Updated: Steve Waters to join Allen U.S. Senate campaign
By JR Hoeft | Wednesday, April 27th, 2011 | Politics
Social conservative stalwart and consultant to Delegate Bob Marshall, Steve Waters, will be announced this afternoon as the latest hire by the George Allen campaign, sources confirm.
Waters, who is known for his advocacy for both social and fiscal conservatives, is a strong signal to social conservatives that Allen is taking their support very seriously.
Waters is a well known pro-life and pro-family conservative with a wide following, and seen as one of the primary founders of the Tea Party movement in Virginia. Waters headed the Marshall for U.S. Senate campaign in 2008, nearly toppling former Governor Jim Gilmore for the GOP nod, as well as working with the Virginia Conservative Action PAC (VCAP) challenging pro-tax Republicans after the 2004 Chichester tax hike.
Allen’s announcement of Waters coming on board follows the staff appointments of well known Virginia figures such as Mike Thomas, the architect of Allen’s 1993 gubernatorial bid.
The move is likely to send shockwaves throughout the Radtke campaign, who has been fending off criticism from social conservatives.
Conservative media mogul Timothy Donner recently announced his bid for U.S. Senate as well, indicating Radtke is not demonstrating to conservative deep pockets that she is the one to offer a credible challenge to Allen from the right.
This is the clearest indicator yet that it is not likely Marshall, who came within one delegate vote of being the Party’s nominee in 2008 against Jim Gilmore, will be entering the U.S. Senate race.
UPDATE: Below is a statement from Steve Waters on his appointment as Family Policy Advisor to George Allen:
It is with great pride that I join George Allen’s campaign for the U.S. Senate as Advisor on Family Policy Issues.
The 2012 election is a turning point. The outcome in Virginia could decide whether America continues down a path of fiscal ruin, moral decline and infringement on the Constitution and our liberties. It will determine whether our children will be burdened with a mountain of debt or enjoy a future of prosperity, and whether we as a nation uphold our enduring values of life, family, freedom and faith.
Moreover, this election will not be easy. Tim Kaine, former Governor and Democratic National Committee Chair, is the presumed nominee of the Democrat Party. He is an extension of the policies of President Obama, which do not represent our Nation or Virginia favorably.
At this critical juncture, we, as Republicans need to unite behind the strongest candidate we can field for the U.S. Senate. We need a proven social, fiscal and Constitutional conservative with a record of leadership and electoral success.
As an elected leader, George Allen has led on issues such as parental notification of abortions for minors, banning of partial birth abortions and many other issues. And with my appointment as Family Policy Advisor, Governor Allen is demonstrating that his commitment to our values is for the future as well. He will be a champion for Virginia families in the Senate, fighting for policies that empower parents, protect our children and promote life.
I look forward to working with Governor Allen and his team to get out the word about his unquestioned commitment to Virginia values, as well as to engage Virginians throughout the Commonwealth to the strengths and principles of the Republican Party, which helped forge a great Nation. I am excited about being a part of a massive grassroots campaign for our children’s future. We can stand in Victory together or lose divided. With so much at stake, there is not a moment to lose, and I encourage my fellow pro-family conservatives to join me in closing ranks behind George Allen today.
Quite the call for unity, and clearly heartfelt.
Speaking about Waters joining his team, Governor Allen said:
“Steve Waters is an outstanding addition to our energetic campaign team. To win this pivotal election in 2012 and bring the voices of Virginians to the U.S. Senate, we must unite, welcome and enlist the help of millions of Virginians who share our values, and who want to make a real change in Washington and improve the opportunity for Americans to achieve their dreams.
“Steve’s experience in organizing and educating grassroots activists will be valuable to our grassroots insurgency as we take our positive, motivating message to men and women throughout Virginia. Susan and I are grateful that Steve is joining as a leader on our team.”
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54 Responses to "Updated: Steve Waters to join Allen U.S. Senate campaign"
Now this news comes as a complete shock. Be it for better or worse, perhaps Mr. Waters is not the person that I thought he was. Should be interesting to hear the reaction on this matter.
This looks like Marshall isn’t going to run. As much as I feared what I thought was an impending run by Bob Marshall, I never criticized Steve Water’s support for him. Bob Marshall is a man of principle. I will always respect that.
