A Response to Travis E. Witt’s Letter to Virginia RepublicansFeaturedPoliticsSlider

Travis E. Witt, 5th District State Central Committeeman, asks a good question in his missive to Virginia Republicans released today.  ”Where is the condemnation?”

That’s a good question.

Where was the condemnation when Ken Cuccinelli poured resources and staffing into the 2012 State Central Committee races, packing the committee with supporters who overturned the decision to nominate our statewide candidates in 2013 by primary?  Where is the condemnation for the activists who tried to hoot down the Republican Majority Leader while he was speaking to the 7th District convention Saturday?  Where is the condemnation for the units across the Commonwealth who have reacted to the unfair, but legal, slating process by overturning valid actions of conventions and seating delegates who were not elected?  Where is the condemnation for ignoring the rule of law?

And where is the condemnation for the steady stream of falsehoods, personal attacks, bitter vitriol and divisiveness being poured forth from Mr. Witt and assorted other voices in Virginia who have spent more time, effort and energy attacking fellow Republicans than they have in fighting Barack Obama, Mark Warner and Terry McAuliffe?

That our party has, once again, devolved into bitter factional fighting is truly disappointing.  At a time when we need to be united in our campaigns against the Democratic Party, we are, instead, hurling insults at each other.  History repeats itself, and we find ourselves again in internecine warfare.  And it’s all so unnecessary.

The attacks on Eric Cantor have been vicious and unfair.  The attacks on anybody willing to stand up and call the attacks on Eric Cantor vicious and unfair have been even worse.   The claims that anybody who supports the Majority Leader is unprincipled, power hungry, being paid or groveling for position are disgusting, unfair and untrue.  Nobody should have their motives questioned, especially not when they are simply supporting one of the leaders of the Republican Party nationally and in Virginia.

I am a principled Republican – and one of the most fundamental principles that I have lived my life by is fairness.  And when I see someone being unfairly attacked, regardless of party, I will defend them.  I have never been afraid to stand up for what is right and stand against what is wrong.  And what Travis Witt, Jamie Radtke, John Pudner and many others have been doing to Eric Cantor is wrong.

There are no clean hands in this fight.  I don’t believe that most Republicans approve of the slating process that was used in Virginia Beach and elsewhere, but I also don’t believe they approve of the tactics being used to respond to slating.  The treatment that some Republicans in the party have had at the hands of others has been shameful, and it’s time that all Republicans stand up and say we’ve had enough.

Enough of the attacks.  Enough of the hateful rhetoric.  Enough of the lies and innuendo.

Eric Cantor is a good man, and he’s a good Republican.  He’s been a leader nationally and in Virginia.  No, he isn’t perfect and I certainly don’t agree with him on every policy position he has ever taken, but to blame him for trying to do what he believes is right is bad.  It ensures that no politician, at any level, will be willing to make tough decisions and do the right thing, even if that thing is unpopular. There was a time in American life when political courage was rewarded.  Today, it’s mocked and scorned.  That’s a tragedy.

A Cantor defeat on June 10th does send a message – it sends the message that the Republican Party has truly lost its way.  That the only way to win as a Republican in an intraparty fight is to feed the flames of anger and animosity, to turn your opponent into an evil caricature, and turn your campaign into a crusade.  That’s not what politics and governance should be about.  We have done that before, and we’ve been repudiated at the polls by the voters when we’ve done it.

As a Republican, I want effective leaders who understand what the role of government is and should be, who are willing to work hard and work smart to solve the problems we all face, and who will listen to their constituents and use their best judgment to do the right thing.  Anything else is empty rhetoric.

It is time that all Republicans stand up to the hatred and demand more – not just from our elected Representatives, but also from our Party Officials.  Travis Witt’s letter is not only inappropriate, it demonstrates a lack of good judgment.  It doesn’t deserve praise. It should be a wake-up call to Republicans in the 5th District that they’ve chosen unwisely.  We should expect the people we elect to manage the Republican Party of Virginia to do so responsibly.  You can’t manage the party when you’re tearing it down from the inside.

It’s time that rank-and-file Republicans stand up to the hatefulness in our midst and demand better.  If we don’t, we will have no one to blame but ourselves. 

Brian W. Schoeneman
Private Citizen.

 

  • WorriedinVA

    The behavior of the Tea Party at the 7th District convention was appalling…Honestly…if you want to bring people together, you can’t act like a mob. If the Tea Party wants to bring people into their group – and I agree with them just about 100% of the time – they have to realize that not every other conservative will fit their mold perfectly. The Tea Party NEEDS ALL conservatives on board to beat the democrats and acting like thugs won’t get them there. Sitting at home on election day and stomping your feet because the “perfect” Tea Party person didn’t get the republican nomination is playing right into the democratic play book – it’s votes for them. The progressive movement began about 100 years ago. We cannot “take this country back” in one or two election cycles. ALL conservatives need to pull together. The Tea Party had a great thing going, but now they’re acting disgracefully. Be a “big umbrella” movement. Be persuasive, be cordial, be considerate. If you want to win, do it with respect and kindness – or you will LOSE and the conservative movement will disappear in this country altogether. Look at the democratic party – what variance it has! You have the hard socialists and the people who still think it’s the same democratic party our grandparents belonged to (the JFK, Romney types).

    Get a grip – if you want change, real change, you have to be welcoming, compassionate, persuasive, and respectful, or you will LOSE.

    • Britt Howard

      Really? Let talk about Catron chest bumping and breathing in the face of Stearns.

      • WorriedinVA

        EVERYONE who calls themselves conservatives needs to PULL TOGETHER! We need the numbers. It’s imperative at this point in history. The dem’s do it….and they win….

        • Britt Howard

          That is why I don’t understand why when a bunch of Tea/Liberty people see the writing on the wall and get ready to back guys like Gillespie, the Establishment types claim we won’t work with them. Shak Hill is awesome. I prefer him and hope he has a big future, but Gillespie will win and that is the guy we need to back. Establishment however, seem content to Cuccinelli people they don’t like or slate & purge. Say what you will about EW, but Cuccinelli proved himself winning AG and barely lost with the lackluster party support he got.

          • WorriedinVA

            I appreciate your willingness to back Gillespie, even though he isn’t your first choice. Warner will be a tough opponent – bottomless bank account and connections. That’s why I believe Gillespie is the best person to oppose him. G has the experience and finesse to play this game – and play it well. The goal of every single conservative in this country should be to remove Reid from his role as majority leader. He has been 100% effective in neutering the entire legislative branch of our federal government. the House has passed over 200 bills, that Reid won’t discuss, compromise on, or vote on. It’s a disgrace. Virginia’s gift to the country, the state, its citizens should to remove Warner from office and up the republican count in the senate. It’s just that simple. We need to rally around that single, MOST IMPORTANT goal.

            By the way – northern virginia’s relentless attack against Cuccinelli was something he just couldn’t topple. C was definitely on the road to success, but wasn’t supported by the RNC. A disgrace. McAuliffe is horrible – really an embarrassment. someone in the house of delegates told me he knows nothing about government, nothing about Virginia. He just wants medicaid expansion and to put Va in Hillary’s column in 2016. Aren’t we lucky

          • AmyH

            Cuccinelli was also actively undermined by Bill Bolling and other establishment Republicans is this state. So, while I agree with you, the pulling together has to go both ways.

            PS… those people booing Cantor were not all Tea Party people, they were his constituents in general who are well and truly fed up with his contemptuous attitude and unresponsiveness.

          • WorriedinVA

            I agree. We ALL need to pull together….if nothing else, our currently elected officials need to realize that we’re WATCHING them.

          • Turbocohen

            They need to be reminded they work for use, not the other way around.. Few give a damn about this and screw us all.

          • WorriedinVA

            Term limits. There’s something about being in DC that makes people lose their character and their “public servant” status.

          • Downstater

            I do not like the idea of term limits. That is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. What if you had a really great representative who had served his district well for years, and you wanted to keep him?

          • http://www.southsidecentral.com/ Bruce Hedrick

            O RLY? That room was a political convention. There weren’t any plain-ole-constituents there. I’m betting that the ones who booed were the same ones that voted for Gruber.

          • AmyH

            By definition, delegates who live in Cantor’s district are also his constituents…

          • http://www.southsidecentral.com/ Bruce Hedrick

            By definition, anybody that goes to conventions like this aren’t “plain-ole-constituents”. They’re involved in party politics to a much higher degree.

          • Downstater

            yeah Bolling sent out that great email about party unity and why he was choosing not to run, and I really liked and respected the guy. But then we found out he was working behind the scenes for Tmac. He could have hung in there and actually tried to campaign, but no, he just undermined the Rep. campaigns. Agreed.

          • David A.

            If you’re going to pull this card out, we can also say that if Cucc. waited 4 years, we’d have a Republican governor (Bolling) right now and him as the successor. Patience is a virtue.

          • AmyH

            Politicians ought not be able to call dibs on a political office.

          • David A.

            No, but they ought to play nice with those within their own party as well as read an electorate.

          • CVA Patriot

            I disagree with your part about just letting EW get blasted. He worked his tail off to get that ticket elected and it’s shameful how he has been left to the wolves of both parties.

          • Britt Howard

            My point was going to accusations that both Cuccinelli and EW were unelectable. Cuccinelli proved that to be crap when he won AG. People making that assertion are just spinning bs. I can not say EW has that same defense.

        • Turtles Run

          They also win by generally not running crazies and saying and doing ignorant things in public. They appeal to more voters by not taking extreme positions and not trying to marginalize citizens of this nation.

          Maybe a real big tent policy would be more acceptable to people.

          BTW: Its not take back our country.

          Moderates, liberals , conservatives, and everyone else all get a chance to drive the direction of this nation. You do not get to take back this country from others, we share it.

          • WorriedinVA

            We do, but we have recently strayed pretty far from the Constitution and the limits it places on our government. We need to take that back. Reid has neutered the legislative branch of the federal government, Holder has done the same with judicial. We’re moving towards authoritarian at this point – I want the republic back.

          • Turtles Run

            Please name one thing the courts have ruled unconstitutional and the federal government keeps doing. It wasn’t Reid that shut down the government after a budget deal was brokered it was the tea party wing of the GOP and Holder has no control over the judicial branch.

            Again more hysterics from the right wing. Just because you do not like the policies of the current administration that does not make them unconstitutional and you sound like the people that use to say Bush was turning the nation into a racist state.

          • AmyH

            The Supreme Court is made up of men who, more than occasionally rule wrongly.

          • MD Russ

            And the Constitutional remedy for that is a Constitutional Amendment. Occasionally, the Court gets it wrong, as they did in the Dred Scott Decision. The 13th Amendment fixed that.

            The problem with the Tea Party is that they want instant gratification to cure unproven wrongs. The strength of our republic is deliberation, not revolution.

          • WorriedinVA

            They are judges who make judgments on their understanding of the law of the land. We don’t have all the information they have. I’ve actually been pretty impressed with several of the judges – like Kennedy. He seems to be working hard to do what he sees as “most right” for the country.

          • WorriedinVA

            Whoa….read the Constitution. Obama has delayed several parts of the ACA, a law that was passed and he signed. He can’t do that unilaterally. Holder was silent. The House has passed over 200 bills that Reid won’t discuss on the floor or vote on. He’s shut down the legislature. Holder DOES has control over what matters the judicial branch looks into – he’s the attorney general. Do you not understand that?

      • MD Russ

        Catron. Who is he?

        • Britt Howard

          Rob Catron. Key goon in the slating strategy.

    • CVA Patriot

      Not in this contest. There is no dem running. Cantor did this to himself. If you just read the transcript of that speech, it could just as easily come from TMac. Also, how did he think the delegates were going to respond to him after ignoring them for a decade, then sliming up the joint with dirty tactics before votes were even taken?

