Freedom of Religion is Still In Our Constitution

Republican State Central Committee member Fredy Burgos has some ‘splainin’ to do.

Burgos, at least on his Twitter feed, is so extreme and nonsensical that he has likely achieved his 15 minutes of fame.

Burgos is an RPV SCC member from the 11th Congressional District, represented by Congressman Gerry Connolly (D).

The district, which ranges from Reston to Quantico, should be considered reasonable and progressive. But if you listen to Burgos, you’d think that “thar be witches!”

You’d also think that George Will – yes, ~THAT~ George Will – is a conservative apostate.

Will might deserve some venom from time-to-time; after all, what pundit doesn’t? But Burgos’ screed (and, yes, I hate sharing it to repeat it, but you have to see it to believe it and understand it’s ridiculousness) is so beyond the pale that one cannot fathom his retention as a member of the GOP leadership:

DUDE!

What are you thinking?

Here’s the deal: we have this thing called the first amendment. You know, the right to assemble? No establishment of religion? No impediment of its free exercise?

ICYMI, here’s the clause:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Burgos, of course, is not calling for Congress to abolish Islam. But his comparison of the religion to the National Socialists is meant to have the same effect on the public psyche: It’s a derisive and intentional attack on faith that really has no room in our modern conversation.

And, yes, I know all about Nazis and Wahabbists; so, spare me.

Quite frankly, if you are a true person of faith, you have, well…faith. And believe in free will.

If you’re Christian, you know from Thessalonians that we put “on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.” What this simply means is that God gives us the freedom to believe and exercise our faith.

Faith is not something to be foisted on another. It’s not a mandate. It’s something between each individual and their creator – not only as called by their creator, but guaranteed by our Constitution.

The bottom-line is that we don’t need this kind of distraction as conservatives and certainly don’t need this kind of Draconian thought in the Republican Party leadership.

Mr. Burgos … go away.

  • Warmac9999

    If you believe that Islam is an ideology and not a religion, there is no specific protection for that ideology in the Bill of Rights. There is no question that Islam has a religious component. There is also no question that Islam has a legal (sharia) and political (caliphate) component. There is also little question that the fundamental practices of Islam involve violence and enslavement.

    • JayD

      And if you believe Christianity is a cult and not a religion, there is no specific protection for cults in the Bill of Rights. IOW, believing doesn’t make it truth.

      Islam – derived from the Arabic root “Salema”: peace, purity, submission and obedience. Islam means submission to the will of God and obedience to His law. (Which should sound very familiar to Christians and Jews).

      Islam is the religion of almost 1/4 of the world’s population – 1.6 billion people; the second largest religion (after Christianity). How a sane person can even begin to suggest Islam isn’t a religion is idiocy beyond my scope of understanding.

      • Warmac9999

        Look up political Islam and the Islamic crusades. Also, look up modern Islamic socialism.

        • JayD

          And you look up Army of God.

          • Warmac9999

            You apparently do not understand the distinction between the old and the newer Christian portions of the Bible. And the Army of God has fewer followers than your local PTA. There is no comparison between such fringe organizations which do not follow the gospel of love preached by Jesus versus the genocidal actions of much of mid-eastern Islam.

          • Chuck Geer

            Warmac, simple question: exactly where did Jesus render the punitive parts of the Law no longer in effect? He didn’t.

          • notjohnsmosby

            I could list the vast number of genocides, wars, pogroms, inquisitions, hate crimes and general megalomania conducted by or on behalf of Christian churches over the millennia. However, that would effectively be a rundown of European and North and South American history, so no time for that.

          • Warmac9999

            Jesus preached love. Men twisted the message. Muhammad preached hate. Men understood the message.