This is good news for the Radtke camp, but I and a lot of people will find great disappointment with Steve Water’s decision.
In other BREAKING NEWS, or are you not posting because you still don’t believe the president and the readers on this site still wont believe it?
ToR – Or we haven’t really cared about the whole “birther” nonsense in the past so why would we start now? Not speaking for all contributors, but who cares?
Ditto on the birthers. Never gave a damn… at least not as much as some liberals do/did.
I don’t think there’s any surprise here that there has been a very clear divide between Tea Partiers who are social conservatives, and Tea Partiers who are libertarians. If “personnel is policy” (and it is) then this is a massive coup for GFA and a clear sign he’s not going to slouch.
Great respect for Steve Waters and his commitment to conservative values in Virginia… long before it was popular to be a “Tea Party conservative” it was folks like Steve who carried the torch.
Interesting to see the reaction from self-proclaimed Tea Party leaders… I guarantee you Jamie wouldn’t and doesn’t share those hateful thoughts.
Hold on folks. Not so fast. I am “the other guy” who has been working closely with Bob Marshall over the last year and a half. This defection of Steve Waters has nothing to do whatsoever with whether or not Bob Marshall will enter the race. I have not yet spoken to Steve about this and thus do not know his mind, but I know he has children to feed and this is his line of work.
And I know the fact is that Bob Marshall has his reasons for not yet entering the race and I know what they are. This is not one of them. This nomination race is an awful long way from over, and I suggest you keep an eye on Marshall over the summer. Some of you may yet remain to be surprised.
As for Steve’s true motivations, you will have to ask him, as I shall.
Bob’s got a tough district… he’s got to re-introduce himself to 2/3rds of his constituency. Tough hand, and I can totally understand why Marshall would focus on his re-election rather than take the shot for 2012.
Jeepers Shaun, I know you probably think you’re being subtle, but could you shill for Allen a little softer please?
Ciao.
With each passing week things are looking worse for Radtke.She might want to quit before she makes a fool of herself.
Shaun, you are full of it. There is not a divide. We’ve been working hand in hand for years. Precisely why you see guys like me CONTINUALLY giving praise to men like Ken Cuccinelli and Bob Marshall. I also think very highly of Mike Prunty, btw. Ron paul is Pro-life.
For Mike, I apollogize if I jumped the gun on that (Marshall’s candidacy). You have to admit, this shocking move by Steve Waters could reasonably lead one to think Marshall made a decision not to run and thus Waters went elsewhere. Bob Marshall deciding not to run was the only thing I thought would lead to something like that. Surely, you and Bob will understand that. Now, I stand corrected. If it is due to a fiscal need, I should try my best to get over the defection to Allen. Maybe I am being harsh there. I do try to give consultants a pass for being inconsistent. Sure, it looks unethical to the laymen, a bit mercenary, but you’re right. We all have to feed our families. I see consultants like I see lawyers. They do have clients and they do deserve excellent representation. A definite boost to Allen, but not that much a harm to Radtke. Marshall entering the race will be a bigger threat.
Mike, let me assure you, that I will not be attacking Bob when he enters the race this summer. He is a man of principle and would also be far better than Allen. I feel a strong Marshall candidacy would end up giving the race to Allen, but I won’t have the fire in the belly to attack Marshall. Our largest issue today is fiscal in nature. Either Radtke or Marshall would vote the right ways there.
@ all the George Allen spin artists:
I still will be supporting Radtke, another social conservative. She is unabashedly Pro-Life, against legalizing drugs, and against gay mariage. Yet, Shaun, a lot of libertarians support her.
Really, you guys are full of it! I mean that seriously. Some of you are out right liars. You explain why Robert Dean sent out email to his lists inviting them to an event featuring Bob Marshall in Virginia Beach!! This was not during a Libertarian meeting, but Robert Dean is the chairman of the Tidewater Libertarian Party. Explain how Reid Greenmun, another Libertarian (also having social conservative leanings)many here like to bash, is supporting socially conservative Radtke. The fact is, there is uneasiness within libertarian & Tea Party circles because many are torn between Marshall and Radtke. The commonality is they can’t stand the thought of another George Allen failure.