    • Willie Mae Washington

      So Eric Cantor can stand up in front of an audience and lie like a cheap rug and you don’t find that appalling at all. But when people who know the reality are outraged by his blatant lies, you find it appalling. If you want a big umbrella, why don’t you start with Cantor’s Young Guns PAC. If you want behavior that is not appalling, you might start by demanding that our elected officials not stand in front of us and falsely disparage a free market, Reagan conservative as a “Tim Kaine liberal”. I am appalled at the double standard. I do not believe anything that Eric Cantor says, and that starts with his claims that he is a conservative Republican. If he would stand in front of us and blatantly lie, he has lost all credibility. He has left behind all civilized behavior. He has demeaned himself to the behavior of tyrants. There is NO RESPECT for voters or citizens in that kind of behavior. Dave Brat has a record, a resume, references, colleagues. Google his name. Lying is NOT a public virtue. This campaign COULD have been about their differences on issues. But have you seen a single Cantor mail piece or have you heard a single Cantor ad that was not based on the lie that Dave Brat is a “Tim Kaine liberal”? Nope, not a single one. Straight into the gutter. Don’t talk about consideration OR about conservatives when a low-life is willing to sink to such levels of campaigning. “If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan you can keep it.” Our democracy is doomed when we start tolerating — defending — those who lie to us.

      • WorriedinVA

        David Brat has made some claims about Eric Cantor that are false. Look at the other side of this debate. Whatever I type here you will discount. Whoever is the nominee for the republicans needs to be supported by every single “conservative” in the 7th district. Sitting home is hurting us…over and over again. The differences between conservatives pale in comparison to the differences we have with the democrats. Time to unify and WIN FOR A CHANGE. There is ALWAYS a better choice.

      • Cowabunga1000

        If Reagan were in office today, hard-right Republican yahoos would be deriding him as a RINO and trying to impeach him for signing tax increases. Unfortunately, the Republican Party is rapidly turning into an out-of-control clown car that utterly fails to recognize the need to meet in the middle with people who demonstrably and consistently attract more votes. Instead, they attack anyone who momentarily strays to the left of Attila the Hun. Keep it up – maybe some day doing the same thing over and over will produce different electoral results.

  • Turbocohen

    “The attacks on Eric Cantor have been vicious and unfair.” Oh, thank the lord Jesus that Eric Cantors blessings upon the lord Ray Allen slated off all those jews, blacks, hispanics, philipinos, libertarians, conservatives, etc..

  • Lee Vogler

    Amen Brian!

  • Bob McMahan

    Be respectful! Just accept direction from your betters! You twits have not seen anything yet.

    Our folks are not actually the supine peasants y’all apparently imagine us to be. Some of us are proud delusional nativists!

  • Donna Jenkins Holt

    Ken Cuccinelli didn’t organize a slating campaign. No one deliberately dodged the collection of filing forms. Ken didn’t recruit Democrats to get votes. He reached out to Republicans who preferred conventions over primaries and urged them to show up and vote. No member of the party was excluded from voting. That’s the difference.

    • Patrick Murphy

      You’re absolutely right, Cuccinelli didn’t break the rules or the law.

      Then again, neither did Cantor and YG Virginia. That’s the point.

      • TheLizard3211223

        Actually, in Campbell County at least, they did (see http://thebullelephant.com/5th-district-gop-ruling-election-stolen-get-keep/). The 5th District committee even ruled that they did.

        • Patrick Murphy

          The rules broken in Campbell County had nothing to do with Cantor or YG Virginia. And, you found the one example of rule breaking, one where the rule breaking was deemed so bad it warranted absolutely no punishment or remedy to resolve.

          • TheLizard3211223

            Well I don’t know if Cantor or YG was involved there or not – they certainly got the result they wanted using similar tactics used in other units. But I disagree that no punishment or remedy was warranted – it absolutely was. In fact the delegates slated off were eventually seated, so at least that remedy was implemented.

            But the rules were broken in the Richmond City Mass meeting as well, and then the unit committee ignored their own by-laws by allowing non-members to vote by proxy. They simply re-affirmed the slating without and ignored the rule-breaking.

          • Turbocohen

            I was told the same BS about 2nd cd and RPVB.. But YG goons were there screwing the pooches.

      • Donna Jenkins Holt

        Rules were broken in Campbell County and at Richmond’s Mass Meeting and Richmond,s subsequent meeting to address the complaints.

        • Patrick Murphy

          Unless I’m missing something, Cantor and YG Virginia never broke those rules.

          • Donna Jenkins Holt

            It’s easy to claim to have clean hands when you have your buddies do the dirty work. When YG recruits vote to ignore rules violations and let the results stand, it’s no different. Long time dues paying members were told they were no longer members and had no vote. Another violation of the rules. Otherwise, it would have gone differently.

          • AmyH

            Amen

    • Republican_Against_Democrats

      “No member of the party was excluded from voting.”

      2013 Republican Convention attendees – 8,041 (According to the results of the First Ballot, the number continues to shrink as the the ballot number increases.

      2012 Republican Primary Voters – 255,826 (Not including write-ins).

      No, a one in every 31.8 voter ratio is clearly being MORE inclusive and ensuring the MOST members of our Party get to participate in the process, I get it. Democracy hard at work.

      We’re becoming the ‘you better have nothing to do on a Saturday and be completely and entirely invested in the political process if you want a voice’ Party. If you’re part of those 31 out of 32 people that don’t have time or the resources to goto a convention, tough luck. That should really work well within the world of shifting demographics of 2014. *face palm*

  • Matt Hall

    Majority Leader Cantor is an excellent Virginia Gentleman. I am proud that he leads us not only nationally, but here in Virginia.
    The Tea Party needs to go, and every member of the SSC who supports conventions also needs to go. They have ruined our party with lousy candidates (exp. Ken and EW) who had NO chance of winning the General Election. They have made everyone who is not with them the enemy. Its time we expose their lies, and the things they have done to ruin this party.
    Now let the entire Tea Party call me names that would make a sailor blush…..Ill just sit and wait. :)

    • MD Russ

      I fear that you have understated the damage caused by the Tea Party.

      • http://www.CatherineCrabill.com CatherineCrabill

        The damage the Tea Party has caused???

        All you phony “Republicans” attacking the growing number of people collectively known as the “Tea Party” who organically organized due to the direct threat posed by the election of a MARXIST to the Presidency. A growing number of actual PATRIOTS fed up with the kool-aid slurping, self serving traitors on Capitol Hill masquerading as “Republicans”.

        The TEA PARTY is the REAL REPUBLICAN PARTY. The TEA PARTY is not only determined to take back the Republican Party from Progressive Infiltrators and self-serving power brokers, but also, by extension, SAVE OUR ONCE FREE NATION from complete capitulation to the IRON FIST OF AN EMERGING TYRANNICAL POLICE STATE.

        What has Cantor, et al, done to put a STOP to the COMMUNIST OVERTHROW of our Republic? Not a DAMN thing. Do you seriously think our nation would be this far down the road to TYRANNY if the preponderance of the Republicans in office weren’t, in fact, complicit? Do you really have no clue the danger our nation is in?

        Our treasury has been ransacked, the dollar is on the brink of intentional collapse, the Rule of Law is NULL AND VOID, and YOU are satisfied with, nay DEFENDING the likes of CANTOR who has betrayed, with impunity, along with the vast majority of them, their Sacred Oath of Office to Uphold and Defend the CONSTITUTION.

        I don’t know what parallel universe you live in, but where I sit a great and growing darkness is sweeping over this once free land, and I fear for the nation my children will inherit.

        • Turtles Run

          This is why the tea party has the same approval level as herpes. They cannot discuss any issue without degenerating into a mindless rant. There is no communist overthrow in the making, no anarchy, and no police state emerging. If the dollar was on the brink of collapse than why is it still the world currency and US treasuries are still considered the safest investment in the world.

          That parallel universe that MD Russ lives in is called reality not that Twilight Zone episode the tea party resides. This is also coming from someone that has had many disagreements with MD Russ.

          • http://www.CatherineCrabill.com CatherineCrabill

            Do tell what you imagine the consequences will be to the PETRO Dollar when China and Russia negotiate to trade outside of our currency???

            http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/putin-advisor-threatens-dumping-us-treasurys-abandoning-dollar-if-us-proceeds-sanctions

            http://www.westernjournalism.com/insider-obama-plans-to-kill-u-s-dollar/

          • MD Russ

            And what is China going to do with all the American dollars that it holds when it devaluates the US dollar? (Hint: remember that scene in “Blazing Saddles” when Cleavon Little held his own gun to his head?) As for Russia, why do you suppose that Putin is trying to rein in the Russian militias in eastern Ukraine that he unleashed? He needs western trade much more than a new Soviet empire.

          • Turtles Run

            Agreed, the far right has been claiming that we are headed for hyper-inflation, currency collapse, and a tyrannical government take over and yet after 6 years NADA.

            Me thinks the tea party is full of it.

          • James Young

            Dismissing Ms. Crabill’s comment as a “mindless rant” about Marxism simply reveals that you don’t know what Marxism is.

          • Turtles Run

            Well when comments are based on hysterics and falsehoods then my label appropriately fits. There is no communist take over, the Cold War is dead and capitalism reigns. Even the largest communist nation in the world has embraced capitalism. Cuba would abandoned communism as soon as our stupid embargo is lifted.

        • MD Russ

          Thank you for proving my point, Catherine. Your rambling rant is precisely why over 70% of voters disapprove of the Tea Party and don’t support their agenda, according to Gallup. If Eric Cantor is too far left for you, then you have absolutely no possibility of being represented in Congress by anyone who shares your views. I suggest that you either get used to it or consider moving to a right wing totalitarian country. I understand that Airstrip One in Oceania is particularly pleasant at this time of year.

          • CVA Patriot

            Yeah Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, McCain are setting the world on fire with their high approval ratings. Those guys have done everything except run as Democrats, so what’s their excuse?

          • MD Russ

            Tell you what. Since you guys hate the Republican “establishment” so much and have all the right ideas, why don’t you just bugger off and start your own party? Call 1-800-Ron-Paul for advice on how that works.

          • AmyH

            Nope… we would rather work within the Republican party to get it back to its conservative roots. But thanks for the suggestion. Maybe instead you should join the Dems if they are moderate and statist enough for you.

          • MD Russ

            The Republican Party isn’t what it used to be–and it never was. What is so entertaining about the Tea Party is that they think that they can take over the Party of Lincoln and Reagan, pervert it into some kind of anti-government fringe group and then tell “establishment” Republicans to go be Democrats. All with a minority following in the Republican Party that they attribute to “media brainwashing.”

            You guys are a real gas.

          • Alan

            So if the Tea Party wants to convert the Republican Party to one that is antigovernment – it is therefore currently pro government no? That in my view is the problem. In my lifetime the Republican Party has become merely the conservative wing of the Democratic Party.

          • MD Russ

            Fine. Then go off and start your own party. That is how the Republicans replaced the Whigs in 1856.

          • http://www.CatherineCrabill.com CatherineCrabill

            Right Wing Totalitarian country??? Most people disapprove of the Tea Party because of character assassins like you that have NO CLUE what those of us, who are well versed in the founding fathers and documents that define the boundaries that protect our liberty, believe and are willing to spend our life’s blood for.

            Tis a pity that low information voters like you, getting your cues from the propagandists and your subliminal instructions on how and what to think from MSNBC, pretend to be the intellectual brain trust for the rest of us. I have to remind myself who I am dealing with when I read absurd and immature responses such as yours.

