Priebus: we need to welcome the Ron Paul supporters and liberty movement into the RNCPoliticsVirginia

Recently re-elected RNC chairman Reince Priebus says he wants to throw open the party’s doors to the liberty movement and former Rep. Ron Paul’s supporters, saying that not doing so would be foolish.

The April meeting Priebus refers to is when the rules changes foisted on the party by the Romney camp during the Tampa convention will be opened for debate. Virginia’s national committeeman, Morton Blackwell, talked to us about the need to undo those rules changes over the weekend on “The Score” radio show.

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  • J. Christopher Stearns

    This state-of-mind would have been welcomed in Tampa…

    • MD Russ

      Tampa is a case study in why the Republicans need to reject the Ron Paul supporters and the other extreme elements that seek to drag the GOP over a right wing cliff.

      The Ron Paul supporters and the other right wing splinter groups poll at about 2%. Meanwhile, the unaligned moderate Independents poll at 42%. So, instead of moderating the Republican message to attract the middle of the road voters, Priebus thinks that the GOP needs to appeal to the gold-standard, legalized drugs whackos. Better to be pure than popular. Brilliant strategy.

      • Mike Barrett

        Yes, but just this past Sunday, it appeared to me that Paul Ryan has joined the wackos as well.

        Republicans had said they would provide more revenue, but now, according to Ryan, that is off the table. The company line is that the restoration of the social security taxes and the restoration of higher rates for the wealthy is all they are prepared to do, and all the rest of debt reduction will have to come from cuts. That our course is mathematically impossible; worse, more cuts without more revenue will handicap growth and create more incertainly in the markets and with the rating agencies.

        It is time for bright people of both parties to realize that political
        gridlock is the greatest impediment we have to prosperty and growth, and a grand compromise is both necessary and required. Yes, it will be a decade long process; it is the progress toward the goal that will calm the markets and start growth again.

        • MD Russ

          Mike,

          The Republicans have called for a balance of revenue increases and spending cuts. They have met the President halfway on the revenue increases. Where are the spending cuts? And deficit reduction is not mathematically impossible through spending cuts unless you take entitlements reform off the table, which the Democrats have done.

          • Mike Barrett

            Well I thought they had as well, but I sat and listened to Paul Ryan say exactly the oppose on Sunday morning during his appearance on NBC’s Meet the Press. If you doubt my word, just pull up this show on demand and listen to his discussion with David Gregory; it was the first 25 minutes of the show, and Ryan clearly espoused the view that republicans were done with new revenue and only cuts would come from them in the future.

            What was disturbing to me is that Ryan is clearly smart enough to know we must close the deficit with revenue and cuts, yet he appears to have adopted the same hard line, what’s new attitude of exactly the same points as Romney who never once clearly enumerated the necessary points to get to his position. Why? His position never added up.
            It is astounding to me that republicans can see all around them the sigs of growth, prosperity, rejuvenation, and recovery, yet seem unwilling to acknowledge that the President and his economic team got it basically right. That must just be too painful for them so they are hell bend to create another fiscal crisis. I don’t think most americans will be pleased to have them do that again.

          • MD Russ

            Mike,

            I can’t see what we are saying that is different. The Republicans compromised on taxes and the Democrats haven’t compromised on spending. So the Republicans are saying, “no more until you uphold your end of the bargain.” I thought that you are a businessman and could understand such things.

            On the other hand, what color is the sky in the world you live in with such a rosy economy? In my world, the GDP growth is stagnant, unemployment and workforce non-participation remain in double-digits, the real estate market is still in the toilet, and consumer spending is still at recession levels. Is that the new Democratic talking point–that we fixed the economy and the Republicans broke it again? What bullshit.

          • Mike Barrett

            We have both a revenue and a spending problem. Revenue is too low. expenses are too high. There is no mathematical way to reduce the deficit unless both a included in the solution. That is why I was so disappointed in Ryans comments; it is as if he is fighting the same way over again.
            That said, your pessimism is disturbing as well. I get annoyed at the attempts by republicans to throw us back into crisis, but it had appeared they had learned their lesson. Now, it appears not, although I still hope that a grand bargain can be struck to cut expense and entitlements and raise taxes on reduce tax credits.
            The fact that we are earning only 16% of GDP per year is the most indicative of the fact that we have a revenue and an expense problem. Anyone who denies that is elusional.