Really, if you want to be pro-Allen and spin a little,fine. However, this “split” your are trying to MANUFACTURE is crap!
Look, I may aggressively go after arguement. I do at times find myself strongly at odds with the opinions of some of the contributors here. (often I agree, just saying) I even defend contributors against absurd unfounded accusations of racism. Even if I was only days before locked in a disagreement. So, it is not at all lightly that I say that this crap about some divide, is being manufactured. It is not without pause, that I say that some of you are SO transparently full of it, that you might ought to be called a liar.
J.R., I respect your right to favor Allen, but I even question you assertion about social conservatives finding issues with Radtke. She is more socially conservative than George Allen. I don’t recall her ever stating that she was “moderate” on abortion. You can cite whatever rating, but George Allen said that. Do cite where social conservatives are taking her to task for issues relating to social conservatism. Being in the tank for George Allen can just mean they are establishment as well as being social conservatives. That does not establish a causal link between social values and Radtke criticism.
As before, Britt — I am convinced that Jamie has none of the outright hate you hold for social conservatives like Ken Cuccinelli and Bob Marshall.
SHAME ON YOU. And shame on you for attacking Steve Waters as you’ve done. SHAMEFUL!!! Please don’t trash Jamie by associating yourself with her — I am beyond certain she neither condones your tactics or your hateful attacks on great pro-lifers and pro-family activists.
Shame on you, Britt. Absolutely disgusting behavior on your part. I hope you have the integrity to both apologize and edit out your disgusting comments.
rtwingtroll –
Fair enough, but I’m a little tired of the libertarians walking all over social conservatives and getting a free pass… the Randians can walk for all I care.
…and when you get to folks blasting Steve Waters as a turncoat, I got a problem with that as well.
Shaun, you may be fighting an old battle, I dunno as I don’t read here much. But for this thread you sound like a full-on nut, and nothing Britt said bashes or hates anyone beyond general dislike of Waters joining the Dark Side aka The A Team.
Cheers.
You Shaun are a liar! You are the one who is shameful. I have supported Cuccinelli, gave him money at fund raiser hosted by Cary Nunnally and put a sticker on my car for him.
I did criticize Marshall on his DADT over reaction(my opinion), but I have repeatedly said good things about him. I do not hate him or any other social conservative.
You are the one that is disgusting for pretending to offer Radtke advice and care about her or her campaign.
You are a liar and an ass. I blogged on this site, on my facebook, and for the Cuccinelli campaign on the Libertarian site I sometimes contribute for. See below:
http://tidewaterliberty.wordpress.com/2009/04/17/ken-cuccinelli-fund-raiser/
How about this for supporting Cuccinelli Shaun?
“Libertarians and fiscal conservatives might want to know just who takes the Tea Party movement seriously. Just which candidates are fiscally conservative and don’t support all the wasteful federal spending and bailouts. Having been to the Tea Party in Chesapeake on June 26th, I can tell you that the ONLY candidate to have a booth there was Ken Cuccinelli, candidate for Attorney General.” – Britt Howard posted on Tidewater Liberty
or this?
Ken Cuccinelli, you are truly awesome! Already, you do Virginia and America proud! Between catching the Melendez loophole and this, Cuccinelli is just several steps above other elected officials. Also, a big thank you to everyone in the Va. GA that are making this step for freedom possible. – Britt Howard
http://tidewaterliberty.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/cuccinellikavuto-forced-health-insurance-coverage-to-be-illegal-in-virginia/
Praise them when they’re libertarians and fiscal conservatives, gun ‘em down when they defend family and life.
Can’t have it both ways, Britt.
Sorry, the link for the Tea Party article was:
http://tidewaterliberty.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/which-candidates-take-the-tea-party-movement-seriously/
Now what? link to all the Bearing Drift posts I have put up?
rtwingtroll –
It’s an old battle… the Randians come and go, pat us on the back and ask why we haven’t done more when it comes to fiscal conservatism then ream us when it comes down to life and defending family…
Some folks just want to throw social conservatives out of the movement. Britt — to date — has proven himself here to be one of those guys.
Gave them money, blogged for them, which is labor, defend them against idiotic ad hominem and falsification of their stances, PUT THEIR BUMPER STICKER ON MY CAR, I had a yard sign and still have it in my attic, I put Cuccinelli on a Libertarian site without reservation.