          • MD Russ

            Oh, pardon me. This low information voter had no idea that he was dealing with a genius who is so well versed in the founding fathers and documents. It must be a terrible burden to have to live with such clueless character assassins who are driving your Tea Party approval rate into the toilet when, as we all know, it should naturally be at least 90%. How will I ever live with myself?

          • http://www.CatherineCrabill.com CatherineCrabill

            I notice the IRS didn’t target the Republican Party and single them out for destruction, persecution, and harassment. One can only conclude that the Republican Party, as is, poses no threat, whatsoever, to the Obama Admin destruction of America. Including and especially, Cantor, who seems to be ALL IN on Obamacare, which has worked out so splendidly. Talk about a Totalitarian Country!

            Apparently, the only threat to Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS Gate, and the rest of this administrations CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, is the Tea Party. So if that makes me an enemy of the Fascists in DC and YOU, then I thank God for it.

            And I do comfort myself that MY ancestors who rose up against the tyranny of England, were a distinct minority as well. They still fought for the the LIBERTY everyone benefited from because they knew God had ordained freedom for all mankind. YOU and YOUR ancestors benefited from their sacrifice, their willingness to be hated and misunderstood by their own countrymen, for a future they would not live to see.

            You people, in your smug cattle-herd mentality, will never know the courage of taking an unpopular stand. Will never know what it takes to stand for what’s right, because it IS RIGHT, even when a majority cower and hide. I would rather be in a distinct and courageous minority, than with the masses covering their @$$es.

          • MD Russ

            As Church Lady would say, “well, isn’t that special!”

            Tell us Catherine, since you seem to fashion yourself as a “Constitutional scholar,” where did you do your graduate work or receive an undergraduate degree? Low information voters like me are curious. BTW, speaking of sacrifice and service, where did you sacrifice and serve the country? The military? The Peace Corps? VISTA?

            You see, Catherine, my wife and I both performed public service after college, me in the military and she in the Peace Corps. I can assure you that others have benefited from our sacrifices far more than we have benefited from those of your ancestors.

            Now take your demagogic sermons and preach them to some Tea Party crowd who believes them while I smugly return to the cattle herd.

          • http://www.CatherineCrabill.com CatherineCrabill

            Thank you for so spectacularly proving every point I made.

          • MD Russ

            So you’re not going to answer my questions, are you? Hiding something, Ms. Constitutional Scholar and Selfless Service to the Nation?

            Phoney wind-bag. People who live in glass houses and all that…

          • http://www.CatherineCrabill.com CatherineCrabill

            Did I EVER proclaim myself to be a scholar? Did I EVER proclaim that I served in the military? Is this, rather, you desperately grasping to mask your insecurity and need to be greater than whosoever else? That if only you can prove that you have a superior education, a bigger bank account, a better job, a higher salary than anyone else who argues to the contrary, makes you the “winner” and ‘their’ worldview becomes null and void?

            Here’s my gift to you… I am not as smart, not as talented, not as selfless as you. You are GREATER than me. I proclaim you SUPERIOR to me. There. Feel better?

            Pathetic.

          • MD Russ

            Actually, when you were running for Congress against Rob Wittman you gave an interview in which you did, in fact, characterize yourself as a “Constitutional scholar.” Then, you proceeded in this thread to rant about the great and heroic service and sacrifice that your ancestors made, insinuating that you have done the same by being a pain-in-the-ass gasbang who pushes unpopular opinions.

            Get over yourself, Catherine. You are projecting your own insecurities onto me because I dared to call you out for the fraud that you are.

            I’ve wasted enough time on you and I think that I have struck a nerve. Good. That was my intent.

          • MD Russ

            MD Russ is my real name. And I am neither a coward or a liar. You, on the other hand, have proven yourself to be an uneducated, self-aggrandizing, mean-spirited, fabricator of facts that defy reality. So there.

          • http://www.CatherineCrabill.com CatherineCrabill

            “So there”? How to respond without further deteriorating into infancy…

            Bored.

          • http://www.CatherineCrabill.com CatherineCrabill

            Mr. Russ, please indicate where I EVER stated that I was a scholar or a veteran. Alas, your ad hominen attack just points up the fact that you have a baseless point of view and therefore have to attack the messenger, rather than the message.

            You, apparently, are desperate to prove you’re GREATER THAN. So be it. You are more intelligent! You are better educated! You earn more money! You are all things wonderful and awesome! Thus, nothing anyone could argue with you to the contrary has any merit!

            Winner! Winner! Chicken Dinner!

          • CVA Patriot

            Then what is your solution? Who would you nominate to run against the progressives? They would turn Jeb, Christie, even Jon Huntsman into a Birch Society, Bible thumping lunatic. So who do you have in mind for Republicans to run? I’ve seen you verbally thrash every conservative out there, so what is your alternative? What ideas do you have to beat the Dems? Because, as we’ve seen with Christie, pandering doesn’t work. And actually fighting them is too distasteful for you. So what alternative ideas and candidates are you offering?

          • MD Russ

            Well, according to your analysis, CVA, none of the last three Republican Presidents should have had a chance of getting elected and yet two of them got re-elected as well. G. H.W. Bush would have gotten re-elected if he hadn’t pandered to the anti-tax zealots with that ill-advised “no new taxes” pledge.

            Here is an interesting statistic I read once: Two years before the 1992 general election, less than 10% of the voters had ever heard of Bill Clinton. I can think of some strong Republican candidates–Mitch Daniels immediately comes to mind, but most of them are too moderate to suit the tastes of the Tea Party and you folks would spend as much time trashing one of them as you would spend trashing the Democratic nominee. I can tell who it won’t be. Rick Santorium and Mike Huckabee blew their wads in 2012. Rand Paul can’t decide if he is a Libertarian or a Reagan Republican–it all depends on which way the political winds are blowing on any given day. Ted Cruz has more Republican enemies than Democratic ones. Rick Perry won’t get the nod for three reasons, but I forgot the third one. Caribou Barbie exhausted her 15 minutes over two years ago and has the worst case of hoof in mouth disease ever seen since Dan Quayle, but she does do a great impression of Tina Fey. Michele Bachmann couldn’t get nominated for Homecoming Queen in a pig feeder. Did I miss any of your darlings?

            BTW, if there is anything that we learned from Ronald Reagan was that you don’t win elections by fighting the liberals. You win elections by capturing the imagination and the support of the Independent moderate swing voters. What do you think all that “shining city on a hill was all about?” Bad-mouthing liberals?

          • CVA Patriot

            Thank you for finally naming one person who you like in the Republican Party. I’m actually open to hearing from Mitch Daniels. I don’t know anything about him so it would be interesting to hear what he’s all about. As to your other points, more of the same that you always do: Paint with the broadest brush possible against the Tea Party. I will give you points however for the Perry reference. That was a nice bit of satire on your part. You are mistaken however on who I would support. I don’t care for Huckabee on Santorum. Huckabee is a Common Core zealot and Santorum is loosley hinged hypocrite. I have no problem with Palin, but she would be way down my list because her delievery is awful. Bachman is ok, I just don’t care for her delievery either. I would support Rick Perry. I may not like everything he has said about immergration but his success as governor makes him a voice to listen to. I like Rand Paul alot. However, Ted Cruz is my first choice on all counts. He may be brash, but he’s articulate, brilliant and could clobber his competition in such a way that would not appear hateful. And I never said anything about “bad-mouthing” progressives. I just want the people who I support to have enough spine to stand up to them and take them on in the arena of ideas.

          • MD Russ

            CVA,

            You and I could actually have a nice discussion if you would accept the fact that, just like 70% of the voters, I have no use for the Tea Party and would never vote for one of them. The Tea Party has no sense of political history and seems to have goals that are based on returning the Republican Party to a conservative agenda that it never had. That makes “establishment” Republicans nothing less than Democrats in disguise and worthy of insult and abuse.

            For the first half of the past 150 years, the Republicans were more liberal than the Democrats. They were the party that abolished slavery, that passed the 14th Amendment to provide due process and civil liberties to all citizens, that pressed for universal suffrage, that curtailed the abuses of big banks and corporations with anti-trust laws, and provided Federal support to national infrastructure, ranging from the first transcontinental railroad to the Interstate Highway System. In short, they were the Federalists who believed that the Federal government alone had the power and resources to accomplish what was needed to make our republic great.

            And now the Tea Party, proclaiming a reality that never was, wants to make the Republican Party the Democratic Party of the late 19th and early 20th Centuries. We ain’t going there.

          • CVA Patriot

            MD, you and I clearly will never see eye to eye on the Tea Party, and that’s fine, no hard feelings. I do feel however that you mischaracterize the movement as a whole. I actually have many friends within the Republican hierarchy of VA, they are good folks who truly mean well. The problem I see stems from their inability to see just how ferocious and determined the progressive left is. I also have several friends who were extremely active in Obama’s VA teams. They make it no secret as to what they want. Total government control of every facet of our lives. Immediately after Obama got a second term, they were shifting to Elizabeth Warren’s 2016 apparatus. No highfiving, just a direct move to the next. That is where people of my age group, early 30s’ heads are in the progressive camp. We have to have that kind of passion and determination on our side if we are going to win. And the only people I see that even approach that are the Tea Party. So while I understand your reluctance to embrace the Tea Party movement, I just hope that you will take the time to really, on a personal level, look at what the other side truly wants. And then ask yourself if the Cantors, Boehners, Jebs and Christies of the Republican Part are who you want as a frontline soldiers in that battle. One more thing, I read in another post you had that you are veteran. I sincerely thank you for your service. Without it, I wouldn’t live in a nation where we can debate things like this. So again, thank you.

          • MD Russ

            You know, if you and your kind were the face of the Tea Party, I might be more sympathetic to your movement. Instead, the face of the Tea Party is Ted Cruz who would rather cost the taxpayers billions of dollars on a crude political stunt, Sarah Palin whose foreign policy creds are based on the fact that she can see Russia from her house on a clear day, and many other charlatans and grifters of whom Catherine Crabill is my personal favorite. She is filled with hate, anger, and venom while spewing Constitutional theory based on her high school diploma education. If you are reading this, Catherine, please explain what the Framers intended with the 9th Amendment. Neither Democrats, Republicans, nor Supreme Court Justices have been able to figure it our. But you, I am certain, have talking points for how the Tea Party would restore its powers.

            Do I want the Boehners, Jebs, and Christies on the frontline. Yes, as a matter of fact I do. They understand the art of picking your fights and compromising for what you can get when you know you can’t win.

            Thank you for mentioning my military service. It was my distinct honor to serve and I wish that all true patriots would take a few years out of their lives to perform public service. It gives you a totally new perspective on the values of this enduring republic that we enjoy.

    • CVA Patriot

      How did president McCain do? President Romney is awesome by the way. So yeah, it’s just OUR candidates that bomb.

      • Turtles Run

        McCain and Romney were doomed before the general election even started. Instead of running on platforms that appealed to moderates and independents they instead had to run on a platform that appealed to the far right wing. They may have bombed on the national stage but the tea nuts did not even make it past their own supporters.

        I was a McCain supporter in 2000 and in 2008 till the day he nominated a far right wing nit-wit that was as dumb as a sack of hammers and less useful. Romney has a perfect candidate that was also appealing to many voters, even some Democrats but then he morphed into “Severely Conservative” avenger and that was that. Huntsman would have had my vote and the Obama campaign considered him their one true threat. Instead, the who can be more conservative race launched and even though it was pure comedy gold it also scared the carp out of most people that one of the TP clowns could actually have access to nukes.

        • AmyH

          Soooo not true. It was not their positions that changed. They are both some of the biggest RINOS out there. The only thing that changed was how the liberal media portrayed them after they won their nominations.

