Will Dems ditch Glenn Nye?
By Brian Kirwin | Friday, November 6th, 2009 | PoliticsThe White House says Creigh Deeds lost because he didn’t adhere to the Obama agenda. Democratic leaders opine that Deeds’ “I’m a Creigh Deeds Democrat” and his comments to “opt out” of national health care did him in. Democrat voters stayed home, they said.
Lefty bloggers are saying this is what happens when Democrats run candidates that are “Republican-lite.” Moderates have no home with Democrats, I guess. (Why does every majority do this?..that’s a whole other story!)
“I always thought the path to victory was to embrace the president and thereby energize the tremendous amount of supporters of the president in Virginia, particularly because it was going to be a low-turnout race,” Kaine said in an interview. (Virginian-Pilot)
Well, if adhering to the Obama agenda is the ticket to winning in Virginia, and opposing it leads to electoral losses, what will they do with Glenn Nye?
The Virginian-Pilot reported that Nye opposed Obama’s agenda about 25% of the time, opposed his budget, opposed cap and trade, and is very likely to oppose Obama’s health care bill, saying in today’s Virginian-Pilot that he’s “on the fence”.
Meanwhile, some Republicans think the best answer to that is to nominate an Obama supporter themselves. Imagine a debate between Scott Rigell and Glenn Nye over who supported Obama more?
The status quo seems like a Deeds rerun is in Nye’s future. Will Democrats take the chance of having Obama voters stay home next November too? Or will they ditch Nye, and tap someone like Joe Bouchard to step up.
Or, as one blogger wrote, is the GOP hoping for Nye to switch parties.
Of course, the GOP has blown golden opportunities before. It would require the GOP nominating someone who would turn off its own base as well and have the 2nd district do what it did in 1994 – lose while everyone else in the nation was winning. The anti-Clinton vote then was even stronger than the anti-Obama vote (Clinton never won Virginia) but we still managed to botch 1994.
One thing is sure. Democrats felt unloved by their recent slate of candidates, and felt unmotivated to help Creigh Deeds. Will Virginia Beach Democrats go through another year of that campaigning for Nye, who opposes most of what energizes Democratic activists even more than Deeds did?
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37 Responses to "Will Dems ditch Glenn Nye?"
Publius posted the below comment on bearingdrift.com on Nov. 4th, which I find relevant to this discussion;
“In 1994, we had terribly weak candidates. Our candidate for Senate was Oliver North, who was still tainted by Iran-Contra and extremely controversial. He was probably the ONLY Republican in Virginia that year who was less palatable to the voters than Chuck Robb. Our candidate against Owen Pickett in VA-2 was Jim Chapman, who was also a poor candidate with no experience in public affairs and an unappealing demeanor. In addition, VA-2 at the time still included all of Norfolk, which included a sizable black population who were reliable Democrat voters. Pickett was defending a more swing district than the current VA-2, which is much more Republican and would have been held by Thelma Drake last year but for the Obama tidal wave combined with a weak Republican presidential candidate for whom the party had no enthusiasm.
Next year we will have a stronger candidate in VA-2 in Scott Rigell, who will be running in a more Republican-leaning district. There will be no Senate election. I expect VA-2 to be part of the national Republican sweep.”
Nye’s middle name Carlyle, he’s related to Joesph Nye, and Eric Cantor is a Zionist Jew. One could speculate quite a bit on those three facts. Especially if you know what the Carlyle Group is…
Brian,
It’s quite clear who you don’t like. The only question is why? You seem to be alone in it….
The rest of the base loves people who are NRA members for life.
The rest of the base loves people who are pro-life.
The rest of the base loves people who are fiscally conservative.
The real base loves people who lead their family life by example.
The real base loves candidates who sign the no new taxes pledge.
The real base LOVES conservative candidates who have been there for other conservatives for the last 20 years.
I’m starting to think you might actually be a democrat yourself. Bashing real conservatives is not the way to go. Not now. Not when its our time.
vbfirstlanding76,
I should have read your comment before I posted mine! You’re absolutely right! People like Brian have no apprecation for accurately portraying history. Its terribly unfortunate.