          • WakeUp

            ACTUALLY, early Christians were stigmatized as anti-social elements likely to be destructive or corrosive of accepted social order. THEY (Christians) didn’t attend the centuries-old socially cohesive rituals at various temples and shrines (compare your bigotry that stigmatizes ‘all Muslims’ for not going to church, church suppers, etc … actually we recently has a big church supper at the Presbyterian Church and Muslims prepared most of the food! … ). THEY (Christians) didn’t participate in centuries-old socially cohesive festivals and other social events (compare your bigotry that stigmatizes ‘all Muslims’ similarly). THEY (Christians) dresses, acted, and talked differently and wanted to have different family and social rules for themselves (compare your bigotry that stigmatized ‘all Muslims’ for dressing differently, speaking and acting differently, and wanting to have their own rules in their congregations). Jesus will certainly be your judge for mixing that holy name into your bigotry.

          • David Eggleston

            Don’t worry, WakeUp. Warmac is already worshipping the Emperor, and he hasn’t even been nominated yet.

          • Warmac9999

            I worship no politician unlike the leftists who worship Obama. If there was ever a tyrant as president, Obama is second only to FDR.

          • Warmac9999

            I suggest you read what Churchill said about Islam over 100 years ago in “The River Wars”. You confuse symbolism with substance, and substance is why islam’s sharia laws and caliphate are dangerous. Meanwhile, go back to sleep and let those of us who face realities continue to deal with it.

          • WakeUp

            A sign of the Anti-Christ’s mouthpiece is to use God’s name and Jesus’ name IN VAIN. And when asked to show in Jesus’ words and example the proof of their blasphemy the mouthpiece deflects, avoids, and denies a need to show any proof.

          • Warmac9999

            I don’t know what you are talking about but here is my take. Jesus was never a man of government. He was a man and son of God who came to save sinners. Islam is the opposite. Unlike Jesus who claimed no warriors but to save them, Islam was and is a warrior ideology that intends to spread itself through the sword. So far, 1500 years of Islamic violence and enslavement are pretty good proof of its intentions.

          • WakeUp

            …. the Father of Lies is friendly to the reply ‘I don’t know what you are talking about’ … because it continues the blasphemy.

          • Warmac9999

            You increasingly sound like someone who is trying to pervert Christianity.

          • WakeUp

            John 8:44

            You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

            Rights there, see it?

          • Warmac9999

            You are speaking about Muhammad. To him, the end justified the means, thus a lie is as good as a truth. Muhammad was a murderer from the beginning as well.

            John 3:16. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that who so ever believe in him wil not perish but have everlasting life.

          • notjohnsmosby

            You really are a dumb asshole. WakeUp gave you the bible verse he’s referencing, in addition to cutting and pasting it in for you.

            For a Christian, you don’t seem to know your own religion very well. Or how to Google “John 8:44” to read the passage yourself.

          • David Eggleston

            Maybe he only reads Two Corinthians, NJSM? I hear it is the best book of the Bible. Really classy.

          • WakeUp

            The context is a very important one in John’s gospel writing – perhaps one the most pivotal contexts – following one of Jesus most powerful ‘miracles’: the saving of the life of the adulterous woman. Think about this miracle in light of contemporary rage-ful, hate-ful, mob-minded, violence-driven politics: Jesus walked into a mob driven to blood-lust, and sexual-lust ( psychological science and our own experience shows that lusts about lusts of sexuality and lusts of violence are often connected: we only need to recognize the prevalence of sexual violence and gender violence to see this). What a miracle for our time! And as you seem fixated on Muslim communities what a miracle for Muslim communities where sexual violence, gender violence, and sectarian violence are so horrifying: throwing acid on women who don’t please their husbands (or their husbands’ family); beheading or throwing off roofs or burning alive homosexual persons; selling non-Muslim women, and children (male and female) into sexual slavery. Jesus – clothed in the power of the Holy Spirit – walked into a mob driven by lusts of sexuality, violence, and sectarianism – and asked some simple questions – asked in the power of the Holy Spirit – not only stopping the mob violence BUT also dis-mantling their fury, their hate, their sectarianism. In our day perhaps this is the most powerful miracle of all of Jesus’ many miracles to contemplate, discuss in our communities, and invite the Holy Spirit to teach us?

            The context is following the miracle and in the midst of a long discourse with the Jewish social/religious elites:

            39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.

