Elgendy: Burgos’ Comments Hostile To Inclusivity Within RPV’s State Central

My religion has never really been something I ever gave thought to when it came to my identity as a Republican, a Virginian, or an American.  There are, of course, the comments from my fellow Republicans, family members, and friends about the unusual decision I made to join the GOP, but I have never seen anything resembling discrimination.

However, that changed when I was made aware of tweets by Fredy Burgos, a State Central Committee member from the 11th Congressional District.

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According to Fredy Burgos, being a Muslim means you are a Nazi. I have heard a lot of crap interesting perspectives, but equating Islam to Nazism takes the cake. And while I’m no advocate for political correctness, this crosses a line.

Although I occasionally run into grossly misinformed comments on social media, they have never been from someone who is significantly involved in Virginia politics.  However, this is a clear violation of what the GOP stands for.  We cannot have our candidates advocate for religious freedom when a member of the party leadership is debasing an entire group.  This isn’t an issue solely on principle, but pretty bad strategy coming from one of the most Democratic and diverse districts in the Commonwealth.

As the first Muslim member of the RPV State Central Committee, I expected my experience to consist of contributing to the political climate of the Commonwealth. In my time being involved in the Republican Party, I have never felt alienated because I am Muslim.  My experience in the RPV has been quite the contrary, where I have been encouraged to be proud of my faith.  But now, I am facing apprehension of the intentions of my colleagues of what can only be classic ignorance.

We need leaders who continue to promote and celebrate the numerous ideas our party supports and champions including the first amendments respect of  freedom of Religion. All sides of the GOP are preaching for unity.  Unity means that we advocate inclusive, conservatives values that appeal to all types of people. Burgos’ comments take a huge step backward from the goal of the GOP.

With the incredibly cut throat environment of 2016 politics, we have all learned to watch our words carefully.  The RPV should hold its State Central members not only accountable for their actions, but hold them to a higher standard.

To my fellow State Central Committee members: please be mindful about the statements you make on social media and to the public. Although the intentions we have might be to represent ourselves our individuals, we signed up to be walking representatives of the Republican Party of Virginia the second we get elected into the party leadership.

To my fellow Republicans: don’t let the RPV turn a blind eye to bigotry.  Let your State Central representatives know that you do not tolerate prejudice in the Republican Party.


Nadia Elgendy is the 1st Vice Chairman of the College Republican Federation of Virginia.

  • Lee Pillsbury

    Nadia, I hope you move to have SCC censure him and repudiate these statements at today’s meeting.

    • Warmac9999

      Another charter member of the lynch mob speaketh. Burgos should at least be whipped for his political incorrectness. My goodness, why not go full ISIS on him and burn him in a cage or drop him off a tall building. Beheading, of course, would shut him up.

      • Lee Pillsbury

        After reading your crap the last 2 days I certainly understand the appeal that beheading people could hold. Not saying its right, just saying I understand.

        • Warmac9999

          Well of course you believe in shutting up people who take opposing points of view. The only difference between you and ISIS is that they are honest about it.

          • Stephen Spiker

            Well at least you’re being reasonable and not at all batshit insane about this.

          • Warmac9999

            I am always reasonable. The more reasonable I get the more I drive the PC crowd to distraction and insanity. Go Trump!!!!!!!!!

          • Stephen Spiker

            Pro-tip: the longer you wait to reveal yourself as a troll who doesn’t actually believe in anything, the more effective it is.

  • Scout

    How do people like Burgos get on State Central? I assume it’s because there are few people of quality and character interested in serving, but it is a really sorry spectacle. He’s not the only one who underwhelms. Sometimes State Central looks to me like a club for people who can’t join any other club. There have been and are some good people, but you’d expect the entire committee, from one end to the other, to be people of some talent or distinction.

    • This is what happens when you leave the decision over who should be in the party leadership to a handful of people who are willing to spend all day in a high school
      Auditorieum on a Saturday in spring.

    • David Eggleston

      The wingnuts have driven off most people of quality and character, and when they don’t, they do their best to limit the Party franchise.

      • Warmac9999

        The failure of the GOP elite is evident, and the screams of outrage from them is really interesting. Ah, people of quality and character have left because —————– they are people of quality and character who would rather turn their noses up than win elections. Poor show, old sport, and cheerio.