          • Turtles Run

            Are you kidding. Romney once championed his health care plan as a model for the nation but was forced to run away from those remarks. And the whole liberal media thing is such BS. It is the same excuse used by the right and left when their candidates or politicians they support get busted for their stupidity. The media did not make Romney say his 47% comments or Ryan look like a jack-a$$ for busting into a soup kitchen and start scrubbing clean dishes.

          • AmyH

            So you are saying that Masscare was a “moderate” program worthy of emulation by Republicans. That is an… mmmm… interesting definition of “moderate” that we will have to disagree on. I don’t even know what your other two examples have to do with Romney (or Ryan for that matter) being forced to be less moderate.

            And Huntsman? Obama did not appear the least bit scared of him because he was in no way a Republican who could win. Now if he had run as what he actually is… a Democrat… Obama might have been scared.

          • Turtles Run

            Lets see RomneyCare was proposed by a moderate Republican, supported by other Republicans, and was proposed as a viable health care plan for the nation by the “Severely Conservative” Mitt Romney. So when he ran for office in 2012 he was forced to run from his previous stances because he never would have received the nomination. But he went to far to the right to make an effective general election shift to the center.

            In primaries you have to appeal more to the base whether it is the left or right but you have to be careful not to go “full retard.” The fact that I need to explain it to you demonstrates why far right/left candidates will never win general elections on a national scale.

            As for Huntsman he refused to play the far right wing crazy dance and so he failed to win his parties nomination. But if he had he would have been able to appeal to more than just the party base and other Republican faithful. He would have pulled in moderates, minorities, and women. Groups that generally sided with the President.

        • Britt Howard

          Far right platform? McCain & Romney???
          ROFL!!!!!!!!!!”
          HAHAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

        • CVA Patriot

          Jon Huntsman was your answer to Obama in 2012? Wow.

    • Downstater

      Cuccinelli only lost by 2 1/2% against a number of factors, including being way outfundraised, the then governor scandal, and gov. shutdown. Tmac lost the 1st time around to, the to the guy that lost to the winner.

  • TheLizard3211223

    Hmmm… Hypocrite much?

    As a DC insider and Labor Union representative, we should listen to “Private Citizen” Schoeneman when he tells us who is a “good man and a good Republican”. And especially when he tells us who is not (grassroots activists, Travis Witt, Jamie Radtke, John Pudner, Ken Cuccinelli, and “many others”).

    I have to agree when Schoeneman says you can’t manage the party when you’re tearing it down from the inside – maybe he should direct that message to Eric Cantor and his top consultant Ray Allen, who has promised to continue doing just that (see http://pjmedia.com/davidsteinberg/exclusive-eric-cantors-top-aide-ill-bankrupt-virginia-gop-install-allies-rebuild-it-with-cantors-donor-cash/?singlepage=true).

    For myself, I will condemn the rude behavior of some of the 7th district convention attendees during Cantor’s speech. It was rather unseemly. As far as his accusations against Cuccinelli using “resources and staffing” for state central races – I’d suggest he trot out some evidence of wrong-doing first.

    I’ll respond with evidence that Bolling and other actively sabotaged the Republican candidates in Virginia’s state-wide elections in 2013, out of pure vindictiveness. Intra-party fighting is one thing, but Schoeneman is defending people that joined with Democrats to defeat members of their own party. And he has the gall to call that “taking a principled stance”.

  • Lawrence Wood

    A good progressive boilerplate missive, its the other “guy” that was the problem, its all lies and innuendo, the opposition are all haters while I’m a self-righteous defender of others rights (excluding of course the opinions I disagree with) and did I mention its just all empty rhetoric anyway. The truly pathetic part it looks more like a Harry Reid staffer missive directed at those stupid Republicans then a fellow party member trying to present a reasoned case for Cantor and his political operatives.

    • Britt Howard

      There is a whole lot of projection going on. It is only flouting the rule of law evidently when a legal move they claim not to be legal trumps their first move that they even concede to be unfair.

      It is only hurting the party and attacking fellow Republicans if you act in self-defense when they declared war on you, removed Congressmen from chairs/committees, and attempt to burn the grassroots by slating them out of chosen representation.

      Political war: Don’t want one? Don’t start one.

  • Marta D. Saltus

    For whatever is worth, I’d like to share my experience as part of the Cuccinelli move in 2012. He in fact did spearhead slates that ran together for SCC, committee chairs and RNC delegates that year. How do I know? Because I was recruited to run as part as one of those slates in the 8th congressional district. I personally campaigned and recruited convention delegates that would support the selected slate, and his camp did a fanstastic jobe at getting their people elected to SCC.

    • TheLizard3211223

      There is a difference between bringing people in, and forcibly excluding them. Cuccinelli was recruiting, he did not do exclusionary slating like is being done this year. No one was denied a vote back then. This year, at least 1300 people, including candidates in the race, were denied their opportunity to vote.

      • Marta D. Saltus

        Agreed, and I believe that’s the crux of the problem here.

  • MD Russ

    Point well taken, Brian. There is an old expression, “if you sleep with dogs then you will get fleas.” The Virginian Republicans have been inclusive of the Tea Party under the mistaken belief that the TP represents a compatible conservative viewpoint. The fact is that they are a bunch of anti-government nihilists who deny the very need for an organized society. And now the Republican Party is flea-bitten. It is going to take several flea dips to rid the RPVA of the infestation. The 2013 elections were the first dip and it apparently didn’t take.

  • CVA Patriot

    Brian, you may like Eric Cantor and you have every right to do so. However, you live a long ways from the 7th district. The reason you are seeing the anger directed towards Eric Cantor is because he represents DC, not the 7th district of Virginia. You pull up your soap box and pound the podium for the people within the district to appreciate what they have. Well, explain to me what we have? Because living here, I can tell you, unless you are willing to stroke a rather large check, or, take a morning out of an already busy work week and still stroke a rather large check, there is no access to Eric Cantor. He holds no town halls. He doesn’t meet with residents unless it’s in a controled setting of his choosing. So sorry if the actual people Cantor supposdley represents are a little tired of not having any access to the person who is supposed to SERVE us. As to why he got booed, well what I’ve stated above is a major factor, but when you know already that your district is loaded with people who are Tea Party/Liberty/Evangelical alligned and you constantly poke them in the eye, or have you proxies do the dirty work for you, the first time you actually expose yourself to them he shouldn’t be suprised at the anger. And you shouldn’t be suprised either. But what do you care? Cantor doesn’t represent your district, so you don’t care about his actual representation of the 7th district. Also, as little as a week ago, you were thumbing your nose at all the “nativist” here in the 7th because your boy Cantor was going to bulldoze us back to our caves. What happened to that tune you were singing?

    • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

      I thumb my noses at all nativists, regardless of where they are. If you don’t think Cantor is representing you, that’s a valid reason to criticize him. Most of the reasons people are using to complain are not valid.

      • CVA Patriot

        Cantor has never faced a legimate challenger before. He got spooked two years ago against Floyd Bane. Let that sink in for a minute. I actually got mailers from the Cantor Camp tearing apart Floyd Bane. That’s where your “steady handed” leader is in the self-confidence department. So if he’s your choice to carry on the fight against the progressive machine, good luck. Because if he survives this challenge and if he becomes speaker of the house, is the man who will be in charge of crafting the message to counter the cutthroats on the left.

        • WorriedinVA

          David Brat seems like a nice guy, but I worry about his accomplishments. He has degrees in history, divinity, economics – lucky for him his Dad could do this. He now works as a professor – that’s a 7 to 8 month work-year. If he had accomplished something in the private sector and had proven to me that he has worked hard – very hard – for a business, for employees, for a cause, I might lean his way. I just don’t see it. So…..we remove the majority leader for a college professor? Not this time around.

          • CVA Patriot

            I could give a rip about his leadership status. I live in the 7th district, Eric Cantor has done a terrible job in representing this district, in my opinion. I now have a viable alternative to replace him. I will vote according to my belief system. Leadership positions be damned. If Brat wins and does what Cantor has done in representing my district, I will vote for the person who runs against him at that point. My anger is not against Eric Cantor the private citizen, it’s against a politician who I find myself dissatisfied with. Also, are you telling me there aren’t more articulate and courageous House Republicans to fill the void left by Cantor should he lose?

          • AmyH

            Henserling comes to mind.

          • AmyH

            What good is having a leadership position if you ignore not only your constituents but your caucus. The last thing we need is Cantor having any more power than he has… it will not go well for conservatives (read about his calling for a voice vote on the Doc Fix for medicare which he called for after the majority of republicans had left to House floor) or the other times he has ignored his caucus to pass liberal bail outs and spending with the help of willing Democrats.

            Also, the only business experience that Cantor had before he decided to make a career out of being a politician was working as a lawyer for his dad’s business. I figure getting employment at a college not owned by a relative should count at least as much.

            In the end you are left with Eric Cantor who talks a good game and then betrays conservative values (TARP, VAWA, etc.) and Dave Brat who has been very consistent in his conservative values in a environment (academia) that usually punishes such values.

      • Rednecksrule

        Ah the union lobbyists speaks.. Got a question for you. When people who oppose amnesty are gone from the GOP as many are on the verge of leaving once you pass it, who will replace us? All of those natural conservatives from south of the border. Hey lobbyist name one non socialist country between Texas and Pantagonia…

        • Turtles Run

          Considering that Texas is part of a socialist why do we need to leave our border? The US is a modern industrialized nation and like all nations in the first world socialism is necessary for a functioning society. Obviously, our version of socialism is a lite version compared to Germany or France and especially compared to Norway or Sweden but make no mistake we are socialists.

          • Rednecksrule

            Well.. this drive to pass amnesty at all costs for these establishment GOP clowns like this guy, a lackey for Eric Cantor, which is mostly coming from corporations who will make these guys wealthy for their efforts is the end of any sort of socialism lite. The tens of millions of new Democrat voters ushered in are going to want real socialism. Obamacare? You’ll get single payer. Any other vestige of conservativism be it fiscal or social? Gone. A voting bloc of the magnitude that the Democrats are going to have will swamp anything else… it will be a one party country like Mexico. Pretty scary future that morons like this guy and that Kenney are ushering in…I don’t even blame the Democrats but they are not stupid like these guys.

          • AmyH

            Socialism is not necessary for a functioning society. You are part of the problem if you think it is.

          • Turtles Run

            OK, name one industrialized nation that does not use any type or level of socialism.

          • AmyH

            Hong Kong became one of the wealthiest places on earth with hardly a social program or any sort of wealth redistribution in sight (and remarkably did it while a protectorate of Great Britain while same was turning into a socialist state). Of particular note was the guy who was sent to oversee economic recovery after WWII, John Cowperthwaite. When he got there, he found it recovering quite nicely on its own and refused to interfere. Moreover, he refused to collect economic data because he did not want other bureaucrats to interfere either. Of that economy and economies in general, he said

            “….in the long run the aggregate of decisions of individual
            businessmen, exercising individual judgment in a free economy, even if
            often mistaken, is less likely to do harm than the centralized decisions
            of a government; and, certainly the harm is likely to be counteracted
            faster.”

            Every one of our Congressmen and Senator should have to write that 1,000 times (or until the message sinks in) before they are allowed to make any decisions that affect their constituents. President “you didn’t build that” ought to have it forcefully tattooed backwards on his forehead so he has to read it every time he looks in a mirror.

            For a quite interesting article on Hong Kong, see http://thewhitedsepulchre.blogspot.com/2012/07/why-i-am-libertarian-hong-kong.html

          • Turtles Run

            Well Hong Kong is a good choice and as long as you do not include education, social welfare programs, government control of 75% of land, rent control, and healthcare then you made a good point.

            Somalia might be a better choice for you.