            “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”

            “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”

            42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

          • Warmac9999

            I think you have hit on something very important. The howling mob on this site want to “stone” Mr Burgos for committing the crime of not being politically correct. Who is there to defend him? Is there not one just man willing to step forward and say “enough, I know you not” to the howling mob.

            And what does the mob do. They turn on the just man just as a similar mob turned on Jesus a couple of thousand years ago. “If you were just, you would treat the offender and offense with understanding and compassion. Why is this not clear to you? You are unable to hear because you do not wish to hear. You carry out the dictates of political correctness provided to you by the globalist liars. I tell you the truth but you do not want the truth. Whoever among you is just, then be just and forgiving because that is the lesson.”

          • Stephen Spiker

            So in this scenario… you’re just like Jesus because you’re choosing to defend someone who said something offensive, so you can keep on saying offensive things too?

            You’re kind of fucked up in the head, aren’t you?

          • Warmac9999

            A member of the lynch mob speaks. I am sure you will be joined shortly by others.

          • Stephen Spiker

            Gain some perspective. You’re being “persecuted” for saying offensive things in the name of hating people who are different from you.

          • Warmac9999

            Burgos is the one you wish to lynch. He is the one you persecute. When I defended his right to be politically incorrect, you and others on this site demanded that he be punished. As far as being Jesus – no, I am a sinner who falls short of the glory of God. There is a book worth reading, “The Last of the Just”. You might learn something in your haste to create the new world order.

          • Stephen Spiker

            No one is challenging his right to be offensive. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences.

            Again, gain some prospective. You’re “war on political correctness” is just a transparent excuse to not feel shame for saying hateful, offensive things about people who are different than you. You’re not “edgy”, you’re not “telling truths”, you’re not “shaking up the system”. You’re just a hateful old racist clinging to a dying ideology of fear and intolerance.

          • WakeUp

            As for the proper guidance in interpreting texts of Scriptures the Hebrew ‘Wisdom’ literature makes it plain that the proper guidance is ‘to see what God is doing in the world and do the same’:

            Proverbs 29 – READ THE ENTIRE chapter 29 but a pivotal verse is 18:

            If people can’t see what God is doing,

            they stumble all over themselves;

            But when they attend to what he reveals,

            they are most blessed.

            If one believes that God is revealing what is God is doing in the world in the words and actions of hate – whatever that hate is! and for whatever purposes that hate claims! – then they are indeed a mouthpiece of the Father of Lies.

          • Warmac9999

            Political correctness is hate.

          • WakeUp

            Obviously, many sorts of speech and behavior are hate-ful. Political speech is notoriously manipulative, and often deploys anger, hate, and lust for purposes that are not God’s purposes.

            We are wise to remember from Timothy (Second Timothy Chapter 3):

            Be sure of this. In the last days hard times will come.

            2 People will love themselves. They will love money. They will talk about themselves and be proud. They will say wrong things about people. They will not obey their parents. They will not be thankful. They will not keep anything holy.

            3 They will have no love. They will not agree with anybody. They will tell lies about people. They will have no self-control. They will beat people. They will not love anything that is good.

            4 They cannot be trusted. They will act quickly, without thinking. They are proud of themselves. They love to have fun more than they love God.

            5 They act as if they worshiped God, yet they do not let God’s power work in their lives. Keep away from people like that. …

            This wise words seem to describe very many people. But we should expect that ‘in the last days’ many will fall away from the ‘narrow way’ of seeking God, seeing what God is doing in the world, and following God closely by doing what God is doing. So a critical question is: what is God doing in the world today?

          • Warmac9999

            We all have free will. God is allowing us to chose good or evil. As evil grows it becomes more obvious. The question is will the just man triumph in the face of the mob. Or, in more modern terms, will globalist tyranny win and evil triumph.

          • Stephen Spiker

            Based on everything that you’ve posted in the past several months, why in the world would you think you’re on the side of “good”? Most people here would disagree.

          • Warmac9999

            That is exactly why you are a member of the lynch mob. Wake up did a great job by pulling from the Bible the story of the woman at the well.

