Poll: Do You Support McDonnell’s Transportation Tax Hike?PolicyPoliticsVirginia

Here it is, folks.  60-40 in the House, 25-15 in the Senate.

How do you feel?

Do You Support the Governor's Transportation Tax Hike?

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  • pinecone321

    A little late now as the dirty deal is a done deal already. It will be interesting to see the results though. I remember McDonnell, saying in an interview on WMAL, that the voters did not want a gas tax increase, so that was why he went with the sales tax increase, as though the voters wanted a sales tax increase either. I would guess that the sales tax increase would have met much more opposition that even a sales tax increase. So now we get both, and then a heaping healthy dose of other taxes and fees as well.

    • pinecone321

      I meant to say that the voters would have likely have been more opposed to a sales tax increase than a gas tax increase.

    • Chad Parker

      As Lowell says in his blog, let me call you a “waaaaaaaaambulance.” McDonnell showed true leadership. He understands that government isn’t some adversarial game where the majority party gets whatever they want, and the minority has nothing. Government represents all people. Ask anyone their opinion about the
      deal, and they’ll say it has flaws. But look at the deal from the broader perspective, and you find its the result of bipartisan compromise, and legislators actually working together. Only the fringes from both parties and those seeking higher office are opposed to it–so the unreasonable and the opportunists.

      • pinecone321

        Oh, I agree. McDonnell did in fact show true leadership, guts, stamina, and a big pair. That of course is all true if you are a Democrat. He stood up for the Democrats like I have never seen a Republican do before. Yup, that’s true leadership, if you are a liberal.

        • Chad Parker

          So bipartisan compromise is only a democratic attribute?

          • pinecone321

            Yes Chad, now you got it. Compromise is most definitely a Democrat phenomenon with the Democrats that aren’t your grandfather’s Democrats, and there are non of them left. The Democrats got rid of all blue dog Dems. for example, years ago, as they didn’t toe the line.

            Compromising with the modern Democrats, or more accurately liberals/progressives, means coming over to their side of the aisle, giving in to all their demands, and walking back to the other side of the aisle with a few unimportant, and unworthy crumbs in your hand.

          • Chad Parker

            Pinecone, I’m going to start calling you Annie, because you remind me of another batsh*t crazy woman who (I believe) actually worked for McDonnell’s campaign before they sent her home. So Annie, why does everything political need to be approached with an adversarial attitude? Different people have different perspectives on different issues. Bringing them all to the table and working through differences is how we govern best. Unless somehow you feel your opinions are the ultimate authority on all issues?

          • pinecone321

            Chad, you remind me of Bagdad Bob, who was batcrap crazy as he declared that there were no Americans in Bagdad, as the American helicopters were circling just above his head. So Bob, when anyone governs, bringing all the opposite side to the table, allowing them to control the language of the legislation, and folding to every one of their “wants” is some how defined as bipartisanship? So it’s adversarial to adamantly oppose the positions taken by any politician? Do you think it is adversarial to go against the Obama policies and methods of implementation? Obama has differing positions on different issues, but that doesn’t qualify his positions as the best policies to follow, does it? My opinions have no weight, and I certainly have no say in what happens in Richmond, and we’ve found that either do many of the states citizens positions on the issues. The compromise deal, over a hundred pages long, to my knowledge, has never been released in full to the VA citizens to study. I’ve read that there are more tax increases in the compromise, but it appears it is a Pelosi deal where you have to vote for it, before you can see what is in it. My opinions are no more an authority on anything, just as your’s are not either. See how that work’s Bob? Your opinions are no more worthy than anyone else posting here. Have you been sent here to post as a McDonnell advocate, in order to try to mitigate the tremendous backlash McDonnell is getting? I learned early in life that no matter how much you try to put a shine on chit, chit is still chit.

          • Chad Parker

            Annie,

            http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?ses=131&typ=bil&val=hb2313

            All legislation, and status of each, is posted online. They do a good job of keeping everything up to date.

            And the very language you use–”opposite side,” “allowing them to control,” and “folding” are all indicative of one of two things: either an intellect so underdeveloped that you can only view issues in the basic “us vs them”/black-and-white mentality, or an inferiority complex so bloated that its like a tumor poisoning any real thought. Either way, good luck with that.