            I love that “you didn’t build that” slogan. It was especially great to see the GOP presidential convention with all those “free market” supporters chanting mindlessly in a building funded with public money.

        • Kblankenship7

          Chile.

      • Matt G.

        What is a nativist Mr Schoeneman? Unless you can tell me you are ok with al-Qaeda, AQIM, Talibani, etc. coming through our souther border, I won’t consider you a nativist too.

      • Donna Jenkins Holt

        I use to support Eric Cantor and even walked precincts for him until recent years when he decided his constituents no longer mattered.

        • CVA Patriot

          Cantor abandoned the 7th district the second the Republicans took all three branches under Bush. That was the time to see what he was all about, and it wasn’t about the 7th. It was about advancing himself as fast as he could. I’m with you Donna, Eric Cantor will never receive my support again.

      • Downstater

        So now we are being called names for expecting the rule of law to be enforced. And it would be bad enough if it were a liberal Dem. calling us names, but no, it is a person who calls himself a Republican.

      • Downstater

        So Mr. Schoeneman expects us to comply with the new party directive of the year, that if we expect the rule of law to be upheld and are concerned with our country being overrun with too many illegal, we are not disloyal. What about choosing a party who supports our views? Of course Mr. Schoenemen isn’t worried about not finding a job due to the influx of too many illegals, or of rising taxes in N. VA to send all the illegals kids to school, or of slots not going to legal VA residens, or of the cost of services to illegals. When is enough enough? The immigration rate is now unchecked. For most of our country’s history, it was controlled according to what could be absorbed, and there were quotas, and a fair system for legal immigrants.

  • Turbocohen

    Don’t bother asking any of the people who Eric Cantor disenfranchised from becoming a member of the party any time soon, they are disgusted with how they were treated and have not forgotten. How can we win when units such as Virginia Beach have successfully pared down the membership to just 120 members? Eric Cantor has waged war and now you don’t like the fighting going on, me neither. Bring him home.

    • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

      Why were they participating in a Republican nominating contest if they were not Republican?

      • AmyH

        First, the people who were disenfranchised were Republicans.

        Second, why do you support open primaries if you don’t want anyone who is not Republican participating in a Republican nominating contest?

        As someone who supports conventions for that very reason, I am curious.

        • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

          Nobody was disenfranchised. To be disenfranchised, your vote must be taken away. Even at it’s worst, slating only happens after a vote. Those who were slated off were simply not elected as delegates. It happens. It doesn’t mean you’re disenfranchised, it means you weren’t elected.

          Regardless, I didn’t say anything about not wanting anyone who is not Republican participating in a Republican nominating contest. What I asked Turbo is why he thinks that many of the folks who were slated off weren’t Republicans? I can’t think of a more awful recruiting tool than a convention. Given how hard it is to get rank and file Republicans to show up at a convention, I find it even harder to believe that non-Republicans were showing up and will be turned off because they weren’t elected delegates.

          I support primaries (I want them closed, but will taken open until we can get them closed) because they give the widest number of Republicans a chance to participate. You can’t slate a primary, and the rules are set and the races administered impartially. The boogeyman of Democrats influencing our process is not worth the price we pay in excluding Republicans who want to participate.

          • Turbocohen

            In what parallel universe does slating NOT take away your vote, when you oppose slating? Yeah, I will throw in the nazi political rise invective here, and what kind of tactics got them elected?

            Here we go again..
            Myth: Slating does not take your vote away.
            Fact: Slating uses back room deals, not everyones votes, to come to or stay power.
            Myth: Democracy elected Hitler to power.
            Fact: Hitler used backroom deals, not everyones votes, to come to power.

            In both cases, the voter was forcibly subordinate to the political machine and the people lost.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            Turbo, how does slating happen? A vote of the mass meeting called to elect delegates to the convention. A majority of the folks at the mass meeting had to vote in favor of the slating. There was always a majority vote, so people who opposed slating got a chance to vote no. There’s no disenfranchisement there.

            And your history is off. Hitler came to power through the dysfunctional Weimar electoral process. Sure,there was plenty of voter intimidation, but don’t pretend that the Nazi party wasn’t very popular in 1933.

      • Turbocohen

        ALL of the democrats that Cantors YG Virginia supported candidate brought to the convention did one thing, vote for their guy, and that included all of the city employees stacked behind VB mayor Republican Will Sessoms who unless I am terribly mistaken endorsed Mark Warner, Jody Wagner and Terry McAuliffe. Many of the Republicans were there to support Republicans whether they were members or not.. or planning on joining which was thwarted by the RPVB chairman and his YG Virginia coached cronies. Brian, you deny all you want, Cantors actions are disgusting and unjewishlike.

        • Britt Howard

          You are not terribly mistaken. You are terribly correct.

      • Britt Howard

        Yes, why was Mayor Will Sessoms who endorsed Mark Warner, Jody Wagner, and Mark Warner there to help Eric Cantor’s lieutenant Frank Wagner. Why was he there if he prefers Democrats? Brian from your view all the way north, do tell me why Democrats and GOP turn coats were there.

        • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

          You’ll have to ask him, Britt.

  • AmyH

    So let me get this right… if Cantor does not get to get to keep the seat that he considers to be his (its not, it belongs to the citizens of the 7th district) then the people who didn’t vote for him aren’t just expressing a wish to go another way with someone who might better represent their values (no amnesty, piecemeal or otherwise, for instance); those people instead are h8trs who don’t deserve to have their voices represented.

    And never mind that Cantor is wildly misrepresenting his stance on important issues AND his opponent’s record. Never mind his bullying of his caucus to pass things like the re-authorization of the Violence Against Women Act (because some Americans deserve more protection and other Americans don’t deserve to be treated equally under the law because they have penises). Never mind that he continually ignores his constituents’ opposition to amnesty to continually push (and push and push) to get amnesty in through the back door. Etc., etc…

    Also never mind, his financing of a push to disenfranchise pre-filed Republican delegates across the state who might not support his vision of the Party’s future… a move which, in the 5th district, the District Committee ruled was contrary to both state party rules and Robert’s Rules of Order and which you admit is unfair even as you defend it. A move that, in the 7th district, failed and caused such resentment that Cobb ended up being punished for it.

    • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

      We will see what the majority of Cantor’s constituents think about the job that he’s doing on June 10th. But, frankly, your comments are exactly what I am talking about in this post. Almost nothing you’ve written here is accurate.

      Cantor didn’t write the Violence Against Women Act reauthorization, and he didn’t bully anybody to get it passed. He voted AGAINST it. That 87 other Republicans voted for it wasn’t the result of him whipping the bill in favor. As for the nonsense about amnesty, I haven’t seen a single proposal from Cantor for anything approaching amnesty. The KIDS Act he drafted with Bob Goodlatte was just about kids, not about other illegal immigrants, and there was nothing approaching amnesty. And for all the fears you all have about amnesty, there’s been zero movement toward an actual bill in the House so far this year. There won’t be until December, if at all.

      You can’t complain about wildly misrepresenting Brat’s record while wildly misrepresenting Cantor’s.

      • Downstater

        The “kids” are up to 30 years old, and that was as of about 2 years ago, so now some of them will be 32. It just sends the message to another horde of parents that it is okay to bring and dump their kids on our society and have them educated and provided for at our expenses, it’s okay. If my father had robbed a bank and stashed the loot for my future benefit, should I get to keep it because it wasn’t my fault?

        • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

          No, but neither should you be punished for it, which is what would happen if those folks were deported.

          I’m sorry that you can’t seem to have any empathy for these people.

          • AmyH

            It is not punishing them to make them go back to the countries where the are ACTUALLY citizens. No one is advocating throwing them in jail.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            Those kids don’t have a country to go back to. That’s the point. Most of them have never been to the places where they are “citizens,” they don’t speak the language, don’t know the culture, and have been raised as Americans. They’re as American as you or me. They don’t deserve to be deported because their parents broke the law.

            Again, I don’t get the unwillingness to have even the slightest bit of empathy for these people.

          • AmyH

            They are not as American as you and me… they are not Americans at all. They are here illegally. If they want to be Americans, they can go back to their country of origin and get in line to legally emigrate. Until then, they are breaking the law.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            There is more to being American than being born a natural citizen.

            If they were brought here as infants by their parents illegal, were raised here, went to school here, speak English, have never known any other culture but ours – they’re essentially Americans, other than being citizens. It’s not their fault that their parents broke the law.

            Again, if you can’t empathize with that, I’m sorry.

          • AmyH

            The is a way to become American if you are not a natural born citizen. Like I said, they can avail themselves of that way from their home country. Until then, they are knowingly breaking the law.

            Also, it is clear you have never associated yourself with immigrants legal or otherwise if you think these individuals do not know their native language and culture. This is beside the point to me, but appeals to emotion do not and should not take the place of reasoned argument.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            My in-laws are immigrants. My wife is first generation.

            I’m not trying to appeal to emotion – I’m trying to appeal to fairness. You can’t expect that a person who was brought here as a child, with no memories of where they came from, no ties to that place, that it’s fair to send them back there simply because their parents broke the law. It makes no sense. We’ve spent money to educate these people, so why would we send them back to benefit their parent’s countries? I would rather they stay here, get citizenship and contribute back what they’ve been given.

            This is pure, reasoned argument. I’m not sure what your argument is based on, other than the misguided belief that we have the ability to deport millions of people without turning the country into a police state to do it.

          • sparkyva

            We would benefit tremendously if we sent them back Brian. You are using liberal arguments on a Republican site. Are you one of those DIRC’s (Democrats in Republican Clothes)? Should all these well educated people be sent back to say Mexico, we might see a reform of the Mexican Government and they would stop being an ever bleeding wound to our south. You would enable the Mexican Government to remain a government of the powerful just as you want our government to be. Your logic is short sited and only to protect your power.

          • Turbocohen

            Want to see a room full of proud Americans? Go to a naturalization ceremony. Some of the BEST Americans emigrated.

          • http://saraforamerica.com/ Sara James

            Yes, they did it LEGALLY if they went through a naturalization ceremony.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            I would rather that we not spend American taxpayer dollars to educate folks to send back to Mexico or anywhere else. I’m guessing you’re probably one if those folks who doesn’t like it when we intervene in the affairs if foreign countries, so I’m amused that you think doing so in Mexico is a good idea.

            It’s also amusing that you assume that every DREAM act kid is Mexican.

            This is why we get called racists on this issue.

          • sparkyva

            You assume way too much and blow off anything you can’t answer – what my crowd calls an EMPTY SUIT. Another term come to mind is an apologist for those in power that are doing wrong. I am sure your job is quite rewarding…

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            What exactly am I assuming? If you support interventions in other countries, feel free to say so. If you don’t, then say you don’t. I don’t support the idea of spending taxpayer dollars to educate people and then shipping them off to foreign countries. And since we are constitutionally required to educate these kids, I’d rather they stay here, as citizens, and pay back the benefits they’ve received – like any other taxpayer.

            You are what my crowd calls “anonymous.”

          • sparkyva

            You assumed interventionism when I suggested that they return to their own country and fix ti. That is not interventionism. Either you are stupid or willfully ignorant of the meanings of words. You are commenting all over the place here so you have way too much time on your hands suggesting that you are looking for employment and trying to show off how you can spin anything your way. This is not a serious discussion of the facts, nor have you demonstrated skill at logic. Therefore if you walk like a liberal, and you quack like a liberal. Logic says you are a liberal.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            Raising a bunch of kids to have American values, giving them an American education paid for by American tax dollars and then shipping them to Mexico and having them “fix” the Mexican government isn’t intervention? You didn’t say “their own country” – you said Mexico. Because, of course, all illegal immigrants are Mexican. Right.

            If some other country was doing that to us, I think most people would have a problem with it and they would certainly call it intervention.