        • David Eggleston

          I want to thank you slime balls for taking up the slack. Y’all have no problem losing elections all on your own. Burn a few goats in front of Emperor Trump’s golden bust on my behalf.

  • I await this website’s usual anti-Muslim contributors to come in and crap all over this very good article.

    • Warmac9999

      So if he had merely said that the WBC was not Christian, all the bobble head dolls would have been yes-ing all over themselves. But, oh my gosh, to say something negative about Islam and the bobble heads shake so furiously that their heads fall off.

      • Stephen Spiker

        Warmac, you are labeling Nadia, a Virginia Republican and member of SCC, an enemy of the United States.

        Doesn’t that give you even a moment’s pause? Or are you so blinded by hatred and fear of Muslims that individuals simply do not matter to you?

        • Warmac9999

          Twisting my words once again. By the way, is the WBC an enemy of the USA. Why no comment? My guess is that had Mr Burgos stopped there you would hav been in politically correct agreement with him. But to comment on the Holy Grail (pun intended) of Islam you go politically correct nuts.

          • Stephen Spiker

            There’s no twisting of words whatsoever. You believe Islam is our enemy, which means you believe Nadia is our enemy.

          • Warmac9999

            Keep twisting. That is all you have.

          • Stephen Spiker

            How am I wrong? Did you suddenly stop believing that Islam is our enemy?

          • Warmac9999

            I have referred you to Churchill numerous times. His sentiments pretty much reflect mine only he says it far more eloquently than I could.

          • Stephen Spiker

            Churchill didn’t even know who Nadia is. You do. You’ve referred to 1.6 billion Muslims as enemies of the United States, including Nadia. You’ve said that individuals don’t matter, their culture does.

            Were you wrong?

          • Warmac9999

            And you miss the fact, yes fact, that everyone who is not a Muslim is considered an enemy of Islam. Every Christian, Jew, atheist, etc is an enemy of Islam and must be dealt with in accordance with islamic practices.

            I am sure that Nadia is a nice lady and I am sure Mr. Burgos is a nice fellow. You want to treat this in a politically correct manner and that is your choice. I enjoy poking holes in political correctness because it is very dangerous to a free society. So keep yelling bigot, racist, islamophobe as that is all you got.

          • Stephen Spiker

            So you think Nadia, a Virginia Republican and member of the SCC, is an enemy of the United States.

            Shaming your bigotry and Islamophobia is all I have for you, because that’s all you represent. You are a hateful old man and you have chosen to make hate your defining ideology on this blog.

        • Warmac9999

          You constantly scream individualism. I wonder, do you have any allegiance to anything. Do you consider yourself to be an American or are you just a creature of the world.

      • Oh, no. You’re not getting away with this crap this time. You’ve got Nadia directly in front of you. Tell her that you believe she and/or her religion is a source of evil. Tell her how much you dislike what she believes in.

        She’s stepped up to the stage under her real name. Have the guts to challenge her directly.

        • Warmac9999

          I did I did exactly what you suggest. I said rather than alienate she should debate and educate. And, quite obviously, Islam is currently a source of great evil that needs to be cleansed of that evil. Civilian casualties in the USA thanks to Islam are approaching 5000 since 9/11. I think a good starting point for the debate would be to acknowledge the situation and address how to stop the jihadist violence short of war.

          • Lee Pillsbury

            I feel no obligation to educate or explain that the kind of hate you espouse isn’t a Christian virtue,why should Nadia have to explain that terrorism isn’t part of her faith. You keep saying she should educate and debate. Why? For decent reasonable people there isn’t a debate. Has your extensive study shown how many civilian casualties have been caused by Christians in the USA since 9/11? I would hazard a guess that the number exceeds 5000.

          • Warmac9999

            Tell me how many of those supposed Christian murders were done in the name of Christianity. I know of a few abortion clinic murderers but that is about it.

            And, by the way, Nadia doesn’t have to explain anything. I suggested she had a great opportunity to debate and educate. She has not taken advantage of that opportunity.

          • Lee Pillsbury

            Because unlike you she knows there is nothing to debate and you have shown that no amount of education will get past the hate and fear circling around what you use for a brain.

          • You are the one who alienates when you make no difference between Nadia and That Guy Who Blows Everybody Up.

          • Warmac9999

            You are the one that lumped them together, not me. I no nothing of Nadia other than what she wrote above. In point out that she threw away an opportunity to punish Burgos.