          • WakeUp

            Christians who follow Jesus can know very clearly – from Matthew 25 – what God is doing in the world and what God is asking followers to do:

            34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

            37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

            40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

            These attitudes and behaviors toward others are a good instruction for knowing what God is doing in the world.

            It is clear that what God is doing is NOT a ‘tyranny’ of any sort. The image – from Jesus directly – is of finding a expansive and growing family – as Jesus reveals in Mark 3:35: For whoever does the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

            The Matthew 25 teaching reflects the same: that those who are doing what God is doing are no longer ‘strangers’/’strange to us’/’estranged from us’ but are as our brother, sister, mother. The teaching from this imagery of ‘God’s family’ is clear: treat God’s family as your family.

          • Warmac9999

            Isiah 5:20

          • Stephen Spiker

            There’s no length you won’t go to in order to legitimize your intolerance.

          • Bobby

            Don’t argue with him. It is akin to feeding a stray cat.

          • Warmac9999

            You probably think the Christian Crusades just popped up for no reason. At least that is what Obama would have you believe.

          • JayD

            Let me help you out – called the Old and New Testament, both written in antiquity. Both filled with verses easily twisted and interpreted & used to justify ‘unloving’ actions against our fellow man.
            The Quran, also written in antiquity, can be misused just as easily.
            Apparently, you do not understand how much I understand.
            Get out of your hateful hole and get a life.

          • Warmac9999

            Sorry, but there is no correlation between the Christian doctrine and the Islamic doctrine. The former is about the love of God. The latter is about world conquest and enslavement.

          • notjohnsmosby

            islam and Christianity are both Abrahamic religions, dipshit. The core doctrine of both religions is very similar.

          • Warmac9999

            As I as I said earlier, you do not understand the doctrinal distinctions because you chose not to do so. I looked up Army of God because I was intellectually curious. You, on the other hand, appear to have ignored my suggestions regarding Islam. You are stuck in your paradigm with no interest in escape.

          • notjohnsmosby

            Well, you’re old and will be dead soon. Let us know how it works out for you.

          • Warmac9999

            Better dead than red.

          • notjohnsmosby

            Just as long as you depart soon, you can be any color you want. I assume white.

          • Warmac9999

            You really don’t understand the meaning of the phrase, do you? Sadly, you will if things keep going toward ever greater socialism. Globalism and Islamization.

          • notjohnsmosby

            I certainly don’t know what you think it means. You seem to want to equate globalization – which is all about free markets, using cheap labor to build products for sale in rich countries, all of that conservative wet dream stuff – to communism, which is about as far from that ideal as possible. Throw in some religious hatred against your fellow believers in a monotheistic anthropomorphic god, which also has zero to do with communism, and I’m left wondering what the fuck you’re writing about. Other than it’s 4:00 PM and time to change your diaper.

          • Warmac9999

            Globalization is rebundled communism. It is about power – not about Liberty but about slavery. Islam is also about enslavement so it is not surprising that socialists and Islamists are fellow travelers.

          • notjohnsmosby

            So, so when US companies set up factories abroad and outsource major parts of their businesses to businesses in foreign countries, they’re secretly practicing communism?

          • Warmac9999

            Study Mussolini and fascism. The collusion between government and industry is among the first steps toward socialism and then communism. As a socialist, you cannot have a successful society built on capitalism, aka, individual freedom. You want ever bigger government and ever more people dependent on government.

            Excessive regulation by government is part of the plan to level world societies – and misery is the outcome, see Venezuela. I think Churcill once said something to the effect that capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings and socialism is the equal sharing of the misery. (I find it interesting that businesses and wealthy individuals are leaving the USA for the same reason that they left Detroit.)

            Thus back to my comment “better dead than red”. Or, to put it another way, better to die fighting than to submit to slavery.

          • Stephen Spiker

            When he dies, his tombstone will read:

            “HERE LIES TOM.

            MAN, HE REALLY HATED MUSLIMS.”