Scott Rigell didn’t “support Obama” the way you and others are leading people to believe. He donated in the Democratic Primary to stop the Hillary Clinton express. He also was a maxed out donor to Mitt Romney and John McCain and every dime he donated in 2008 was to defeat a Democrat. Why don’t you talk about his extensive giving record to Republicans over the past 20 years? We should be thankful that successful businessmen like Scott have given financially to our candidates instead of accusing them of “buying the seat” and other complete nonsense.
Tons of Republican activists participated in the Democratic Primary by voting, even Rush Limbaugh encouraged conservatives to get involved as part of “Operation Chaos.” Are you going to disqualify every Republican activist who has ever gotten involved in a Democratic Primary from running for future office?
Here we go again. I’m a Democrat now?
This gets so funny!
Hey, the rest of the base didn’t write a check to Obama.
Reid, the difference is he donated to Obama. Every dollar helped him be elected president, therefore Rigell should not be the nominee.
I totally disagree and I think most voters will too.
You sound awfully anti-semitic there Max… so along with being a Political Mastermind, Druggie, and now you don’t like Jewish folks. I wonder if your mentor there Gary B. knows about you and what about you does he agree with?
Really to be honest flipping Nye would be the best thing. It would end any of the internal blood bath in our party which we don’t need right now or expose candidates who could have potential scandal in their background.
Notice the last name dummy? I’ve got plenty of Rabbis in my family. Zionism is separate from Judaism. Zionism is ultra-nationalism on par with the Nazi’s in WWII, it has to to with unyielding support for the state of Israel despite it’s well documented war crimes, espionage, violation of the NNPT, etc.. etc..
Semetic means middle eastern speaking, therefore anti-semetic means against people from the middle east , the fact that zionists at the ADL have tricked us into thinking it means anti-jew should speak for itself. AIPAC is the most dominant force in national politics. Rahm’s brother wrote the health care bill, Ari wields a huge amount of media power, while Rahm controls the White House.
Everyone should know how I feel about the crimes my people have committed against this world. I make no secret of it and there are none on this website or in this state could stand up to me for 5 minutes in a debate on Israeli influence on US foreign policy.
Read if you dare. You can’t delete me as your friend here, maybe you will have the courage to read the truth.
US/Israel in violation of Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty. Iran in full compliance.
http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2009m9d29-Irans-Nuclear-Program-Iran-in-treaty-compliance-USIsrael-lying-and-out-of-compliance
Wow… thats rather self hating I think.
First of all in my opinion if we just let Israel handle things like they really want to in the middle east we’d have a lot less trouble over there. Im sure they have maps showing Iran to be a new suburb of Israel which is really fine with me. The Israeli’s kill Arab terrorists dead what’s wrong with that… I find it a endearing quality personally.
and you know you can be anti-semitic and still Jewish. It may give you many more things to talk about with your shrink but its very well possible. Historically there were black officers in the Confederate army. Is what it is but still doesn’t make it right.
You are obviously too ignorant to comprehend the difference between anti-zionism and anti-”semetism”. A huge number of Jews do not support Israel and did not want it to be founded in the first place.
Back to the point; Nye’s father (I believe Joe Nye is his father, if not they are certainly related) is the founder of Neo-Liberalism and North American Chairman for the Tri-Lateral Commission. It would make sense for a known Zionist and internationalist like Cantor to want to protect the son of someone whose family is so powerful. The Carlyle group is a huge capital management fund invested in among other things; the arms trade, military industrial complex, Iraq, Afghanistan, nation building, etc.. etc..
Ahhh such conspiracies abound don’t they. Don’t you think the Trilats know you are here telling their dirt and might come after you?
No conspiracies, just overlooked facts. His middle name is a fact, you don’t get a middle name like that by chance. His last name is a fact, the odds of him not being related to that family are slim to none. Eric’s quick rise to power is also a fact. It is no coincidence that a Jewish Republican rose so quickly to minority whip and it is no coincidence all 8 media corporations are owned by Jews, that the White House is run by a Jew, and that the health care bill was written by another Jew. I’d be proud if all this stuff wasn’t total BS.
As for being afraid? Hardly, I’ve been saying this stuff for years. I’ve been made fun of, called crazy, but yet I have been right about it all. Care to check back the posts from last year when I said the dollar would soon collapse and be replaced? Everyone called me crazy, I even got banned from the blog. Seen the news lately?
Enjoy my ranting while it lasts, as soon as I start my next job I’m going to have to shut up again.