          • You’ve done that lumping plenty of times in the past.

            Reach out to her. Learn about her. That’s going to be scary for you because the end result will force you to admit that the vast, vast majority of Muslims are peace-loving people who summarily reject the hate and violence called for in their ancient texts. You know, like the Christians who love to eat a big plate of fried shrimp while wearing a cotton-blend shirt.

            You don’t have to sign on to a religion and follow exactly 100% of what the religion’s holy test says the rules are.

          • Warmac9999

            And you also don’t have to ignore that far too many do follow those rules. Sticking you head in a bucket of sand will eventually suffocate you.

          • Stephen Spiker

            You think 1.6 billion Muslims are our enemy. Lumping people with dark skin together is all that you have ever offered.

  • Great article and Nadia is good people.

    • Nadia Elgendy

      Thank you!

      • Turbocohen

        You are A1 Nadia. XOXO

  • Warmac9999

    So, we should shut people up rather than debate the issue. This is exactly what Trump addressed with his comments about the danger of political correctness. And, if the polls mean anything, the majority of the American citizenry share at least some of his concerns.

    • Sammy

      I think the Times Diary managed to capture a succinct snapshot of why people should stop thinking that a private citizen’s ethnicity or faith ought to be a matter of public concern:

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CldopYkUYAAAskI.jpg:large

      • Warmac9999

        Really? So you would be opposed to the gay assault on Christian bakers, florists, photographers, etc.

        • Sammy

          First off, the word “assault” has an actual meaning that does not mean what you think it means.

          More importantly, there is a profound difference between having an opinion on whether a religious adherent has a right to discriminate on the basis of religion whenever she places a good or service into interstate commerce, and demanding that a 21-year-old woman metaphorically stand here and justify the fundamental validity of her religion to your and Burgos’s personal satisfaction.

          • Warmac9999

            First, these small Christian mom and pop shops are not in interstate commerce. Second, they have been targeted while comparable Muslim businesses have been given a pass. Third, to ignore the constant violence of Islamists is idiotic – and this lady should take every opportunity to be a defender of the faith. That is what debate and educate actually means.

            and you have left out a very important fact – Christians, Jews, Buddhists, etc. are constantly being required to defend their faith. Nobody gets a pass.

          • Sammy

            Although I certainly have heard people question whether Judaism is the true faith, I have literally never–not even once in my life–either seen or heard of another American questioning whether Judaism is a religion at all.

            But I must admit that you’ve always given me the impression that you’re the sort of person who would be deeply familiar with the corners of the Internet where that might happen regularly.

          • Warmac9999

            I had friends who died on 9/11. I have been in the world trade centers and the pentagon.

            There comes a tipping point when you must question the givens of the politicians. Well, the first thing I did was look at the history of Islam from its beginning. The second thing I did was examine how the Koran breaks down religion, politics, law and war. the third thing I did was talk to Christian refugees and missionaries. The forth thing I did was go to a lot of websites both pro and con.

            I don’t know what your study, if you studied at all, revealed but if you only bought into the “religion of peace” bumper sticker, then your commentary is quite uninformed.

          • Lee Pillsbury

            You are a pusillanimous bigot without the integrity to use your own name,you don’t have the intellectual heft to debate any issue so you constantly obfuscate the issue being discussed by bringing in extraneous issues. Gays, Bakers,Jews and Christians aren’t germane to this conversation. The only issue this article is about is a member of SCC making bigoted attacks on one of the great religions of the world. You are so full of fear and insecurities that you actually expect a young woman to be a defender of her faith? WTF kind of man are you? She didn’t write this article to defend her faith, she doesn’t have to. She wrote this to defend her chosen political party from assholes like you. You are a frightened,weak little man.

          • Warmac9999

            You are simply a very ignorant man.

          • Lee Pillsbury

            It is entirely possible that I am ignorant of a great many things,one thing I am not ignorant about is you being a short fingered bigot hiding behind a fake name and his keyboard.

          • Warmac9999

            One Final point. Nadia decide to attack Burgos rather than use his frustration as an opportunity to debate and educate. You say this young woman shouldn’t have to defend her faith. I point out that she has been given an opportunity to do so. Instead, she has chosen to attack rather than be compassionate. Well, if Brexit is any example, people are utterly tired of hearing about the abuse of Muslims while reading about another beheading or rape committed by Muslims. If Islam is a religion of peace then it should be able to,demonstrate how it is a religion of peace.