          • notjohnsmosby

            Also,

            “HE THOUGHT HE WAS A CHRISTIAN, JOKE’S ON HIM”

  • Lori Carlson

    I guess the author of this post can join arms with ISIS to help behead Freddy for exercising his right of free speech.

    • Warmac9999

      The problem with modern liberalism is that only favored voices are allowed to be heard. There are many who chose to ignore the political, legal and militaristic activities of historic and modern Islam, and they endanger the very Bill of Rights they espouse in doing so.

      Islam is not some warm and fuzzy religion regardless of attempts to make it appear so.

    • The right of free speech does not come with the right to avoid criticism of your free speech.

      • Lori Carlson

        As long as that criticism does not include beheading we should be fine. Unfortunately, this Religion of Peace does not recognize our right to free speech.

        • I hope that the Panic Room in your house is very comfortable.

          • Lori Carlson

            Bruce my friend, you know nothing about me. I MARRIED a muslim from Jordan. I don’t need a panic room. I know exactly what I am talking about from personal first hand experience. Go ahead and stick your head back in the sand.

          • Just because I don’t know you doesn’t mean that I can’t mock you for your generalizations.

          • Lori Carlson

            Of course you may mock whomever you like. Very mature of you.

          • Warmac9999

            I had a neighbor who married an Iranian Muslim and had two sons by him. He went back to Iran and demanded she follow with the boys in tow. She did not leave America because she knew what would happen. The fools who post here haven’t bothered to do the hard work of understanding what we face. They ignore the realities of European Islamization and the globalist open border debacle here in America.

          • “The fools who post here…” Not going into my credentials, but this endorsement is all I could ever hope for. Thanks, Warmac9999!

          • Warmac9999

            I wasn’t referring to you. However, if you believe it appropriate so be it.

          • WakeUp

            WE agree – to this point – that the country, its leaders – at local, state, federal, national and community levels – have poorly educated all of us – who are a long time here, and newly arrived – about the Constitution, civil discourse, civic duties, rights and constraints on rights … all of which are part of our heritage, of which to be proud, be patriotic, and to protect. We must all learn better to be PATRIOTIC: i.e. to truly respect and deeply admire the heritage that has been laid before us, which include the Founders of all our liberties, not just the flawed Washington, Jefferson and Madison, but also the flawed Lincoln and Sojourner Truth, the flawed Roosevelts (Teddy and Franklin) and other presidents 20th century presidents and their spouses, the flawed Martin Luther King Jr and Henry Ford, the flawed Harry Flood Byrd and Douglas Wilder, etc.

          • How did you escape alive?

          • Lori Carlson

            Brian, someday I will buy you a beer and tell you the whole terrifying story if you care to know it. I will just say I escaped alive only by the grace of God and restraining orders. It is not a joke and it is not funny. You gentlemen all have a nice day.

          • notjohnsmosby

            Why did you marry a muslim in the first place? Sounds like you need a conservative lesson about self responsibility.

          • Warmac9999

            You apparently think all Muslims cannot be trusted. Interesting in light of your myriad of comments. Lots of non-Muslim women got fooled by the internationalist agenda of the “we are the world” leftists. Lori found out the hard way that the foundation of Islam is quite a bit different than the constitutional foundation of the American republic. I believe Churchill in his book “River Wars” said it quite well and it is a shame that we ignore, at our peril, his warning.

          • Warmac9999

            And, I hope, a conceal carry weapon of your choice. Restraining orders only stop those who abide by the law and far too many women learn that as their last lesson.

          • Warmac9999

            A very good question. And one with a lot of implications.

          • notjohnsmosby

            So your anger is primarily that you never moved up the ladder in the harem to become the favorite wife? Try harder next time.

        • notjohnsmosby

          So, who exactly doesn’t recognize your right to free speech? I don’t have any restrictions on mine, why do you think you have restrictions on yours?

        • Warmac9999

          Or, for that matter, the entirety of The Bill of Rights which protect us from the federal government.

    • I didn’t realize that criticism of someone else’s speech is suddenly the equivalent of beheading them. Nor did I realize that the first amendment applied to non-governmental actors.