Yeah Yeah so how does your mentor Gary and his crew feel about your theories… Does Gary think Cantor to be a Zionist Internationalist?
Labeling Scott Rigell as an “Obama supporter” is a weak argument. I ask you all to analyze deeper as a historian would. If a historian was writing a biography on Rigell, after examining the totality of Rigell’s activism and political donations, there’s no way they would ever come to the conclusion that Rigell is an “Obama supporter”. Technically calling someone a “supporter” because they gave money could be deemed an accurate statement, but it’s a misleading and dishonest statement. Splitting hairs in a rhetorical argument is a tactic too often used in politics. The context of Rigell’s donation is never mentioned by people who use this approach. The real criticism of Rigell’s donation is that it was an ill-advised attempt to weaken Hillary Clinton, but trying to stamp him an Obama supporter rings hollow. We all remember Rush’s “Operation Chaos.” Conservatives were concerned with the Clinton’s taking control of the oval office again-not Obama-not at that point in the process. We should also recall the “Stop Hillary Express,” that Hannity trumpeted daily. Hillary was a very real threat to conservative activists when Rigell gave that donation. Not to mention the political expediency of the situation. This donation will help his candidacy win independent support in 2010. As difficult as it is for us conservatives to go against our altruistic dreams for political candidates, the political truth is that Rigell’s donation amounts to very little to the 1/3 of the electorate in the middle. This is the same 1/3 of voters we need to influence to beat Nye. Playing the “I’m the biggest conservative” game gets our party nothing, especially when the criticism of Rigell is put in context. So you’re wondering. “Then who represents the 1/3 of the electorate that is republican and/or conservative?”I can honestly say Rigell’s your man. He has an extensive track record of conservatism. If not for this check the problem Rigell would face in a general election is that he’s too conservative. Politics can be a funny thing sometimes. Finally, anyone who is under the suspicion that Rigell is an Obama supporter has never spoken to the man or seen his record of donating to republicans candidates. He’ll talk to anybody. Give him a call and you too will find that he is not an evil genius who has manipulated political donations for twenty years in hopes of one day supporting Barrack Obama-sounds silly doesn’t it? Simply stated this argument is poor political analysis.
HAHAHAHAHA – I laughed out loud at the comment that Brian is a Democrat, obviously you don’t read this very often nor have you ever met him…as for having a favorite in the 2nd district, he is a blogger – it is his job to stir the pot, especially in a primary where we are up to what 8 competitors?
If the only arguement that you have againist Scott Rigell is that he donated 1000 to Obama in the Primary but yet he has donated over 300000 to Republicans then that says alot about your candidate. I Dont want to hear what the oponent did I want to hear what your going to do to better our community and that why I support Scott Rigell for Congress. Scott has the proven leadership and fiscal responsibilty to stand up to “nancy and the gang”
Maybe Rigell’s check to Obama could be considered his own Cash for Clunker.
Careful what you wish for there are lots of rumors out there about ol Scott some of them Im sure are false but with that many rumors if any one of them are true then we are in deep trouble. Start looking at electability cause at the end of the day someone with great “principles” may not be the “right” guy. Do that for any candidate, Rigell, Loyola, Rosemary, and McWaters. Because remember you can’t govern if you don’t win.
Scott Taylor is the best fit to go up against Nye or anyone else the dems want to throw into the mix.
what rumors about Rigell?
Getting back to Brian’s point – if the Progressives are going to throw anyone under the bus because they don’t march lock step with the progressive-Socialist-Marxist agenda then why would they support Glenn Nye? He isn’t voting – or taking a strong “Progressive” position on Tax & Trade, Obama-care, and many other Progressive schemes.
Just as true Conservatives did not support RINO John McCain, and he lost – will the same fate await Glenn Nye?
Perhaps. But the issue is hanging in the balance depending on who the GOP leadership will manipulate the process to cornate they 2nd Congressional Distric GOP candidate.
If the GOP picks a cadidate that they feel will “attrack moderates and Democrats” then they will once again lose out because the true Conservatives will simply not SUPPORT another RINO.
Well said Kempsville Conservative!
Im not going to say more than that. Because rumors are just that rumors but I do fully support vetting candidates completely and fully before they become the candidate for the general election. None of them could be true at all and personally I hope not but… We all know perception is reality.