          • MD Russ

            “I get annoyed at the attempts by republicans to throw us back into crisis…”

            Now that is delusional.

          • Mike Barrett

            Well Russ, not to make too fine a point on it, but at this point, all republicans have is delusion. Their disastrous position on immigration will be fixed by democrats, their abject failure to broaden the base with woman, hispanics, and other minorities was fixed for them as well, and so they have been reduced to complaining about the deficit once again.

            But even there, as the indicators abound of improvement, they are reduced to criers and complainers. Their commitment to supply side economics is in tatters, growth and prosperity continues, the markets and rating agencies are fine so long as your party does not create another forced crisis, and the U.S. is leading the world in recovery because Kaynes was right.

            So what did Ryan do last Sunday? He makes a total fool of himself, fighting old battles with discredited ideology that have been overtaken by events and experience. Frankly, if he is the best republicans have got, they are in real trouble. Fact is, Americans get tired of grouches and complainers and his time is up.

      • http://www.facebook.com/craig.m.kilby Craig M Kilby

        Wow. Senator Rand Paul is an extreme element. Meanwhile, such nominees as Todd Akin, John Murdoch and the “I’m not a witch” from Delaware, and others, are the new gold standard for winning elections? Come on, Russ. This is the future of the party, and I’m very much in favor of it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/craig.m.kilby Craig M Kilby

          And I would NEVER call Libertarians “extreme right wing.” They are the ideological twins of the “Liberal” parties in Europe. We have a problem with terminology here in the states. Here, “right wing” is usually considered the same as “social conservatives” [i.e., bible thumper thumpers, Christian "conservatives" and so on] who are not even remotely constitutional conservatives. Perhaps the GOP is due for an overdue crack-up.

          • MD Russ

            Calm down and breath into a paper bag, Craig. You are hyperventilating again.

            Virginia was hardly typical of the primary states this cycle, with only two candidates on the ballot as you pointed out. This may come as a surprise to you, but there are parts of Virginia where Mormanism is considered a cult while snake-handling Pentecostals are considered mainstream. Nationally, Ron Paul got about 14% of the vote, but that included the caucus states where the Paulistinians were able to pack the caucuses in comparison with the supporters of other candidates. After all, what is wrong with spending 3-4 hours in a caucus on a week night if you are a True Believer? In the primary states, Ron Paul rarely got out of single digits and, to the best of my recollection, did not win a single delegate. His strategy in the caucus states was to win enough delegates to create mischief in Tampa, even if it was mathematically impossible for him to be placed in nomination. That is why I said that Tampa is a case study in why the GOP needs to reject the extremists.

            Oh, did I just call Ron Paul an extremist again? Well, consider some of his milder proposals:
            -return the US to a failed monetary policy of the 19th Century, the Gold Standard.
            -withdraw all US forces from overseas locations, abrogating all of our strategic alliances, and fight the first battle of the next war at the US shoreline.
            -legalize the possession, use, and sale of all recreational drugs.
            -neuter the Federal Reserve so that we have no central control over our money supply.
            If that is not extremist, then I cannot fathom what you consider extreme.

            And, speaking of extremists, I have never characterized the Tea Party crowd, esp. Akin, Murdoch, and the Masturbating Witch as mainstream. They need to be rejected just as soundly as Ron Paul if the Republicans seek to be the party of the majority.

            BTW, I don’t need any lectures from you on European politics–I lived there for eight years. At the risk of invoking Godwin’s Law, I would remind you that Hitler labeled himself a “national socialist.”

          • http://www.facebook.com/Schwarzefahne David Dull

            “return the US to a failed monetary policy of the 19th Century, the Gold Standard.”
            The
            United States was a complete power house in the 19th century and it
            wasn’t until the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 that we ended
            up with dozens of recessions and a “Great Depression”.