      • Warmac9999

        Your first sentence is exactly the issue – somehow you missed Charlie Hebdo? The murder of Theo Van Gogh? The various Fatwah against anyone who draws a picture of the prophet?

    • Scout

      That sounds a bit extreme, Lori. We could just settle for calling the man an ignorant, black-hearted fool whose lack of common sense about what he says in public makes him a tool of political opponents of Republicans and, of greater concern, a pawn enemies of the United States. I think the post sort of did that.

  • Downstater

    But we don’t have to let them in to begin with. No where in the Constitution does it say that we have to let in those who may wish to do us harm. In fact, for many years, there were quotas.

    • Warmac9999

      Actually there is a law that allows the president to ban immigration. It was passed by the Congress in 1952 and its primary sponsors were Democrats.

  • Downstater

    “Faith is not something to be foisted on another…” – well, what would you call it when a specific religion’s doctrine calls for slaying the infidels where one finds them. Furthermore, what would you call it when many adherents to that faith don’t just pay lip service to 7th century ideas of justice, but actually go and practice it here in the West?

    • Stephen Spiker

      What do you call people who blow up abortion clinics or shoot up black churches in the name of God? More importantly, how do you treat the rest of adherents of that faith? Do you lump them all together and make blanket judgments? I guess for you it depends on their skin color.

      • Warmac9999

        You have just lumped them all together. What you consistently refuse to accept is that the Christian foundation is love while the Islamic foundation is hate. And, once again, your racist outlook is on display. J’accuse Accuse’

        • Stephen Spiker

          Warmac, I have consistently advocated for individualism and you have consistently advocated for labeling 1.6 billion people our sworn enemies based on the actions of the very few.

          You treat white criminals as individuals and dark-skinned criminals as emblematic of their race/heritage/culture. I treat them all as individuals and you laughably somehow claim I’m anti-white or anti-Christian? You are old and ridiculous.

          • Warmac9999

            I didn’t know the Boston Bombers were dark skinned. News to me.

            I have consistently labeled Islam as a danger to our Constitution and very specifically to our Bill of Rights. You have yet to explain how sharia law and the constitution are compatible – and you can’t because they aren’t. A caliphate is not consistent with any ideas contained within the Constitution.

            You want to ignore Islam and its enculturation practices by hiding behind individualism. This is the hate the sin, love th sinner argument that tries to separate the sin from the sinner as if they were two distinct things.

          • JayD
          • Warmac9999

            Did you actually read the article? The first sentence states that sharia is islam’s legal framework. The rest of the article is somehow intended to make the opening sentence less unconstitutional. Wow!

          • JayD

            Wow! You didn’t make it past the first sentence; no surprise there.

          • Warmac9999

            Abdul Wahi. HMMMM!

          • JayD

            Donte Island – convicted drug dealer. HMMMMM!

          • Warmac9999

            You just can’t say it, can you. There is a cop in critical condition having been struck by seven bullets and you have to play the diversion game. And, by the way, I did make it past the first sentence and gave you my impression of the rest. You, on the other hand, never once responded to my suggestions regarding political Islam or the Islamic crusades. What are you afraid of? Apparently the uncomfortable truth.

          • JayD

            Say what?
            Donte (aka Abdul) is a dirtbag – convicted drug & firearms dealer serving (until recently) a 15 year sentence in federal penitentiary. Cops were looking for him because his parole officer requested the arrest and revocation hearing.
            Those are pertinent facts.

            Donte also enjoys long walks on the beach, puppies, Captain Crunch cereal and is Muslim.
            Those are irrelevant facts.
            Let it go Warmac, let it go.

          • Stephen Spiker

            Hate is a hard thing for people to let go, particularly when they’re older. All we can do is have faith that newer generations will learn from their intolerance. Fortunately, history suggests progress on that front.

          • Warmac9999

            You have learned nothing from history and that is the problem. Ever read the old testament. The people kept repeating their mistakes over and over. From bondage to freedom and back again. Each generation slipping into old destructive patterns. Well, we are doing exactly the same thing and just like prior generations we will have to learn the hard way.