          • Lee Pillsbury

            Pointing out his bigotry isn’t an ” attack”, a more apt description would be that Burgo’s was hung on his own petard. She has no need or reason to defend her faith. Calling for our party to live up to its ideals isn’t an” opportunity” to defend her faith. Rather YOU and Burgo’s have forced the rest of us to defend our party.

          • Warmac9999

            You are the classic inside the beltway elitist. Meanwhile, in fly over country, American citizens see a government, and worse, two political parties that are so distanced from their daily lives and realities that nothing is recognizable.

            Do you really think that such people want to be confronted and assaulted by failing government and remote in-the-bubble intellectuals. Well, Brexit just sent a profound message about the angst, and you can ridicule and demean all you want but I suggest you actually talk to some of those folks rather than lecturing them about their bigotry.

            Trump was absolutely predictable because of your high and mighty attitude, and nothing can or will get better until you humble yourself and rid yourself of defending political correctness.

          • Stephen Spiker

            Not hating wonderful people like Nadia does not equate to “political correctness”. Your intolerance for people different from you is not striking a blow for the masses, it’s just prejudiced hatred. And it’s wrong. It was wrong when George Wallace preached it, and it’s wrong now.

            It seems like every generation in this country we have to teach the oldest among us that the unfamiliar isn’t to be so instantly recoiled from and demonized.

          • Warmac9999

            Mr Burgos did not personally attack Nadia, nor have I. I have attacked political correctness that is obvious in the attacks on Burgos. Not one of you who defends Nadia has said a word about the WBC, an organization that hasn’t killed anyone but has condemned homosexuality in an unseemly way. Thus, you buy into the Burgos comment and could care less if a member of the WBC was personally insulted by the comment. Mr Burgos then goes on to equate the totalitarianism of the NAZI regime with the totalitarianism of Islam, and you go nuts. I don’t know what caused him to make such a post but to say he needs to be censured for doing so is political correctness.

          • Stephen Spiker

            You’ve called Nadia an enemy of the United States. So yes, you have attacked her personally. You’ve attacked all Muslims personally. That’s what happens when you say that individuals don’t matter.

            Why would anybody need to say a word about the WBC? They don’t matter, and I don’t care if they’re attacked.

            He does NOT equate the totalitarianism of each. He very explicitly equates Islam with Nazis. The word “totalitarian” isn’t anywhere in his tweet.

          • Warmac9999

            Thank you for making my point about political correctness. You quite appropriately demonstrate its bias and inherent injustice.

          • Stephen Spiker

            The only point you’ve made about political correctness is that you think you should be able to say terrible things about people like Nadia and have people congratulate you for it. That’s not being “correct”, it’s just being an asshole.

            Thanks to Trump, old racist assholes like you have a newfound license to spew your hate and intolerance. It’s sickening.

          • Warmac9999

            Do you know that the words”Christmas Vacation” are now considered a micro aggression at UNC. Also the terms boyfriend and girlfriend. This is what your ignorance has foisted upon America.

            What is sickening is you love to revel in the hatred of political correctness. You make up things that aren’t true and then debate them with yourself.

          • Stephen Spiker

            Only someone as narrow-minded as you can see things as a black-and-white choice between two extremes: either you believe in the culture of “safe spaces” and microaggressions, or it’s perfectly legitimate to be racist. Like most things, the world is significantly more complex than that.

            Unfortunately, this is only way you can pretend that your bigoted views belong in the “mainstream”. This is actually really simple, though: stop saying hateful and racist things, and people will stop thinking you’re a hateful racist.

          • Lee Pillsbury

            Mr. Burgos is free to say or think whatever ignorant bigoted things he likes as a private citizen, as a member of SCC he should be censured for doing so. Also, let me congratulate you for the historic first! You are now the only person in history so fearful of gays that you are concerned that the WBC may have gotten their feelings hurt!

          • Warmac9999

            The dead and maimed gays in Orlando are the victims of political correctness. They were Americans who believed the propaganda that the first responders would protect them. The lgbt community now knows better and are arming themselves. Bravo to them for realizing that you are responsible for your life and not somebody with a badge.