          • pinecone321

            Bagdad Bob, you have at it all you want with your gloating, you will not be so gloating when this whole debacle comes back to bite you and McDonnell in the butt, and it will, trust me. Give it time Bagdad Bob, we will see whose intellect is wanting. Hiring the mentally handicapped has always been a goal of McDonnell’s, and he got his biggest prize with you. Have a nice life loser.

          • Chad Parker

            You anger, vitriol, and lack of ability to debate intelligently outside of the “I’m always right and they’re always wrong” mindset is symptomatic of the party and politics in general. Get over yourself and allow critical thought of different ideas to either alter or strengthen your own.

            You too, sweetheart.

          • http://twitter.com/icanhasbailout Alexis Rose Bank

            “bipartisan compromise” is code for “Republicans capitulating on core values”

          • Chad Parker

            Alexis, that sure is a nice talking point, but let’s explore it deeper. I’m sure you understand that your views on issues are not the only views; and I’m sure you understand that, like all people, given more information your views will either be strengthened or evolved. So why would we take varying degrees of otherwise rational people, send them to Richmond, and give them a checklist of checklist of “core values” (what does that even mean?) to tell them how they will vote on every issue? Explain how that is leadership and not puppetry.

            Now let’s look at Grover Norquist’s “core value” of not raising taxes under any condition. Let’s forget, for the sake of the argument, that he has, to my knowledge, never actually been elected to lead anything. Please explain where this “core value” is derived–is it from some biblical verse that we use in our weekly worship services (the 9th beatitude)? Is it an area the Founding Fathers unanimously supported to the extent they put it in the Bill of Rights? Is “not ever raising taxes” a value divinely instilled in us at the time of conception (or birth, depending on your view)?

            Please explain how the last 237 years would have looked had we all decided, as a nation, that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, among them Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of Happiness, and never raising taxes.

            Go beyond the overly simplified talking point, and explain what you mean.

          • http://twitter.com/icanhasbailout Alexis Rose Bank

            Sure. Government is already too large and already takes too much money. It wastes an enormous amount of that money – it does not spend it anywhere near as wisely as individuals spend their own money. In the process, the state gets itself involved in all sorts of matters that are rightfully private business and none of the government’s. Corruption is at fever pitch as legislation is openly bought and sold by lobbyists, divorcing the government from its original and only legitimate purpose, to serve the people of the state as a whole.

            In this context, any additional revenue that goes to the government just makes the problem worse. Additional taxes happen in lieu of correcting the waste and corruption problems – but it’s a bottomless pit. The more money that government spends, the more incentive to corruption, a vicious cycle that leads to a government that represents only those who pay to play – and in the process taking from honest, regular folk the property and liberty that is rightfully theirs.

            Hope that makes things clearer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.eggleston.963 David Eggleston

    Outrage is, of course, the only appropriate political response these days, whether you’re on the Right or the Left.

    • EricMcGrane

      I know. Everyone should stop whining about the government always wanting to take more.

      More more more.

      Insatiable.

    • pinecone321

      Sure, and when you have a Republican Gov., who ran as a conservative, and in the campaign promised that if he were elected, he would not raise taxes on the already strapped VA citizens, but no outrage necessay there, right. Should we just be saying that McDonnell just had a senior moment when he pushed for a plan, any plan will do?

  • EricMcGrane

    Nothing says “win” like republicans begging democrats to help pass their tax increases.

  • Larsele

    The way the Democrats see it, “The governor gets a bumper sticker out of this but we get a good solid bill.” That’s the quote in the WaPo by FFX. Del. Mark Keam. Nothing like a little old fashioned gloating!!!

    • pinecone321

      What they fail to say is that his bumper sticker is going to say- McDonnell, biggest tax hiker in VA history.

      • http://www.facebook.com/shaunkenney Shaun Kenney

        I’m partial to “Republicans: Big Government, Only Cheaper!”

        • pinecone321

          Ha. I’m partial to “Republicans: Big Government, done my way.”

          I believe that that sticker has already covered Cantor’s vehicle, which didn’t come as a result of the Cash for Clunkers regime. I’ve been looking hard and heavy for a clunker, but there are none available.

  • pinecone321

    Nothing speaks more to a major deceit by a Republican Gov. then having all the liberals coming out to pat him on the back, giving him a thumbs up, and applauding him for “doing the right thing.”