            The tyrants of the past took advantage of the ignorance of the youth and pitted the youth against their elders and their parents. You mistake advice for hate. Well, frankly, scarlet, I don’t give a damn except that you are going to,get a lot of people killed because of your stubbornness.

          • Stephen Spiker

            “You mistake advice for hate”, except that your advise IS to hate. Just hate and fear, hate and fear. They’re different, they’re not like us, they’ll destroy us. Hate and fear.

            It’s an old tune, and certainly one the younger generations have had their eyes opened to. We’ve seen the the Two Minute Hate disguised as a political rally. At this point, I don’t give a shit how scared you are. It’s just wrong, and being old isn’t a valid excuse.

          • notjohnsmosby

            Do you happen to know if Tom went to a segregation academy as a kid? That would explain a lot if he came from that type of twisted background.

            Or maybe he’s just an asshole all on his own.

          • Warmac9999

            I lived in the North and worked in a shipyard. My first two bosses were black men. You, on the other hand, are an idiot

          • notjohnsmosby

            Ah, so you’re a racist by choice, not by upbringing. Good to know.

          • Stephen Spiker

            I’ve found that it’s typically a learned behavior. Not always, though. Sometimes people are just the completely unskeptical type to be easily whipped up into a fervor by conspiracy-peddling websites and forwarded emails.

          • notjohnsmosby

            That explains the constant references to European “no-go zones”, Islamaphobia, hatred toward immigrants, etc. All paranoid conspiracy theory crap.

          • Stephen Spiker

            Somehow I don’t think the Tsarnaevs of Kyrgyzstani-descent would be welcomed by your local white power club.

            I don’t think Sharia law is compatible with the Constitution, but that doesn’t really matter. The Constitution protects the rights of all, even if they are adherents to religions that have a set of laws onto their own, like Islam, Judism, or Christianity. We’re not allowing caliphates into our immigration system; we’re allowing individuals.

            There’s no such thing as “hiding behind individualism”, Tom, and if you weren’t an avowed collectivist you’d know that. Either you believe in individualism and personal responsibility or you don’t. You’ve made it clear that you do not. You are a collectivist who hates the sin and the sinner alike, because all you can do in your old age is be hateful and resentful. Your time is up soon, though.

          • Warmac9999

            There will come a time when you cannot hide from reality. You can see it happening across the pond in the Western European nations. Individuals do not exist independent of their culture no matter how much you wish they did. Elites like Merkel and Cameron are facing the very reality that multiculturalism is not merely a failure. It has substantive consequences that damage their societies and citizenry. I wish Islam was compatible with Western civilization but it is not and the result is either war or surrender. I suspect that you prefer the latter as that is always the easiest in the immediate.

            Here is my prediction for you. If Trump is not elected, we will continue to see Islamic attacks and some will, unfortunately, be very severe – and in the hundreds if not thousands of lives lost and damaged. Worse, Europe will fragment, it’s borders will be closed, and civil war will break out between the native populations and the no-go zone inhabitants.

          • notjohnsmosby

            A time might come, it might not. The one good thing is that you’ll be pushing daisies in few years, and no one will have to listen to your paranoid, racist rants.

          • Warmac9999

            And deep within the recesses of your mind will come the words he was right. And they will be repeated over and over again. That is the revenge that the truth brings with it.

          • Stephen Spiker

            “Individuals do not exist independent of their culture”, you say. And if one’s culture is deemed inferior by you, well, then I guess that individual is deemed inferior as well. On a registry they go! And I suppose a concentration camp or a ghetto can’t be too far behind. After all, you said this is war! People who are different are the enemy! Hundreds of thousands of lives are at stake! What use is the Constitution in the face of such peril?

          • Warmac9999

            The government of Hawaii just put all their registered gun owners on a federal registry. They are treating said gun owners as criminals before the fact. Woodrow Wilson and FDR both put American citizens in concentration camps. Every major city has a ghetto. Some are economic and some are ideological.