I say ditch Nye. A donation is a donation, Scott Rigell must support Obama or he wouldn’t have donated. I expect VA-2 to also be part of the National Republican Sweep but with Scott Taylor. He has supporters on all sides and is issue based, doesn’t just say what other politicians want him to say!! GO TAYLOR!!
Max is an absolute, self-hating jewish person. Time to ban him again. Max, you loser, Carlyle is no longer invested in defense companies. Look it up.
And to all others, accepting Nye or even talking about accepting Nye into the GOP is preposterous. We’ve already had a gay GOP congresman in VA-2. We don’t need another one. We can defeat this queer Nye and get a real Republican easily in 2010.
We should all be a part of vetting candidates not just a few who have heard said rumors. If there are serious issues to be addressed then address them. The check is a ridiculous argument against Rigell, but if there is something more deleterious to our party let it be heard. If there are unsubstantiated rumors then don’t repeat that there are rumors it implies something mendacious and amounts to salacious gossip. We don’t need another surprise revelation of a candidate when the ship is out to sea. If people have facts then let’s confront them head on. If there are rumors, then ask the man at the source and if he lies then he must be held accountable. This isn’t a difficult thing to do. We should expect more from our politicians and those expectations begin with us. Hold yourself accountable and hold your candidate accountable. You’ll find many Rigell supporters will back down if there is truth to the rumors; however, if there is just innuendo and slander then the field has no shot. Be careful in your speech. People will judge you by it.
Kerwin’s statement (written with a straight face I assume) that Rigell is an Obama supporter just guts his own credibility. By this reasoning, Kerwin would also write that “Rush Limbaugh is a Hillary Clinton supporter.” Come on Kerwin are you for real?
Scott Rigell has the name identification, financial support in the community, conservative credentials, grassroots support and drive to beat Glenn Nye.
Nye has got to be terrified of going up against a Scott Rigell who is known in the community, was only 1 of 5 Republican challengers nationwide to outraise an incumbent Democrat from individual contributors, Rigell is a solid conservative business leader with a winning message. If we want to win … I think the choice is obvious.
Benedict Arnold was a hero at Fort Ticonderoga, why don’t we have any statues of him at Yorktown?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/12/AR2006021200730.html
I don’t think Carlyle sold its stake in all these companies in the last 3 years, not when profits have soared. Why don’t you give me some proof Carlyle isn’t in the business anymore?
Max,
Carlyle makes there money off of American dominance in the world. Kind of a patriotic way to make a buck isn’t it. America is the only superpower left and nature abhors a vacuum so why not have America run the world. I find that to be pleasant thing if you ask me.
I don’t think the argument is proper to say Rigell is an Obama supporter. The real issue is his judgement. $1010 is not just chump change. Sure he has given to many republicans. The explanation has been an anti-Hillary one, but Rigell himself also state that he was inspired by Barack’s rhetoric. Link is below. His donations were doubled by himself. 130 individuals, 15 or more that our family and extended family, that were maxed out to 4800 dollars, half of that he can’t even use until a general. I’m sure he can raise plenty of money though. he was annointed by thelma, who was also annointed, and who also benefits financially fundraising for him. I want someone who will serve and sacrifice for me, not a handpicked guy who had to be talked into running.
check out Rigell’s response to his donation.
http://www.virginianewssource.com/editor/?p=369
Not sure I would vote for a guy just becuase he gives money over a 20 year period to Republicans. What has he done for the conservative cause in that 20 years? What has his standing been in the party itself, has he been a leader in the party or a johnny come lately, just because he wants to run for congress? I am not saying this to bash Rigell, who I am sure is a nice guy and succesful business man, but these are questions that need answers when I evaluate EACH candidate to give my support to.
It took less than two minutes to disprove Max’s theory that Carlyle runs the defense industry. From their corporate website:
http://www.carlyle.com/Portfolio/Industry/item8224.html
This is the list of their defense holdings. Piss-ant companies that are pointless to the global defense industry.
Max, shut the F up. You are a major goofball.
And yes, Max. The fact that Nye’s middle name is Carlyle is a coincidence. Not proof of some global plot to elect pro-Israeli sympathizers to Congress.
Perhaps try going skiing with Nye and Gary. I bet they’d love your two handed ski pole hj.
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