I have never gunned down any of them. Even when I criticized Bob Marshall’s over reaction on DADT I stressed that I was a fan. I was even on the initial draft Bob Marshall FB page put up by Igor Prohorov.
You Shaun, are a liar.
With the original 9/12 Rally put on by FreedomWorks…Dick Armey/Matt Kibbe, etc…. Do we consider that the harbinger or beginning of the tea party?
Sorry, but anyone who considers themselves a Libertarian yet supports someone who is pro-life, anti legalization or drugs, and against gay marriage is NOT a libertarian, they are confused.
@ Shaun and Jason
While you two might not have been leading the charge certain posters and commenters weren’t exactly sitting this one out
http://bearingdrift.com/2011/04/16/arizona-may-require-birth-certificate-to-run/
http://bearingdrift.com/2011/04/22/dont-like-trump-blame-christie/#comment-61061
But sorry for changing the subject of the threat. I’ll let you all get back to discussing the inside movements in the Republican Senate Nomination something I really don’t know about and enjoy the commentary on, genuinely.
Given that Waters worked for Bob Marshall, the sponsor of Virginia’s so-called “marriage amendment,” and that George Allen voted for the malodorous Federal Marriage Amendment in 2004, I hope that Steve Waters will take his role as “Family” Policy Advisor seriously. Snicker.
*thread
I do have to point out an exception. I did go after Bob McDonnell for HRTA ruthlessly(not a social issue) and his steadfast pursuit to make sure people engaging in oral sex were under law, unconvicted felons if they weren’t caught and convicted. (technically a social issue)
Sorry, Shaun, thinking what my wife and I do in our own home is sinful is your choice. Making it illegal is another matter. That I do take seriously, and he was often mocked by fellow Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and the press for it. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, Shaun.
I do support him now. Bob McDonnell’s record is a positive one. i will not apologize for supporting Republicans I agree with. I can support who I want, when I want. You are nobody to tell ANYONE who they can support or how.
I admit this freely, because unlike you Shaun, I try my best to be honest. Maybe I should back up my words and link to an article I put up praising Bob McDonnell on his privatization idea for ABC?
http://tidewaterliberty.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/gov-bob-mcdonnell-on-abc-give-him-credit/
“I’d like to quote what I saw in the Virginian-Pilot when they reported of his acceptance speech upon winning the governor’s race.
“”McDonnell, a former attorney general and state delegate from Virginia Beach, thanked those who supported him and offered an olive branch to those who didn’t.
“For those of you who did not support me, I say to you, give me a chance to earn your trust and work with you for the betterment of the commonwealth of Virginia,” he said.
“”
You have had your chance Mr. Governor, and you have earned some trust and respect. I do believe you have done a good job thus far. Your position on ABC is just another example of why credit must be given. If you continue down this path, Virginia will be the better for it.
- Britt Howard ”
I will again go on record as saying that Bob Marshall has done a good job as Governor. I give credit where due. I didn’t agree with everything. He even backed off too far on ABC privatization. I did criticize that, but I never dogged him for straying. That disagreement did not change my over all view and I still am on record as to his job performance. He has been good for Virginia.
ToR,it is a bit pretentious for you to say who and who is not a Libertarian. Do you consider Ron Paul a libertarian?
I understand your arguement. It is like the arguement by by some anarchists that will refuse to support tax reform that is infinitely better than what we have now, because they would see that as a moral straying from their belief that no taxes can be supported.
I do not share that view. I am willing to support improvement and not make the perfect the enemy of the good.
That means that I look at the big picture and the high and low points of candidates. I don’t see too many pure Libertarians out there, do you? Let me know, I’ll vote for them! That means I am willing to vote for someone that doesn’t agree 100% with me.
You, I am sure recognize what a bad shape America is in financially. You may on principle sit out this election, I will fight to get good people elected to fix it before it is too late. I am willing to look past a few disagreements.
Lastly, since I am a Libertarian, I don’t care what names are hurled at me, I will support those I choose to. Because I want to. Not because of what Shaun says or you say.I reject your suggestion that I am confused because I support some Republicans. I say you are mistaken there, because I am free to do that too.