          • Stephen Spiker

            It makes sense that you’d use FDR and Wilson as examples to support your policies, given that you are as much of a collectivist as they are.

            I’m just glad you’re not pretending to believe in individualism anymore. Tearing down your charade was getting tiring.

      • Leon Wilkeson

        Stephen, I really don’t think that legitimate criticism of Islam should ever be equated with racism. That’s a favorite move of the regressive left. They’ve used the word racist so many times to stifle/prevent the exchange of ideas that the word has lost any and all effectiveness. I’m not saying you’re an illiberal SJW, I’m saying that you’re better than that. Knee jerk false moral equivalences are the self-flagellation of the left. I can be as critical as anyone about Christianity, but it really isn’t the issue right now. If I felt like there were millions of Christians that wanted to either slaughter me or force me to live in an LDS cult with Warren Jeffs, then I’d be raising hell.
        If you tactlessly throw out tweets reading “F them damn moozies”, then you’re a dumbass and need to be exposed as such. But that still doesn’t mean it’s racist. If you said “all Kurds are idiots, thieves and charlatans,” that would be a racist comment.
        The fact is that there are pluralities of Muslims in many parts of the world that hate the west, hate secular democracy, don’t give a damn about living a better life and the American dream, think that suicide bombing is a surefire way to paradise, believe that Jews are the product of the devil, want to wipe Israel off the map, truly believe that adulterers should be stoned to death, and think gays should be executed without exception.
        Instead of coming up with “yeah, but Christians,” maybe we can at least acknowledge thsee facts and stop with the moral reletivism. That doesn’t mean we need to inter US muslims, nuke the middle east, or anything of the sort. It means that we need to be vigilant, be educated on subjects when we decide to speak publicly about them, exercise tact, and protect our nation. We don’t have to act like redneck morons, but we don’t have to open the gate and invite in thousands of people knowing that there is a dangerously high percentage of people amongst them that believe it’s the will of God and a ticket to paradise to fly planes into buildings. The response to, “hey there are terrorist sleeper cells all over the country,” shouldn’t be, “yeah, but remember that abortion doctor.” More than anything it sure as hell shouldn’t be **gasp** “you’re a racist! Where’s my safe space? You should wear a hair shirt and atone for your sins at the altar of political correctness.” As we already established – it’s a weak and worthless accusation.

        • Warmac9999

          Well said. Thank you.

        • Stephen Spiker

          I don’t agree that a “plurality” of Muslims are threats. Moreover, the “dangerously high percentage” is also bunk. I appreciate that you’re trying to soften the tone by allowing for some gray areas and give-and-take. It’s smart. But you’re still not moving the goalposts close enough to reality for this to be a serious conversation.

          Finally, my comment about skin color was a particular response to Downstater who, like Warmac, has professed in other conversations to believe in individualism and personal responsibility when it comes to things like gun control or certain mass shootings, but are willing to believe the worst things about Hispanics and Muslims and cast individualism aside. Warmac in particular has said that individuals don’t matter when it comes to cultures he finds inferior.

          I appreciate what you mean about overusing the term racist, but in this situation I said what I said for a purpose and its well-justified.

          • Leon Wilkeson

            http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-religion-and-politics/#concerns

            Pew has done a great job of breaking down the attitudes and beliefs of the citizens of Muslim-majority countries. Some of it is very encouraging, some of it is scary . Even if the percentages seem low for certain things like suicide bombings against civilians, in countries like Pakistan and Egypt, you’re talking tens of millions of people. Again, I’m not saying we need to carpet bomb Cairo or round up US citizens who are muslim and put them in camps. I just don’t think we should be willfully blind to would-be terrorists for the sake of being PC. If a suspicious person or incident is reported to the authorities and despite the chance that it’s legitimate, they choose not to investigate because the optics of the situation go against their PC sensibilities, then they have blood on their hands.

          • Stephen Spiker

            The problem with relying on the Pew survey is that you open the door for other scientifically conducted polling on the issue, like the one done by Gallup:

            http://www.gallup.com/poll/148763/muslim-americans-no-justification-violence.aspx
            .

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