s cool, I guess. What pseudonym do you use?

      FRIEND #2: I voted for Hitler.

      FRIEND #1: Wow, that’s great! I bet everyone takes you seriously and your comments aren’t like immediately disregarded as an obvious troll!

  • jimmarch

    Regarding your PS: it is *not* true.

    A cop is only a good cop if he or she is willing to directly arrest a bad cop, right at the scene where they do wrong. I see nearly zero evidence of that happening, ever.

    I also don’t see obviously bad cops being punished, at least not very often. Many times cops who should be criminally charged aren’t so that the fact charges and/or convictions were placed on the cop isn’t used by their victims or surviving relatives in civil court. Local governments thereby gain, financially, from letting criminals with badges go free. I can show you case after case after case of this sort, some involving obvious murder.

    We must give cops a modest raise adequate to pay for their own liability insurance policies assuming they’re not serial screwups. If they are, and their insurance costs are to high, goodbye…because we also cancel the general department liability insurance policies. No more payouts on the public dime – if a payout happens it’ll be from the individual cop’s policy and hence his premiums go up. They’d be able to stand one such most likely, but do it again? They’ll be priced out of the cop biz.

    This is the only reform left that has any chance of working.

  • Warmac9999

    It is time for you to correct this story with the current facts. If you are going to publish such a story, you have an obligation to update it as the facts become evident.

  • H G

    If it went as you described, the officer should be tried for murder.

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