@ToR –
Very fair point. Curse you for bringing reality into our conversation!!!
*shakes fist*
…still doesn’t mean that these self-styled libertarians have the foggiest clue. I disagree strongly with the LP on abortion, drug legalization, etc. Ergo, not a Libertarian.
Conservative best sums up my political philosophy (Aristotelian probably more so) — and Catholic humanism in the best of the scholastic tradition best sums up my worldview and moral outlook. That means things… but it doesn’t mean I get to play cafeteria intellectual when one says they are a conservative, liberal, libertarian, etc.
No, I’m usually on the other end of the spectrum politically so you can guess who I’ll be voting for. However, I did like Ron Paul’s message last time around. I don’t know if he’s a libertarian but he certainly has that streak in him and his votes back him up in that regard. His son on the other hand I’m not a fan of.
My whole issue is that I just don’t understand people who call themselves libertarian/small government but when it comes to drugs, sex, abortion, etc. then they’re all for big government telling people what they can and can’t do.
If you’re libertarian, I disagree with you, but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect you as long as you hold to your principles. Please don’t tell me you don’t want government regulating gas mileage but it’s OK to ban same-sex marriage.
I’ll never forgot how hard I laughed when I saw someone against the anti-gay marriage amendment tell a small-government type that they didn’t like the amendment because they’re against big government. There was no response, he just walked away.
It also ticks me off when people assume that its OK to leave the debt and lack of a social safety net to my generation. I’m in my 20s and had very little to do with this. If there is anyone who shouldn’t be receiving Social Security and Medicare it is the people who are going to be receiving it in the next 20 years. And the 14 trillion, how is that anyone younger than 30′s responsibility?
Wow. Is this the same Steve Waters that chewed out tea party leadership, and unsuccessfully tried to divide the tea party movement over the Tea Party Convention when George Allen was invited by Jamie Radtke to be on a panel discussion?
Is this the same Steve Waters that splits hairs over the definition of pro-life, but is now working for the guy who has stock in Barr Labs, the maker of the morning after pill?
Steve Waters is NOT one of the original founders of the tea party movement in Virginia.
Its it about a about paycheck, or is it about payback because Radtke ran for office instead of waiting on Bob Marshall?
George Allen’s spin about “Radtke losing social conservatives” is about as effective as his spin about being an “insurgent” candidate. Maybe he needs to go back to telling bad jokes about Billy Graham. (Search “George Allen blasphemous joke” on you tube. Yeah, that’s social conservatism for ya.
The gloves have definitely been off on this thread.
@Shaun and Jason, I just want to re-post a few of the comments in another thread before I go to bed. It wasn’t you, but there are a few crazies out there who still don’t believe it:
Tim J April 27, 2011 13:04 pm
I don’t know about the released birth certificate. One of my graphics guys brought up the pdf in Adobe Illustrator, separated the layers, and the green patterned background is a separate layer containing the lines, letters are missing from the text… i.e. “R” in “BARACK”, dates, certification signature, and many others which makes it look like a composite of a lot of different graphics components. Maybe we aren’t using Illustrator correctly, but if someone else could do this to verify what we are seeing, let us know where we are going wrong.
Valentinus April 27, 2011 19:01 pm
A military officer went to the brig all because the POTUS was playing some juvenile game. If there had at least been embarraasing info on the BC form there might have been an excuse for this infantile behavior from the Commander in Chief. Any normal person whatever they thought of the officer would have ended the matter before it began. Any normal person would have produced the form back in 2008.
All I can say is that the POTUS has disgraced the office with his behavior.
James “turbo” Cohen April 27, 2011 21:00 pm
And the WH admin may have embarrassed themselves.. looks like a politically correct forgery in many ways. In 1961 white people were typically identified as caucasian while black people were typically identified as black, negro or colored. No I am not making offensive statements, just reflecting on the norms of that era..
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=217398381606635&set=a.102863456393462.6016.100000094247661&type=1&theater
Also, the pdf is so easy to dissect even a 5th grader could do it..
This does not appear to be over.
People who are touting this as some kind of coup are either idiots, or huge idiots. This is George Allen buying someone off to keep from being a nuisance. Steve Waters is an embarassment.