            As far as WBC, my point was that none of you would have said a peep if the post was about them. They are obviously politically incorrect “bigots”, and you demean them with great relish because you disagree with them. I, too, disagree with them in that they have abused people who are merely trying to honor their dead loved ones.

            Mr Burgos frustration regarding Islam reflects a growing frustration with multiculturalism, and even Merkel made the statement that multiculturalism is a failure before she invited in a million or more Muslims who do not share the German culture. Is it any wonder that the average citizen has had it with these elites. Brexit was a shot across the bow of globalism, liberalism and political correctness. Yell all you want, political correctness has had its day and it is time for reality once again. And, yes, reality is very uncomfortable. I would much rather believe that Islam is not what it is and that accommodation can lead to assimilation. It is just not happening.

          • Lee Pillsbury

            WTF do any of your truly psychotic ramblings have to do with the issue at hand? The issue at hand is a repesentative of the RPV publically insulting and attacking the adherants of one of the largest religions of the world in direct contradiction of longstanding Republican principles.

          • Warmac9999

            The a Republican Creed of Virginia addresses the God of the founders. Maybe you should read it.

          • Lee Pillsbury

            Well, it was written by men so I won’t lend it the same credence as the Apostles Creed. And again, neither is germane to this issue.

          • Warmac9999

            Then do not lecture me about Republican principles when you do not intend to abide by them.

          • Stephen Spiker

            Warmac, even you cannot possibly think that a reference to God means that one must be a Christian (the same type of Christian as the Founders) in order to have Republican principles.

          • Warmac9999

            Atheists need not apply? I just read the creed but you can do likewise and decide what is intended when reference to the founders is included.

          • Stephen Spiker

            Freedom of belief is a constitutional principle. It’s also a conservative principle. It’s also a principle that exemplifies individualism.

            For all those reasons, I understand that your instinct is to oppose it.

          • Warmac9999

            The founders tried anarchy via the Articles of Confederation. It didn’t work. There is a need for federal government, and thus individualism is restricted by the Constitution. Nevertheless, to protect certain but not all individual rights we have the well reasoned Bill of Rights.

            As a constitutional conservative I understand the founders reasoning on the distinctions and their fears that we would go too far toward enslaving statism or chaotic individualism. We have not disappointed them as we are very far into statism if not full globalism. We better have a USExit, and only Trump is in favor of such a thing.

          • David Eggleston

            Congrats on getting that high-paying elite job inside the Beltway, Lee! Why didn’t you tell me about it? You will still drop by Lakeside for a visit from time to time, right? Don’t forget your roots.

          • Lee Pillsbury

            Sorry Dave! It was quite sudden, there I was just arguing with an idiot when he gave me the position! I am not sure about dropping by as I don’t have any details on my duties yet but ” inside the beltway elitist” is probably going to be time consuming. Lots of cocktail parties on embassy row and K street etc.

          • Susan Sili

            You made my night Lee!

          • Lee Pillsbury

            Glad I could help. Jeff should probably take you out more though if that’s the best you can do on a Saturday night.

  • Turbocohen

    Fredy, time to recalibrate man.

  • David Eggleston

    The Keyboard Kampaigner Klub always makes for fun reading here on Bearing Drift.

  • James Young

    My question is this: aren’t there elements of Islamic teaching which include mandates for government? If the answer is “Yes,” how is it not also an “ideology” (which is treated by many demagogues who are no less possessed of a set of ideas than those they criticize as something evil, by which they mean, “I disagree with your ideas”)? While it may be unfair to equate it with Nazism (I am aware of no element of mainstream Islamic teaching which mandate mass murder or constant ethnic struggle), calling it an ideology in the political sense may be entirely fair.

    BTW, aren’t many of the same people here and now criticizing Burgos’ assessment also fond of equating Donald Trump with Nazism?

    Oh, and some have suggested that, as First Vice Chairman, Nadia is on the SCC. I don’t believe that is true.

    • Warmac9999

      What is obvious is that many who post here desperately want Islam to be a religion and not an ideology. Your point, therefore, is dismissed because it is politically incorrect to suggest such a question. So far, the attempts to distance “ideological” Islam from “religious” Islam have been an utter failure.

      Also, there is historical precedence for the linkage of Islam and nazism.