            I’m responding to comments on my blog on a column I wrote. I have three jobs and I certainly don’t need or have time for any more.

            You’re right – this isn’t a serious discussion of the facts, because you have yet to actually produce any. We’re having a discussion of opinions. I’m not a liberal, but again, thanks for playing. As for logic, I don’t think you really know what the word means.

          • AmyH

            Why are we spending tax dollars at all for that. Legal residence in the US ought to be a prerequisite for being allowed to attend a public school.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982).

          • sparkyva

            Brian, is your house big enough to house say 25 young kids? The youth of the world would like to live with you because you are so kind and nice. Or maybe you really believe in what you say and would be willing to set up an orphanage for hundreds or thousands of young “dreamers”. Good for you. There are millions of young kids dreaming of coming to America. Since reason and logic don’t play a part in your decisions, then there is no limit to how many kids can move in. May I have your home address, and I will help advertise your generosity. Just don’t use my funds, I have my own family and friends to take care of, and of course, I am a racist because I don’t agree with your premise that we can take in the whole world.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            Reason and logic play a role in all my decisions, but I also don’t ignore compassion either.

            Once you’ve paid your taxes, the money isn’t yours anymore.

            You are only a racist if you don’t want these kids here because of their race or ethnicity.

          • sparkyva

            That is a very telling statement: “Once you’ve paid your taxes, the money isn’t yours anymore.” Underneath those words is the concept that government is not responsible to the people a very unamerican concept that the liberals spout. It is my money and I hold my representatives responsible for how they spend it. The Constitution was written in the form of a “Trust” document of the 1700′s. They are trustees of the people and not free to act anyway they please.

            As far as racists, the party of racism is the democratic party, always has been always will be. If you are black and want to run for office in a white district, you have to run as a republican to have any chance of being elected. With the one exception of Obama, this has always been the case. To the Democrat: black people need a black person to represent them, white people need a white person to represent them. That is separate but equal. Republicans apply the MLK test: they look at Character before race.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            Actually, what it means is exactly what it means – government is responsible to the people, because the government is the people. And if the people’s representatives vote to spend taxpayer dollars on this humanitarian crisis, then they’ve done the people’s will – and if you disagree, you can vote them out.

            What you don’t get to do is earmark your tax dollars for programs you like or veto their being spent on things you don’t like. To pretend that tax dollars are still yours after you’ve paid them isn’t rational or logical. It’s an emotional response.

            I agree with you on the Democratic party, but this issue makes us look like the racists. How we talk about these issues is important, and too many people are sounding like something out of the 50s. It’s not a good thing.

          • sparkyva

            You are setting up strawmen that I didn’t propose for the purpose of proving your point. The point of withholding tax dollars is “the power of the purse” and has been given to the house of Representatives. I have known many government workers, and, excepting some representatives and senators and their staffs, most of the rest are not overworked. Reducing the budget for the IRS is possibly going to reduce income, but it will also send a message that abuse of power has consequences. It has happened before in my lifetime that congress sent such a message to the IRS for being too intrusive.
            But we are facing a different problem now, where the leadership of our executive branch has gone way beyond the limits of discretion, and chooses which laws to enforce based on his political agenda, and not the will of Congress and the People. It is a sick joke how often we have been promised boarder security and paid the bill only to be defrauded.
            To pass any immigration reform now in such an atmosphere of distrust is not possible. Too many of us believe that the President would cherry pick what parts of the law to enforce and forget the parts he doesn’t like. With such distrust, I don’t expect anything to happen.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            That I can agree with.

          • Downstater

            Exactly, I am used to seeing these arguments used by liberals. There are like 6 billion people in the world, at the rate we are going, almost all of them would probably like to come here, and bring their kids, because of course they know no one will want to deport the kids. Where does it end. Brian, do you think this country can absorb everyone in the world who wants to come here? What would our country look like then?

          • Downstater

            Were your family members illegal or legal immigrants? Do you believe that amnesty, “path to citizenship” or whatever you want to call it is fair to all those who had to go through the cumbersome process, paying fees, taxes, going to immigration interviews, etc.? Do you think that some who have been waiting for years to come here have others allowed to cut in line and get ahead of them simply because they are of a certain ethnic group, and they went around the laws and just came here anyway?

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            My in-laws were legal. Most of my family has been here for a couple hundred years. I think that we can develop a system that is fair and better than the one we have now. What it looks like depends on how we craft it.

          • Downstater

            Brian, I think the point is that I wish to give my support to a party and to candidates who represent my interests and do not sell me out to law breakers who I feel are turning my own country against me and who work to the detriment of my family. It has been quite distressing to see the United States of America turned into a country in which white generational Americans are regarded with contempt, and now my home state (Yes, VA), has elected representatives who regard me and my family with contempt.

            You seem to be saying in many of your posts that because Cuch/Obie lost, we conservatives should change our
            social/political views to fit the way that the wind is blowing today. If the Republican team had won last year, would your liberal, lecturing, tone by less
            strident?

          • Downstater

            Addressing Brian further,

            As far as Eric Cantor goes, I had believed that he was a representative who would fight for me and my interests against the interests of the left, but now I’m feeling dejected and dumped in favor of illegal immigrants and bail outs for Wall Street banks. I don’t know if Brat is the one to remind him of his responsibility to his district, and I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH BOOING THE MAN at the primary, but at least the 7th district of VA has a backbone and I can be proud of it as a Virginian, even though I unfortunately do not presently live in the 7th.

            ps. the 6th district is great too. The 8th sucks.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            This is why we get called racists.

            I don’t want you to change your views because somebody lost an election. I want you to change your views because you’ve thought about it, weighed the evidence, and realize that you are wrong. The only contempt I see here is coming from you – for me, for immigrants both legal and illegal, and for anybody who dares to point out when you’re engaging in bad behavior.

          • Downstater

            Whether or not I am “wrong” is a matter of opinion. I do not believe we should reward law breakers. You apparently do. Your opinion. Don’t make it into an absolute. That sounds like something the liberal do. I want a party and a state that supports my values and has my back, not one that expects me to change my values every time a new directive is issued out of Party Central.

            This is what this blog is for – to discuss politics and opine in a forum. My opinion is that you are wrong, and are encouraging “bad behavior”, but I’m not holding my breath for you to suddenly change and “see the light” of my position.

            Thanks for the link to the article “Nativism vs. Conservatism” of about a month ago. Seems like many people share my point of view. I am still reading the many comments.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            There is no light in your position. Your position is just the same old mixture of self-righteous nonsense and stubbornness that has been a stumbling block for any kind of resolution to these issues for years now.

            Your only values here seem to be a desire to throw out anybody who doesn’t look or sound like you, and label anybody who finds that attitude abhorrent “liberal.” Enjoy wading through the muck that was the comments section on that thread. Those are your people.

          • AmyH

            I may be out of line for answering for Downstater but it is an answer for me also. An objection to illegal immigration is not an objection to “anybody who does not look or sound like you”. It is not racist to expect people to follow the rules. Nor is it racist to expect them to give up all allegiance to their home country (as required by their citizenship oath) after they come here legally and seek citizenship (with the learning of English and civics that is required for that). You dismissing positions counter to yours so cavalierly will not get you any closer to understanding Downstater’s points.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            I understand his points. And I reject them. Nobody is arguing in favor of illegal immigration. I object to it also. But I also object to the rickety immigration system that we’ve crafted that doesn’t work and I want it to be reformed. This isn’t that hard a concept. And what this has to do with my original post, I don’t know. You people are obsessed with illegal immigration.

          • Downstater

            Before you decide that you know my values and that they are “wrong”, you’d probably be surprised to learn who I currently favor for Rep. candidate in 2016 – Bobby Jindal (gasp). He doesn’t get a free pass from me for being ethnic, but I like and agree with him so far on most issues, and hope to campaign for him here in VA.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            I can only go by the values you’ve ascribed to here.

          • Turtles Run

            Brian

            These comments by many here, that make up a too large of a percentage of the GOP base, are exactly why minorities of all walks are leaving the party. Asians that were once reliable Republican voters are now voting Democrat and Cubans are beginning to swing their votes as well.

            Reasonable people would ask why and as you can see on these boards it is not hard to understand. When minority groups see other minority groups marginalized or scapegoated they realize the same could happen to them.

            They was a time when Republicans celebrated people that risked their lives to come here and better themselves. I guess the sign on the Statue of Liberty needs to be replaced with a Keep Out sign.

          • Rednecksrule

            Asians were never reliable Republican voters.. what planet are you living on?

          • Turtles Run

            Earth. It is nice here you should join us sometime.

          • Kblankenship7

            I know Fillipinos tend to vote GOP, but also cannot remember a time when other asian groups were solidly GOP. Maybe the Vietnamese?

          • Rednecksrule

            Engaging in bad behavior… you mean like breaking immigration laws and burdening the US taxpayer with you and your family?

          • AmyH

            Downstater has not said one harsh word about legal immigrants nor is he (she?) “engaging in bad behavior”

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            Downstater has been saying negative things about immigrants, both legal and illegal, for a while now in a various threads across the site.

          • Downstater

            Just how many immigrants who were brought here as children, plus their parents, cousins, siblings, etc. and all the rest of the village, do you believe we can absorb? There are not enough jobs for Americans now. In the past we had quotas and controls on immigration, so that we weren’t inundated before we could absorb them all, and that was in a time when the country was expanding, which it is not now. Job growth in not keeping pace with jobs needed, young Americans are getting out of college and not getting jobs, and immigrants are driving wages down, now it may not be their fault, but it is not fair to be taking from those who have fought for this country for generations, and just hand everything to those who just came in on tourist visas with no intend to go back or who crossed the border illegally. IS THAT FAIR?

          • AmyH

            Fair is enforcing the laws equally. How is it fair to legal immigrants and to those waiting in line and following the rules to become legal immigrants to allow amnesty to those who jumped the line whatever their age when they got here.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            Nobody is arguing for amnesty. I don’t think most legal immigrants are going to begrudge someone who is brought here has a child through no fault of their own from having a path to citizenship.

          • AmyH

            You can call it whatever you want, it is still amnesty. Excusing bad behavior is not only unfair to the people who are behaving but encourages more of same.

          • Downstater

            Somehow their parents adjusted to this new land and language when they came here, why can’t the kids readjust back to their native countries?

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            They shouldn’t have to. This is the point. There’s no good reason to send them back. There are a lot of bad reasons, but no good ones.

          • Downstater

            By what “right” to they have to come here and demand everything at our expense? It didn’t seem to bother their parents to come live in a foreign country (the US), plotting that if they could sneak their kids in, the kids would then get to stay. This was by design, and the current non-enforcement of our laws encourages law breaking. If we exempt the current batch from deportation, you can bet that there will be double or triple the influx in the next batch.

          • Downstater

            Do you want this country to resemble Mexico and El Salvador in another decade or two? Parts of it already do, with drugs, gangs, machete fights in the parking lots like in PW Co., hostility towards the English speaking heritage that built this country, and trafficing of women.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            This is why we get called racists.

          • Downstater

            Forget the name calling, Brian. Do you want this country to resemble el Salvador and mexico and to have their socio-economic problems, or not?

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            This country is never going to resemble either of those countries, regardless of what we do about immigration reform. Just like it didn’t turn into Germany, Ireland, Scotland, Italy, Poland, or any of the other European countries we let a folks emigrate from.

          • AmyH

            You have not addressed my point to you yesterday that a welfare state makes open immigration fundamentally unworkable. When this country got waves of immigrants in the past, they got private charity help from mutual aid societies to help them get set up but then they had to make it on their own or go home. There were no WIC/food stamps/TANF/medicaid/medicare/childcare subsidies/housing subsidies to attract people who would not work or could not work and had no family to support them. You came here, you worked, you made a better life for you family. There was no expectation that they were owed anything by the state or by their neighbors.