First of all he’s a joke as a consultant and doesn’t have a strategic bone in his body. He ran a goddamn candidate against Bill Bolling for re-election. People forget that at the time, our 2009 success was in serious doubt and we needed to unite as a party, not go around acting like a bunch of retarded monkeys. That act alone should have gotten him black-listed from VA republican “consulting.” Forever.
Second of all, he was personally running the “anybody but Allen” (or whatever the hell it was called) campaign on Facebook for awhile. Has the whole world gone freaking insane?! All this does is prove that Allen has deep enough pockets to buy off anyone who he percieves to be a nuisance down the road. From that perspective maybe — MAYBE it’s a politically expedient move. But all it does is prove that Allen is willing to pay off agitators in exchange for their silence.
Please, please lock this guy in a closet and keep him as far away from the actual operations of the campaign as possible.
Tea Party leaders friendly to Jamie are already attacking Steve on other sites. Sad, really… probably exposes those supporters for who they really are.
Steve is a great conservative who has been in the trenches long before these AWOL libertarian types arrived on the scene. Long may you sit on the sidelines, fellas…
[...] word that domestic consultant Steve Waters, who played an instrumental purpose in Del. Bob Marshall’s [...]
No Shaun, Tea Party movement leaders and regular people who know Steve are exposing his record, his hypocracy and the fact that this blog is being used to carry water for California native Felix “Allen” Macacavich. This articled outed you guys, have no shame, yall are carrying water for the rpv rinocracy. The payoff is coming.. These are tough times, ad revenues won’t hurt.
This folks is establishment political action at work.. JR, with all due respects, yall are drifting off course.
[...] word that political consultant Steve Waters, who played an instrumental role in Del. Bob Marshall’s [...]
It was confusing to read that Mr. Waters was one of the primary Tea Party founders in VA, unless that was back when they first started, and were small and local. Since then the national libertarian Tea Party leaders have taken them over, and social issues are not on their agenda. They have silently called a truce on social issues, just as much as Mitch Daniels said it in public.
I am happy to know that George Allen has a social conservative on his team. I will do all I can in my area to help him get elected. He can beat Kaine like a drum.
ToR,
You birthers are impossible to convince, just like the 9/11 Truth Movement people are.
President Obama got the state of Hawaii to suspend their policies (perhaps even break the law) in allowing him to obtain a photocopy of the original documentation of his birth. What will make you happy?
Perhaps if Barack Obama takes Donald Trump down into the Hawaiian document vaults and has them open their records to the page of the document and allow him to look at him for himself? Would that be enough? Or will Obama have to provide snippets of the document for carbon dating testing like the Vatican allowed for the Shroud of Turin?
What amazes me is that our President has had to provide more proof then any other of our other citizens have to provide. Why? What he provided years ago would have been enough for any other citizen, but it was not good enough for him.
Our President, and the state of Hawaii, has bent over backwards to try and settle this silly contention.
What really concerns me is that polls showed just how many Americans were willing to believe our President was not an American citizen before this step was taken. These polls showed the extreme majority of those who held this belief were Republicans. This is not something Republicans can be proud of.
Steve Waters was tea party before the rest of you even showed up. He’s going to do great things. The enemy here is the Democrats and Kaine. A big hairy Tim Kaine unibrow curse on any of you for doubting Steve’s integrity and a double big hair Tim Kaine unibrow curse on you Karen Hurd… just because!
Hijacked.. Little David, This thread is about Steve Waters, not the most anti American president in our history.. That discussion is on another thread.
Turbo,
Why me? I didn’t hijack, I only responded to comments of others. Did you notice how long it took me to respond until AFTER it was hijacked?
Perhaps it is because you do not have a problem with the hijacker but have a problem with those of us who respond to the hijacking?
@ LD and Trbo,
Hey guys, I did the hijacking. Read my first comment and you can see how it got started. I’ve apologized but I had to given the irony of the original title: “BREAKING NEWS.” Sean and Jason pointed out that they didn’t really believe in the birther crap so my last comment was a few of the crazies out there. Those were not my words. I copied and pasted them from another thread. Again, sorry; re-read my first comment and you’ll see how it got started.
I stand corrected..
Back to the OP.. It is a pleasure to learn how many constitutional conservatives remain supportive of Bob Marshall and Jamie Radtke. My hat is off to both of them right now but especially the supporters from both camps.