  • JR46

    I have been involved as a business person with the Va General Assembly for 20 years overlapping parts of 6 governors’ terms. Over most of that time, it was possible to disagree with policy makers without accusing them of being evil or stupid. It was also possible to disagree with some of the policy made without pretending that the world was going to end as the result of said policy. In recent years it has become acceptable to demonize each other and to demagogue policies. See the president on sequestration and the comments now about the transportation bill. It is high time Virginia took some affirmative and forceful action to fix transportation funding. Good for the governor and both the senate and the house. I seem to remember the same predictions of armageddon when the Warner tax increases were passed. And yet we moved on as a great state. This outrage is not well founded and I hope it passes before anyone feels the need to defeat legislators who have done exactly what we elect them to do — what they think is right.

    • johnjaylives

      I could not agree more. I have relatives in Stafford County. When I went to visit over Christmas, all of them were griping about traffic and saying they’d pay more to get better roads. All of them are reliable Republicans.

      I find a lot of this outrage a little odd. We’re not talking Obamacare (Completely unconstitutional) here. We’re talking about a state addressing transportation. The last time I checked, 95% of people considered transportation a legitimate, constitutional state government service. Large portions of the Commonwealth (NoVa and Hampton Roads) have strong majorities that favor increasing transportation funding, even if it means more in taxes. I’d bet that you’d probably find a slight majority of Virginia residents who favor paying more in taxes for more transportation funding. I don’t see anything wrong with elected representatives carrying out the wishes of the majority of their constituents so long as those wishes are legal and constitutional. Again, state funding for transportation is legal, legitimate, and constitutional…..this outrage seems a little overblown. I don’t agree with the bill, but most of my objections are synonymous with Jim Bacon…I don’t think this will be effective in relieving traffic. But I’m not going to act outraged that a majority of legislators and the Governor did something that the majority of their constituents desired.

      • Lovettsville Lady

        The problems is, this bill doesn’t build ANY new roads. Not a one. It won’t solve ANY transportation problems, unless you are concerned about the richest counties and their 1% who ride the subways. Subways will get lots of funds to be sunk in more subways that cost us ever more money. The majority of constituents did NOT support this bill. That should be obvious now……….

    • http://twitter.com/icanhasbailout Alexis Rose Bank

      When someone deliberately lies to your face and then betrays you on a vital interest, it goes well beyond mere disagreement.

  • dan

    Or we could all think through what should be done and post our position on Electorate.Me

  • http://www.facebook.com/WilliamJDeutsch Willie Deutsch

    If Bob McDonnell wanted to drive Republicans out of their party, he couldn’t have come up with a better plan.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bmarchi Ben Marchi

    I leave VA for one minute, and…!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/WilliamJDeutsch Willie Deutsch

      Yes Ben, let’s blame you for leaving, and letting this happen. ;)

  • Lovettsville Lady

    It looks like 33 democrats have voted in this poll.

    JR, be sure to let us know when this bill helps traffic in Virginia. I’ll wait.

  • Loudoun GOPer

    Pathetic. McDonnell was my choice for President in 2016. Now I wouldn’t vote for him for dog catcher.

  • http://twitter.com/icanhasbailout Alexis Rose Bank

    I found someone who supports the tax hike. He lives in Danville and plans to drive over the NC border to buy gas more cheaply there. He thinks it’s a swell deal.

    Methinks the unintended consequences here will be far larger than imagined.

    • http://www.southsidecentral.com/ Bruce Hedrick

      Your friend is an idiot. NC gas prices are significantly higher than VA ones.

      Signed,
      Bruce Hedrick
      Danville, VA

      • http://www.facebook.com/david.eggleston.963 David Eggleston

        Her friends have to be.

  • TheLizard3211223

    Calling this a transportation bill is quite a misnomer – it is a pure money and power-grab, and will be unlikely to result in any improvements in transportation. It should provide a nice bonus to the government contractors, though, as long as they have been backing the right people on Capital Hill this year.

    “Courage” would be passing either a fixed gas tax OR a sales tax increase with a transportation lockbox, not passing both, plus a grab-bag of other taxes on everything that moves. For a governor that ran for election criticizing his predecessor for proposing a $1 billion tax increase, he sure seems happy with his own $1.4 billion tax increase (so far).

    If you’re wondering how much the gas tax will increase each year “based on inflation” – well, it’s not really based on inflation. Here’s a good explanation of how this tax works:

    http://wordpress.lizardslounge.org/?p=80