            That is no longer the case.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            I didn’t address your point because your point has nothing to do with this conversation. Nobody is advocating for open immigration. And as for illegal immigration, welfare isn’t what is drawing these people here. It’s the jobs that they are being paid illegally to do that draws these people here.

          • AmyH

            It has everything to do with the argument.

          • Downstater

            Brian, My stance on immigration is basically that of Mitt Romney and Ken Cuccinelli, our most recent national and state candidates. So the party is going to be having to purge quite a few people who share views that were acceptable to the party leadership less than a year ago. And there is no guarantee it is going to make up the difference with those hispanics and other immigrant advocates who can actually vote. But if this is your plan, you have a battle on your hands, as exemplified by the David Brat insurgency.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            Nobody needs to be purged. What needs to happen is that we start having real discussions on these issues that aren’t larded up with racial undertones and electoral map considerations. We shouldn’t base policy decisions on politics. Either it’s right or it’s wrong. We need immigration reform, and we can debate what it looks like. What we don’t need is a discussion of immigration reform that centers on talk of welfare, ethnicity or the like.

          • Downstater

            When you say that I am now unwelcome to door knock, campaign
            for the party, and your friend Mr. Kenney talks about “driving out”
            those whom he calls “nativists”, (ie: more or less everyone in the
            party who opposes “comprehensive immigration reform.”), what would you call it?

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            I would call it asking you to stop hurting the party.

          • AmyH

            First you are starting from an unproven and dubious assertion (We need immigration reform*).

            Second, you basically seem to want a discussion that ignores actual facts and relies instead on? What? Hopie-changieness and unicorn farts?

            It is a fact that our hospital ERs and social services are overburdened already because of illegal aliens. LA County in Cali all by itself spent over $650 million dollars on welfare benefits to illegal aliens in 2013. Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich was quoted in a CBS Los Angeles article saying “When you add the $550 million for public safety and nearly $500 million
            for healthcare, the total cost for illegal immigrants to county
            taxpayers exceeds $1.6 billion dollars a year,”. Multiply that number many, many times to capture the cost of illegal immigration and realize that these costs can only skyrocket if illegals are granted amnesty and allowed to bring more burdens into the system in the form of relatives from back home.

            Per Wikipedia: “According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 57% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 21% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America, 13% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe and Canada; and 3% were from Africa and the rest of the world.”
            So it is a fact, as far as such things can be measured, that 78% of illegal aliens are hispanic. It is not racist to talk about the average illegal alien as being hipanic because, odds are, they happen to be hispanic. This makes sense since it is a whole lot easier to get across land from Mexico or Central America to the US than it is to cross an ocean to get here.

            Also see:

            http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Live-Oak-High-School-Morgan-Hill-Justified-in-Banning-American-Flag-Shirts-for-Safety-Court-Rules-247662911.html

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEChA#Criticism

            http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Aztlan

            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/apr/16/20060416-122222-1672r/?page=all

            http://www.nccivitas.org/2007/illegal-immigration-drugs-gangs-and-crime/

            In closing, you have a different notion of what is right and wrong on this topic than most Republicans… indeed, most Americans.

            * read amnesty here since that is what you really mean even if you refuse to use the word

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman
          • AmyH

            Good job ignoring most of my post but ok.

            If that poll were correct (and not biased by the asking of biased questions and the giving of false choices) we would already have amnesty passed and signed by Obama. Even Cantor (Mr “but KIDS and DREAMS you mean old meanies!?!”) is backpedaling so fast from his “its not amnesty” amnesty that I am surprised he doesn’t have rug burn on his butt.

            You can bet that whatever the Politico says about Republicans is not reflected in the messages going to Representatives’ offices.

          • AmyH

            What is racist about giving you actual facts about some of the consequences of illegal immigration? Not for all illegal aliens but certainly for some. Do research on Mexican gangs in Cali or La Raza or the hostility of some immigrants toward English and the American flag. Calling someone racist because you do not agree with them and do not want to do your due diligence research is stupid and downright Democrat-like.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            I didn’t call Downstater a racist. I noted that the way he was talking about this issue is why all Republicans get called racists. There’s a difference.

          • Downstater

            And whose fault is that? Why should we all pay? there are not enough jobs or resources for Americans now, and we are not just talking about a few individuals, we are talking about millions, and billions of dollars spend on education, housing assistance, medical care, food stamps, and scare in-state tuition slots, and competition eventually for jobs. Where does it end?

            Many of them don’t even want to learn English, want to keep their citizenship in their home countries, and demand that we provide education in their native language.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            Right, because every immigrant, legal or illegal, ends up on welfare.

            This is why we get called racists.

          • Downstater

            Taking away the money Daddy stole is punishing me, isn’t it? I have to live. I had that stolen bank money slated for my college education, and I made the honor role last year, and am really smart, therefore I deserve it. So what if it belonged to someone else? I didn’t rob the bank. So why should I be punished by having it taken away?

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            Nice try, but please stop torturing that poor metaphor. It’s had enough.

          • Warmac9999

            Your metaphor is right on target. The accepted lawbreaking of one generation of illegals is bound to encourage the next. Frankly nobody knows how many illegals are here but what we do know is they come at a cost. I am reminded of the Mexican Lament by a woman named Griego. Look it up sometime. It puts to bed much of the claims made by those who support some type of citizenship no matter how convoluted the argument.

          • Kblankenship7

            Good analogy.

      • AmyH

        He actually did present a version but it got no support… and he did bully the Republicans in the House to pass it (it would have never come up for a vote if he and Boehner had followed the Hastert rule). That he got to vote against it means nothing when it would not have even been brought to the floor without his direct intervention.

        To pull a quote from NRO about the machinations leading up to that vote:

        “In a closed-door conference meeting on Wednesday, Cantor told one GOP member that if they blocked the Senate-passed Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) from coming to the floor, they’d cause “civil war” in the ranks.

        Cantor’s comment irked some Republican aides, who told National Review Online that such strong language is inappropriate. In recent days, some conservatives have been upset about the Senate’s version of VAWA, saying that parts of the bill are unconstitutional.”

        That the DREAM Act and the KIDS act target illegal aliens who were brought here as children does not make it not amnesty (if limited amnesty). Everyone with even half a brain can suss out that that is the camel’s nose in the tent for full amnesty later.

        I did not in any way misrepresent Cantor so, ya, I can complain all I want with a clear conscience.

        As for you “nativist” ad hominem attack on people you disagree with, I will leave you with an idea from Milton Friedman… You can have free immigration or you can have a welfare state but you cannot have both. As soon as the Republicans get rid of a entitlement programs, I will be glad to look at amnesty again.

        Until then, the one thing I think Romney was correct about is that if every employer was forced to use e-verify and was actually punished for hiring illegals, jobs for illegals would dry up and they would self deport.

        • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

          No, he didn’t bully the Republicans in the House to pass it. He made the point – which was entirely valid – that the party was being attacked with the war on women nonsense and there were a large number of Republicans – almost half the caucus – who wanted the bill passed. Boehner didn’t stand in the way because that was the right thing to do. The law was already on the books, this was just the reauthorization, so there was no reason to fight it.

          And no, fixing the DREAM issue isn’t the camel’s nose under the tent. It’s solving an issue that needs to be solved – and if you make it part of a larger reform effort that includes Republican proposals to speed up legal immigration while increasing enforcement, you might actually get something passed. Do we want to solve this problem or not?

          You all are really thin skinned when it comes to the nativist thing. It’s not an ad hominem attack. It’s a description of what these folks believe. If you agree with me that nativism is a bad thing, then you should join me in decrying the nativists in our midst. If you think nativism is fine, then I’m not attacking folks by labeling them that way.

          • AmyH

            There is no immigration problem that needs to be “fixed” other than our politicians refuse to enforce the laws already in place. We are trying our best to fix that by un-electing those politicians who are doing the refusing (Cantor among them).

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            You must be one of the very few people who thinks the status quo is acceptable.

          • AmyH

            The status quo is not acceptable to me… our laws are not being enforced. The solution to that , however, is not to pass more laws but to insist the ones the people we elect not flout those laws because they get some personal gain from non-enforcement. The solution is to fire them if they continue to flout those laws.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            Those laws aren’t being enforced because those laws don’t work, and enforcement is almost impossible. When you find laws that are unenforceable, the right solution isn’t to demand their enforcement, it’s to replace them with laws that work. That’s what immigration reform is about. Not amnesty.

          • AmyH

            They are absolutely not unenforceable… you cannot completely seal the border (although a better job could be done than is done now) but the same Government that makes sure businesses pay their taxes could make those same businesses (all of them) use e-verify before they hire someone and punish them if they hire illegals (with fines and jail time). The federal government could also do a way better job of making sure federal welfare funds are not in any way given to illegal aliens. No jobs and no ability to get welfare would encourage people here illegally to leave. The government also has complete control over what it does with illegal aliens once they are caught… this should mean a swift ride to either an airport or a bus to ship them back to their place of origin.

            You are conflating lack of will to enforce the law with lack of ability.

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            You are advocating for a police state. That’s the only way to adequately enforce these laws – at least, according to your definitions of enforcement. And since apparently anything short of rounding up every illegal and putting them in concentration camps until we can ship them home is considered amnesty to you, you may want to think if you really want government doing something like that.

          • AmyH

            Really? Nazi comparisons?!? I guess Godwin’s law is once again proven correct (and you have shown you can not argue your case without repeatedly stooping to Ad Hominem attacks).

          • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

            This wasn’t a Nazi comparison. It was a Japanese internment comparison.

        • Kblankenship7

          I like your Milton Friedman reference.

  • Jim Necci

    I think Mr. Schoeneman was not there. I was there. I am not a Tea Party member and the people I know that were there are not Tea Party. We want a party that responds to the people, not to whomever has the money. I agree with a lot of what “WorriedinVA” has said but if he is not in the 7th District he does not have a horse in this race.

  • Rednecksrule

    An article by a phony conservative who is a union lobbyist… How’s reeling in the dough in DC coming?

    • MD Russ

      You are wrong on both counts, Mr. Whoever-you-are. If you and your kind want to challenge the cred of people like Brian, at least man up and post under your real name. He is out there publicly known as a legislative affairs director for a major union. For all we know, you are the piano player in a whore house.

      Shaun, I think that it is time to delete comments that are personal attacks from cowards hiding behind pseudo ID’s.

      • Rednecksrule

        Your real name is MD Russ? Was your father MD Robert and your momma must have been MD Jane?
        God as one poster once said you and Shlomoman together have an IQ of less than an empty chair…

        • MD Russ

          I am MD Russ in the same tradition as the founder of this blog is JR Hoeft. And you would be surprised by how many conservatives work for unions if you took the time to withdraw your cranium from its rectal repository and looked around.

          And you are still a coward for launching personal attacks under a pseudo screen name, unless your mother was knocked up in a sleazy country and western bar and named you after one of the Rednecks that she suspects did it.

          • Rednecksrule

            Oh you are THAT MD Russ… that narrows it down… Callings Schmoman a lobbyist and phony conservative is not a personal attack. He is a lobbyist and admits in his other columns that he isn’t tied to any particular ideology… He is a guy who makes his money swinging both ways as the winds of politics shift.

  • James Young

    While there is merit in some of what you have said — I agree that attacks on Eric Cantor have been vicious and unfair, demanding “condemnation when Ken Cuccinelli poured resources and staffing into the
    2012 State Central Committee races, packing the committee with
    supporters who overturned the decision to nominate our statewide
    candidates in 2013 by primary” is not among them.

