Mark Warner: Hypocrite
By D.J. Spiker | Monday, January 24th, 2011 | Policy, Politics
Jim Webb isn’t the only one having re-election second thoughts and troubles.
In a great piece by Bill Bartel, Mark Warner is teaming with Republican Senator Saxby Chambliss to announce trillions of dollars in spending cuts across the board, leaving no stone unturned.
While this is welcome news given the ever-growing deficit, why the sudden about face?
After voting for the stimulus ($825 billion) the additional stimulus spending ($192 billion) allowing cap and trade to move forward ($646 billion or $2 trillion, depending on the study) the health care bill ($940 billion) and loads more bills of ignorant, unapologetic spending.
In case you’re adding, that total is 2.6 trillion or 4 trillion depending on the study, that Mark Warner has authorized in spending in just over two years of elected office.
And now he’s having a bipartisan conversion? Please.
The safer bet is Mark Warner, who has always loved the title of most popular Virginian, is getting his dose of a political reality check. Bob McDonnell won statewide office by 17 points, Bill Bolling and Ken Cuccinelli riding a 16 point landslide. This past midterm cycle, we saw three House seats flip back, including a 14 term incumbent. The House of Delegates sits at one of the largest Republican dominated houses in Virginian history. Given the results of the last two years, there’s no reason to believe to the State Senate won’t flip back to Republican, or a tie giving Lieutenant Governor Bolling the deciding vote. Add onto it the troubles the Democrats are having with Jim Webb and where does that leave us?
Oh yes, Mark Warner worrying about his political future.
In 2014, Warner could be faced with Governor Bob McDonnell, AG Ken Cuccinelli or any of the candidates not winning the primary this time around while his voting record has left him drastically to the left of where most Virginians lie.
Of course, when you’re talking about Mark Warner, one thing will always stay the same:
Increasing revenues – meaning taxes – also is required “because the hole is so deep,” he said.
Who would Mark Warner be if any legislation he proposed didn’t include tax increase?
Consider this Warner’s coming to center attempt.
Nice try Markie Mark.
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21 Responses to "Mark Warner: Hypocrite"
Sens. Webb and Warner need to be booted out of the Senate. Both of them are prone to the most two faced actions (Webb with his phony opposition to Medicare cuts and affirmative action and Warner about nearly everything he’s done in the Senate) and both obviously have contempt for VA voters. Would they come out and defend their actions. Fat chance. I wish Repubs would stop treating these two with kid gloves.
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Unless the plan involves using the “unused” stimulus funds to help pay down the debt and either an outright repeal or significant rollback of the healthcare bill, this is not a serious proposal: it’s a bait and switch, just as you state, DJ.
My column from the Daily Press on the subject
http://www.dailypress.com/news/opinion/dp-nws-oped-kirwin-1222-20101222,0,3384739.column
I can’t vote for him either…
Yes, what a refreshing proposal, devoid of the fairytales usually expressed by politicians and partisan bloggers. No doubt, Warner’s business background has helped in developing this proposal. This will be a test of america’s citizens; that is, when the partisans stand and condemn it because it takes away tax breaks, or increases some taxes, or reduces a benefit, we will have the fortitude to defend the legislation as a whole? Frankly, we must, because to have gotten in the vulnerable position we are in today, we all made mistakes. Let’s fix them!
Mike,
It’s an interesting proposal and should be discussed…provided the stimulus money and healthcare are also part of the discussion. If it isn’t, forget it.
Yes, I agree, both need to be discussed. While the Health Care bill already saves money, at least that has us moving in the right direction, yet more can be cut if we focus on reducing health care costs without throwing people out of the system. That means those who feel they would gain political advantage by shouting about “rationing” or “death panels” anytime cost containment is discussed, will have to put a plug in it so at least the discussion can take place.
“While the Health Care bill already saves money”
Correction: It rasies taxes slightly more than it increases spending, so in theory the deficit will be slightly smaller. It doesn’t “save money.”
And the deficit reductions are based on arbitrary doctor reimbursment cuts to medicaid and medicare right when demand goes through the roof. And tax increases that were set up like the AMT, so that they are nto adjusted for inlfation and with every year you get bracket creap.
If history stays true, the doc reimbursements will be overridden. And the tax increases will be patched once they hit the middle class.
Add in the fact that the long term care insurance was described as an “insurance death sprial” by the medicare actuary and a “ponzi scheme to the first degree” by Sen. Dorgan… and that blows away said “savings” even more.
In additiont, this gutted health savings accounts and made high deductable, low premium insurance illegal, further increasing moral-hazzard driven over consumption.
Far from moving us in the right dirrection, this took a broken healthcare system with unsustainable finances and made it even worse.
I just have to smirk everytime some lost fellow says ““While the Health Care bill already saves money”…
Evidently, he, among others , cannot read, or doesn’t bother reading anything that proves him wrong. He’s made the same mistake as any number of others….in that he cherry-picks his talking points from the larger report.Sure, the report starts out with the savings. Read on for the longterm costs to us. They are huge….and invalidate the immediate savings.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/20/AR2011012003687.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Warner has absolutely ZERO conservative democrat credentials with me. He must go. I am now ashamed of my vote for Webb. There are things I like about Webb, but he too betrayed us. They both must go.
As much as I continually bitch about the GOP giving us horrible choices, I would eagerly support ANY Republican nominee. Even if I regret it later. What Warner & Webb has done is unforgiveable. This Libertarian would stomach any RINO or or true Republican that is unfortunately a religion legislator. I don’t care. Have at it. One free senate term for anybody just to send a message.