            “withdraw all US forces from overseas locations, abrogating all of our
            strategic alliances, and fight the first battle of the next war at the
            US shoreline.”
            #facepalm!
            1. what’s wrong with withdrawing our resources and family members from
            someone else’s shores? 2. “fight the first battle of the next war”
            Well that’s a remark from a war mongered if I ever heard one. Let’s ask
            General/President Eisenhower said about that, shall we? “”Preventive
            war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even
            listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.”"

            “legalize the possession, use, and sale of all recreational drugs.”
            because prohibition works so well right? More than half of the those in federal prisons are non-violent drug offenders.

            “neuter the Federal Reserve so that we have no central control over our money supply.”
            ROFL!!!!!
            You seriously have not even the vaguest idea what you’re talking about
            do you? 1. Ron Paul doesn’t want to “neuter” it, he wants to get rid of
            it. 2. The Federal Reserve is not controlled by anyone. 3. The power
            to print money is specifically given to CONGRESS in Article 1, Section 8
            of our United States Constitution! I mean, this one sentence leaves me
            to conclude anything you say from here on out should be taken with a
            big grain of salt.

            “If that is not extremist, then I cannot fathom what you consider extreme”

            The thing about smart people is that they seem like crazy people to stupid people -Robert Kirkman

          • MD Russ

            David,

            Thank you for illustrating my point. i suspect that some readers here would suspect that I made up your ID and response to validate my position. I did not–the Ron Paul idiots are plentiful. But, thankfully, they are not a significant voting block and the Republicans would do well to just ignore them. After all, when Ron Paul is out of the question, who are you going to vote for, Obama or the Republican?

          • http://www.facebook.com/craig.m.kilby Craig M Kilby

            I’m quite calm, Russ. I have no regrets on what I said in a quite reasonable way. Now, that you finally admit the Ron Paul people got about 14% at worst, you may have to put your 2% comment on a nice Crow Sandwich. To say Virginia was not representative is laughable. It was the ONLY place where the choice was between Romney and somebody else, and Paul got 40% of the vote. Figures don’t lie, but liars figure, as the saying goes.

      • http://www.facebook.com/craig.m.kilby Craig M Kilby

        Russ wrote: “The Ron Paul supporters and the other right wing splinter groups poll at about 2%.” Really? What rabbit hat did you pull that number out of? Did not you NOT see the polling results in Virginia’s Presidential primary that ONLY included Mitt Romney and Ron Paul? To save you the time to look it up, Ron Paul got 40.46% of the vote.

      • sparkyva

        Wrong. Go take your purity and sit in the corner until you learn to read history. The opponents kiss and make up while people like you go pout and refuse to make alliances. Your mindset is why we loose, not the many different and sometimes conflicting components of our party.

    • http://www.brianschoeneman.org/ Brian W. Schoeneman

      If we’re trying to keep them out, we’re doing a pretty poor job of it. Right Chris?

      • MD Russ

        Brian,

        You don’t have to keep them out of the party–just don’t let them be your standard bearer. The Democrats welcome the Greens and the Socialists, but they don’t let Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich define what it means to be a Democrat.

      • J. Christopher Stearns

        I’d say so, Brian.

        And I forgot how these threads can explode in a short period of time… :)

        I guess we’ll see if MD Russ is right about the supposed necessity to purge us extreme libertarians from the party apparatus. I think I’ve done a decent job leading the 3rd District Committee despite my allegedly insane philosophical views, but I suppose that’s not good enough for some folks…

        Only one more year and they can come n’ get us!! ;)

        • MD Russ

          Chris,

          And exactly what is your strategy for turning the 3rd District Republican? Please give Bobby Scott our best wishes.

  • sparkyva

    Seems to me he was head of the RNC when the same organization stiffed the Ron Paul people, and stiffed the Tea Party people on the rules committee (wouldn’t let them off the bus so that they missed the meeting and the rules change vote) in Tampa. Now after loosing the 3 million votes we needed to win, he is talking out of the other side of his mouth. We lost the election due to the high jinks of Priebus and the other leaders in the RNC. NOT A PENNY FOR THE RNC. Give directly to the candidate of your choice. Stiff the RNC.