If we are known by the company we keep, Jamie Radtke in Karen Hurd’s company ought to be known as a cheat and manipulator, and vice versa.
Karen is telling us her little tail of Steve Waters “chew[ing] out tea party leadership, and unsuccessfully tr[ying] to divide the tea party movement over the Tea Party Convention when George Allen was invited by Jamie Radtke to be on a panel discussion.” But, Karen knows that Steve Waters’ principal beef with Radtke at the convention was that she treated Bob Marshall there like sh-t and threw him under the bus, after she had used Bob in every way she could to build up her Tea Party credibility and credentials.
Is this the same Karen Hurd who tried to maniplate a Bearing Drift senatorial poll for Radtke by recommending to the VTPP leaderhip cronies of Jamie that the tea partries be prompted to vote for Radtke in order to boost up her poor showing against George Allen, but she did recommend that similar “help” be given by the Virginia Tea Parties to Marshall, whose name was on the same poll. Is this the same Karen Hurd who boasted on Facebook that the entire Tea Party movement will support Radtke for Senate, knowing that many tea partiers prefer Bob Marshall to Radtke, knowing he had done a great deal more for the movement than Jamie, who had worked the movement to work for her.
And what pay-back does Karen expect from Jamie should Radtke win? I can only imagine a line of Jamie’s cronies forming to cash in on their friendship with Jamie, but little do they know that rewords woudl come only to those Jamie will see as useful allies and idiots.
Steve did the right thing by joining George Allen. Should Ratke win, she will become even a greater distraction for the Tea Party movement than she has been. But even with the noblest of intentions she would be unable to steer the movement in the right direction, as she is clueless herself, and she would at best just continue with the old Republican game of attacking the symptoms of our problems, rather than the problems themselves.
Correction: ‘but she did recommend that similar “help” be given by the Virginia Tea Parties to Marshall”‘ should read “but she did NOT recommend … .”
Jacob, do not read this bud.. http://community.icontact.com/p/radtkeforsenate/newsletters/review-03-04-2011/posts/radtke-review-a-new-campaign-video-more-great-endorsements
James Turbo,
How’s your friend Buzz Lightyear doing?
Jacob, in some regards, I agree with you. There isn’t really much point in getting upset with Steve Waters. He’s a paid political consultant and he has to feed his family. I am sure he doesn’t always have the luxuary of backing his favorite.
I reacted to his move emotionally. I was a little shocked. I will not fault the guy for taking care of his family. I find it to be unfortunate he had to do this, is all. I don’t think it will serve anyone well by attacking him beyond the registering of initial shock. It is his job. People with jobs outside of politics, don’t understand that sometimes.
You do puzzle meon one point, Jacob. You said this was the right move. Why? Your post doesn’t seem to indicate a financial reason, rather an anti-Radtke one. that’s fine in itself, your opinion and all. The thing is a while back, I accused you of being a George Allen supporter and you denied that and made it look like you were pro-Marshall. Marshall according to Mike Prunty reacted strongly against the idea that Marshall won’t run. Have you Jacob, now gone to Allen’s side?
No, Britt, I have not gone to Allen’s side. You do not need to try to read into my messages. I do not play games, and if I had “gone to Allen’s side,” you would know this.
My first choice by far remains Bob Marshall. However, if he does not run and it appears that Radtke has a chance to win the nomination, as terribly busy as I am, I will volunteer to help Allen, even though the thought of aiding an establishment politician is otherwise uncomfortable to me.
So Jacob, its ok to admit failure to commander nebula, its gonna be ok for you space ranger.. No space ranger should have to work alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjuU9gywxFg
Watch your tail son
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Turbo,
I do not play with action figures anymore. But don’t worry, someone else will have some use for a “Turbolent” space cadet like you. I just wanted to know how your friend Buzz Lightyear is doing.
Yes, it’s all about the paycheck, and so-called principles be damned. Steve Waters took issue, rightly, with the favoritism shown George Allen by Jamie and the other organizers. Yet, somehow it’s ok that he sells his soul to someone whose political wrongs dwarf those of anyone else in the race. A lot of us thought we knew Steve Waters. We clearly didn’t.
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