    It is at least equally valid to ask “Where was the condemnation when Bill Bolling’s supporters made a ridiculously early decision — more than two years before the election —to nominate our statewide candidates in 2013 by primary?”

    Or “Where was the condemnation when Bill Bolling reacted to the unfair, but legal, change in the 2013 nominating process by undermining our validly-chosen nominee for Governor?” Or “Where is the condemnation for a former nominee for statewide office ignoring the social contract by which all Republicans participate in the party’s processes?”

    Or even “Where is the condemnation of the steady stream of falsehoods, personal attacks, bitter vitriol and
    divisiveness being poured forth from self-styled ‘moderates’ who have spent more time, effort and energy attacking Conservative
    Republicans than they have in fighting Barack Obama, Mark Warner and
    Terry McAuliffe?”

    Those are good questions, too.

    • Downstater

      I do not agree with booing Cantor, but the Cuch-Bolling thing is a different matter. As a campaign worker told asked me at the time “Shouldn’t Virginians have a choice”?”. Bolling just assumed he was in line for the governorship because of a deal made with Bob. Rumor in some circles was that he didn’t really like to campaign. I never saw him up here in N. VA. before he dropped out. I only met a Bolling campaign worker once – and that was 2 days before he dropped out. He acted like he was heir apparent. Then his campaign called with a poll,asking who i favored, and when I said I leaned toward Cuch, it was “okay, bye” I expected to be given reasons why I should vote for Bolling if I was going to be a delegate, but they never came. I don’t think the person who contacted me for that poll had ever even set foot in the Commonwealth of VA, I got the impression is was just an out-of-state call operation.

      • Turbocohen

        Bill Bolling.. That is so.. 2013. He quit, Terry won, lets work on coming out of the June 7 primary ready to beat Mark Warner.

        • mezurak

          Sorry Turbo, but no one is going to beat Mark Warner. This whole sorry state of Republicanism in Virginia will blow up before then. You have Mullins swinging at political assassins hiding in the shadows, Kenny’s big secret no one will discuss, the hated McSweeney called out of retirement, and a whole host of party people ready to duke it out at the next meeting.

          What you are witnessing is the culmination of twenty years of Virginia Republican inevitibility between those whose words claimed to want a bigger tent and those whose hearts are going to guarantee they get it.

          • Britt Howard

            You are a good Democrat operative Mezurak.

          • MD Russ

            Or at least one who knows the difference between reading polls and drinking Kool-Aide.

  • Downstater

    Where is the condemnation and ACTION (on the part of our R. leaders) against Mark Herring single handedly overturning state laws and the VA constitution he is sworn to uphold? Earlier this week there was an email from the RPV titled something to the effect of “Are we going to let Mark Herring get away with it…give money..”, but there was no description of any course of action or specific use of funds. I have been calling the RPV all week,and finally left a msg. for a specific person whom I do not want to name here, wishing to have a dialog as to what, if any, course of action is to be taken. Still waiting for a call back. I also left a msg. with Speaker Howell’s office 2 wks ago, and was supposed to be contacted by staff. Nothing out of any of then save the original press releases. Not even a Cuccinelli-style “Compass” assessing legalities, or evaluating what was feasible and what was not.

    • Alan

      Excellent point – begs the question – what are republicans going to do in response? We already see they are feckless at the national level. Now we have Chicago thug politics here in Virginia. I fear our leaders are naive and are cought off guard. They’re dealing with a strange new animal they don’t understand.

      But why shouldn’t the democrats at the state level subvert the Virginia constitution just like those at the federal level are the U.S. Constitution?
      Republican inaction has lead them to believe that they can get away with it.

  • mezurak

    Sorry Turbo. No one is going to beat Mark Warner. This whole
    sorry state of Republicanism in Virginia will blow up before then. You
    have Mullins swinging at political assassins hiding in the shadows,
    Kenny’s big secret no one will discuss, the hated McSweeney called out
    of retirement, and a whole host of party people ready to duke it out at
    the next meeting.

    What you are witnessing is the culmination of
    twenty years of Virginia Republican inevitibility between those whose
    words claimed to want a bigger tent and those whose hearts are going to
    guarantee they get it.

    • Turbocohen

      Bullshit. Calling it now.

    • Britt Howard

      Way to root for Republican defeat like a good Democrat, Mezurak.

      • mezurak

        Actually I’ve voted mostly Republican for more than 40 years. In most of those states they actually had a Republican Party, not this fake stuff you have had in Virginia especially the last ten years or so. A party is supposed to be for the people. How can you tell me the people have any say whatsoever in this RPV in its present form? The ones you isolate will be your biggest enemy come election time when they knock on their neighbors doors and tell them NOT to vote for a GOP candidate. Look at the facts. The RPV has gone from hamming it up at the Homestead to barely filling a conference room at a Holiday Inn. They are broke and only exist by the good graces and checkbooks of the Incumbent Protection Team. There’s no people in this party, they left long ago.

  • Steve Waters

    Bearingdrift has become nothing more than a Rino blog and their as vicious to conservatives and the republican creed as any liberal hogwash publication.

    • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

      You got all that from a post saying Republicans shouldn’t be fighting with each other?

      • Britt Howard

        Brian, your post was about how the Tea Party/liberty groups shouldn’t defend themselves after the Cantor goon squad goes out and slates them. It wasn’t about Republicans as a whole. That said, Steve was a tad over the top.

        • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

          No, my post was about the fact that there are no clean hands on either sides of this fight, but that the folks bashing Cantor have gone too far. It’s beyond hypocritical for the Tea Party/liberty groups to complain when their own tactics (not slating specifically, but packing conventions and getting SCC members elected) against them.

          I don’t like slating, but it’s legal. It’s one of the many reasons why we should get rid of conventions.

    • Turbocohen

      Steve, Cant lump all in one man.. Wrong.

    • Downstater

      Agreed. We are being called “bigots”, “Nativists” etc. by party leaders such as Shaun Kenney and Brian Schoeneman, and are being attacked for not suddenly throwing out all of our life-long beliefs as to what constitutes marriage and for our belief that the U.S. and VA constitutions meant something. I suppose that is a two-way street, the party is not going to expect my “bigoted, nativist” money or expect me to door knock, make phone calls, or in any other way be involved in the Rep. party.

      • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

        I’m not attacking anybody for disagreeing with me on policy positions. All of us believe that the U.S. and Virginia constitutions mean something, but we can have discussions on what they mean and each person can come to their own conclusions.

        Where I draw the line is when I see people making bigoted or nativist comments – I’m going to call those out because they need to be called out. If you can’t see that what you’re saying is bigoted, then I’m doing you a favor by pointing it out to you because you can guarantee the Democrats will. And they will paint all of us with that same brush if you say something stupid.

        So if you want to keep on saying bigoted, nativist things, feel free – and I will happy to have you not door knock, make phone calls or in any other way be involved in the GOP.

  • Jerel C. Wilmore

    I read all these comments and I have to chuckle. “This is unfair” and “that is unfair.” “Slating is unfair.” Cantor’s district is one of the most gerrymandered seats in Virginia. Eric Cantor wouldn’t even be in Congress were it not for gerrymandering. So it’s knee-slapping laugh out loud hilarity to listen to the Tea Party and Establishment fight about what is fair and what is fair when comes to what is already, structurally, a stolen election.

    There is no honor among thieves, I suppose.

  • Willie Mae Washington

    “Enough of the attacks. Enough of the hateful rhetoric. Enough of the lies and innuendo.” This is rich. This is $2 million worth of rich. $2 million worth of propaganda calling Dave Brat a liberal and a staffer for Gov. Tim Kaine. And the propaganda mill of Ray Allen (and, possibly still, Boyd Marcus) continues to churn this b.s. out by the tons. Where, indeed is the outrage. When Eric Cantor is called a liar, which he obviously is, the screams and self-righteous whines are deafening. But as long as he’s broadcasting the lie that a free market, Reagan conservative is a “liberal” — those same voices are strangely silent. I want to vomit.

    • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

      More hateful rhetoric.

  • sparkyva

    Private Citizen Brian Schoeneman will now display his skill at spinning hoping some power hungry politician will hire him for his obvious ability at obfuscation. All facts will be outweighed by emotional appeals. All policy objectives will be ridiculed if conservative, and the only suggestions will be “Lets outdo the Liberals at being Liberal.” Bering Drift needs to raise shields to protect against such spinmeisters.

    • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

      I’m not a political consultant. I don’t get hired to spin.

      • Jerel C. Wilmore

        On behalf of the Democratic Party of Virginia, I want to thank you for all you’ve done to advance our agenda [wink, wink]. Keep up the good work.

        • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

          /sigh

  • Alan

    Of for gosh sakes – we don’t question your integrity – just your judgement. That is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

  • Lady_Penguin

    As a conservative Republican, I want people of integrity and character running for office on our ticket. Slimy, sleazy political games doesn’t do much for a party that is supposed to have a moral foundation to their party’s platform.
    “Politicians” end up wanting power, and DC is their home base, vs representatives of character who actually care about the people back home.

    Ultimately, as Americans wake up to misery of Obamacare and the rest of this administration’s policies, politicians like Cantor are going to be facing “throw the bums out, throw ALL the bums out,” and it won’t matter which party ID they have.

  • Rednecksrule

    Schlomoman and Kenney… there is a new memo… Cantor is now anti illegal immigration… ANTI not pro illegal immigration. He has had to shift to save his phony baloney job in Congress as Brat is gaining on him in his gerrymandered but conservative district… Time to save your phony baloney jobs too!! So you are anti illegal immigration… break out a new banner. Don’t worry though Cantor will be OPEN Door immigration after the elections and his sorry behind is back safely in DC…

  • Bill Card

    Brian,

    Courageous stand – well said. I wonder how many of your critics stood on
    hundreds of door steps as I did last election season in support of Ken
    Cuccinelli and got the backlash over the conservative “win” that lead us down
    the convention path. I was happy with the Cuccinelli selection and honestly didn’t run into that many people who could even call up Bill Bolling’s name – but there were many who were mightily annoyed that we snatched the opportunity to vote for the nominee of our party way from them.

    I think that some of my conservative brethren need to take a deep breath and see what they are doing to our Party. Likewise, there is no reason – ever – in a Party to freeze out people from expressing their opinions or voting their conscience. You slaters regardless of ideology are wrong. No matter how righteous your cause, it’s always wrong to promote it in an evil way.

    Kindest Regards,
    Bill

  • Laurence Nordvig

    The solution here is simple…follow the Va. Republican Creed. It would satisfy both sides. If any elected official chooses not to, he/she is not a “good Republican”, and deserves to be voted out.

  • Allen Crenshaw

    Well said! Witt & his friends are out of line and it’s time to HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE!

  • Allen Crenshaw

    Good read. If only Witt understood his divisiveness is equal if not greater than that of those he criticizes. Do you, Travis, believe that attacking conservatives is more important than attacking democrats? I would guess that you would say something ridiculously off-point, about a 6700 year old biblical passage or perhaps a complaint about something Cantor said or did that didn’t line up 100% with the farthest-right agenda.

    Really, Travis? I have to wonder if this is a set of legitimate beliefs you hold, or a convenient aside by someone who has also expressed his own political ambition. “I’m going to run for the US Senate,” Travis is often heard saying. And since he can’t raise any money, the only way to even have a chance of doing that is to make money politics obsolete. Ha, I wish you the best of luck.

    Bottom line is: You’ve got to be kidding. Once you come back to the house of reality and understand the types of benefits VA will receive from a VIRGINIA SPEAKER, maybe then you will understand the reality of having that same man as an enemy rather than an ally.

    Bravo to the tea party; but, please, do not let people like Travis Witt lead the discussion about what’s best for Virginia.