    • Nadia Elgendy

      Actually, I serve on the State Central Committee. The CRFV’s representatives are their three highest officers, Chairman, 1st Vice, and 2nd Vice.

      • James Young

        Thanks for clearing that element up. I think that may have changed since I was in the CRFV, but that was thirty years ago.

        I notice that you don’t address the other questions I raise. Shall we take that as a concession? And if not, do you feel no obligation to address them?

        • Nadia Elgendy

          Right off the bat–I am not that different from any other American so I do not see how I am somehow more obligated to address or condemn religious extremism in countries that I have no affiliation with. However, I am hoping to educate my peers. Because clearly those who are “experts” on Islam do not exactly qualify to comment on such matters.

          The concept of religious influence in politics is not something that is limited to Islam. One slight example–Those who are in favor of gay marriage would not consider Christianity an ideology.

          Several practices that are deemed “Islamic” whether by governments or individuals in the Middle East or Africa are actually not Islamic, but are cultural elements that pre-date Islam. FOR EXAMPLE–if you go to Mecca for pilgrimage, men and women pray together during pilgrimage, but you go to the Burger King in Mecca and there are separate lines for genders.

          Also–just like I am not in favor of generalizing Muslims, I am not qualified to generalize what the readers of BD feel about Trump. That being said, the only people who commit Nazism are, well, Nazis themselves.

          • James Young

            Well, “right off the bat,” you chose to condemn Burgos’ comments. Some are certainly worthy of condemnation. But not all, so, yeah, you’re kinda obligated to identify those which aren’t, one of which is, I would suggest, his assertion that “Islam is … an ideology” (by which I presume he means a political ideology, not merely a religions one, since any religion can fairly be described as an “ideology,” by hypothesis). I cite reasons why this assertion is, in fact, correct. You assumed that obligation when you decided to condemn him, and particularly when you cited your “religion” as “something” you suddenly “gave thought to when it came to [your] identity as a Republican, a
            Virginian, or an American” after you read Burgos’ comments.

            And as an adherent to Islam who “hop[es] to educate [your] peers,” you voluntarily assume the obligation to identify precisely where Burgos’ goes astray. Particularly when you dismiss others “who are ‘experts’ on Islam” who “do not exactly qualify to comment on such matters.” As an adherent to Islam, I presume that you do “qualify to comment on such matters.” When you actually do so, you assume certain obligations.

            And no, I did not ask you to nor assert that you are “somehow more obligated to address
            or condemn religious extremism in countries that [you] have no
            affiliation with” [sic], and I’m really not sure why you would even
            raise that, as I did not even remotely suggest it. Though, by
            comparison, how often have we heard from some quarters that pro-lifers
            should condemn abortion clinic violence? Nevertheless, I am confused as to why you would raise this, as it is not the question I ask. Perhaps the pitfall you seek to avoid is that the premise I cite — that there are “elements of Islamic teaching which include mandates for government” (and perhaps I should have more explicitly stated that there are none in Christianity; quite the contrary: Christ specifically taught to “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and render unto God that which is God’s,” and the Reformation wrung out of Christianity any latent understanding of Christian teaching as a mandate for government) — and that understanding of that premise is necessary to an understanding of Islamic extremism, and perhaps that it is inherent in Islam.

            All of which comes around to my original questions, which you manage to not to answer: (1) Aren’t there elements of Islamic teaching which include mandates for
            government? and/or (2) If the answer is “Yes,” how is it not also an “ideology” in the political sense of the term?

            I should add this: “No” or “I don’t know” are perfectly acceptable answers. But then again, if the answer is “no,” there is quite a lot of evidence to dispute your answer. And if your answer is “I don’t know,” then your condemnation of Burgos’ comments must be more qualified, isn’t it?

            Couple of other things: First, it’s “sex,” not “gender.” “Gender” is a term of language, wrongly adopted by the far Left to confuse easily definable (from a genetic and biological perspective) sexes. Try not to surrender so easily to the misleading rhetoric of the far Left, no matter — and perhaps especially because of — what your professors tell you.

            And second, your “slight example” implies that only Christianity opposes gay “marriage,” to the extent that your “slight example” makes any sense at all. Wrong: that would be the language (as a definitional matter, until — again — the far Left started debasing the language by trying to mainstream deviant couplings with the implication that they serve some societal good similar to marriage), and EVERY major (and most minor) world religions.

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