Obamacare does not save money. If it was a good bill you wouldn’t hear any Democrats publicly admit that it was anything less than perfect. If it was a good bill you wouldn’t have had large numbers of people suddenly caring about politics to protest it. If it was a good bill businesses wouldn’t be holding on to their assets rather than growing business. If it was a good bill it wouldn’t have taken hideous horse trading & outright bribery to pass the infernal thing. If it wasn’t for the baiting of the public with free health care with the idea that they would resist any effort to remove it later like a sick drug, it might be a good bill. Obamacare is not about fixig healthcare, it is about power, centralizing government, and a race to socialism.
It does make end of life decisions based on cost. It can lead to rationing like controlling mammograms like in England. It will be a devastation to our economy and it won’t give us better care. You will be forced to pay but illegal immigrants will not.
Healthcare, Cap & Trade, out of control spending. These guys are an insult to conservative Democrats and make even the RINOs look good. Everyone needs to suppport the Republican nominee. We just can’t let this stand.
Dammit all to hell…Ferguson goes out and publishes the actual graph that illustrates what happens when democrats control purse strings.
You’ll notice the spike in Bush’s first term when it was inevitable that we had to go to Afghanistan to clean up the cesspool that fostered the attack.
After 2004, the deficit is reduced each year, heading back to nuetral…or even surplus. Strange things happen in 2008, and they correspond with the democrat takeover of both Government Houses.The deficit jumps to an even higher level than Bush’s worst year.
More catastrophic is the triple bang it gets in 2009 at the hands of democrat Houses AND a democrat President.
With this evidence in front of Americans, the mantra about Bush’s deficit falls especially flat.
http://donnyferguson.blogspot.com/2011/01/gentlewoman-from-state-of-denial.html
“This Libertarian would stomach any RINO or or true Republican that is unfortunately a religion legislator. I don’t care. Have at it. One free senate term for anybody just to send a message.”
Pretty much what I’ve said all along. If those who couldn’t stomach a “moderate” (and let’s be realistic — some VERY conservative folks were thrown under that bus due to personality disputes in the fight for the Party line) ….then you get the representative who votes 100% with the opposition.
Look, I have , and maintian friendships with Democrats (not liberals, mind you). Hell, I still remember JFK as the last Democrat to lower taxes and still remain a foriegn policy stronghold for America.
Jack faced down the whole of the USSR, and didn’t blink. I’m equally dissappointed with where Democrats have gone. I’m from the south, and I remember when Southern Democrats were fiscal hawks and probably some of the most conservative creatures on the planet.
If the right and the left are to work together on a compromise, a few basic rules need to apply. First, no insults like the headline of this article. Second, some neutral party needs to keep score, kind of like the CBO that scored the health care bill and found that it was fiscally beneficial and paid for itself.
CBO does have some interesting analysis on this…
http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=1750
However, so does Heritage:
http://heritage.org/Initiatives/Health-Care
Mikey B,
When you vote to add trillions of dollars to spending and then call two years later to cut trillions of dollars in spending, that’s hypocrisy.
Insult? Fact.
Marky Mark didn’t have a partisan conversion. He’s reading the political tea leaves and is terrified. When in doubt, run to the center. Marky Mark has not earned the benefit of the doubt.
Actually D.J., my basic criteria is that an initiative without an offset is a liar and a thief. In this case, yes, spending was increased (that is what happens when you cover 40 M citizens and prevent the abuses of citizens by insurance companies) but it was paid for in the bill, and the sum total reduces the deficit by $137 Billion as scored by the CBO. So the financial aspect was handled responsibly, and I would argue that covering all americans with health insurance is a good thing as well.
The CBO scores according to the input received not according to accepted accounting practice. Congress prevents the CBO from questioning the assumptions provided by the ruling party – things like 10 years of taxes and 6 years of benefits etc etc. The CBO was brought into the WH twice to be pressured by Obama when their numbers weren’t to his liking. Leftists know all these things but have an agenda to put over on the rubes. You’ll notice that the Dems are not concerned with improving ‘health care’ just managing access to it. Notice how the ruling leftists in Canada or the UK get on the plane whenever they have their own little health issues. Would you be surprised that they routinely cut to the front of the line within their own countries but sometimes even that is not fast enough?
In addition to quoting CBO I wish Mike would quote from Ezekiel Emanuel and Donald Berwick sometimes.
Mark Warners website says “The science surrounding climate change supports the need for dramatic changes in policy”.
I have ask them time and time again, what science are they talking about… (cue the crickets) no response.
He has voted party line across the board. He has no policy, no ideas, and no idea what Virginian’s want. This guy has got to go.
Warner: Sacrifice the Sacred Cows to Correct Deficit!
The Laffer Curve
Listen, Senator Warner! The more we reduce taxes, the stronger and faster our economy will grow. The US has one of the highest corporate tax rates of all industrialized nations…..
Almost all taxes would come way down with the below listed plan. And all else is rhetoric! Forget about Obama’s pie in the sky “investments” in high speed rail, solar, wind and biofuels. These are but big government, Chicago type pay to play scams!
To revitalize our crashing economy, we must sacrifice the sacred cows. The sacred cows being the phony war on drugs, the phony wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the corrupt Medicare and Medicaid health insurance programs.
Therefore we must, post haste:
• Repeal Obamacare, immediately….why spend a trillion dollars to buy health care for the 32 million Americans who are currently receiving it for free right now?….
• Give current Medicaid and Medicare recipients vouchers and let them purchase whatever health insurance fits their needs…this would cut the cost of these corrupt programs by an amazing 70%. …..
• Enforceable, meaningful deductibles and co-pays would return Medicare and Medicaid patients to the real world medical marketplace! And would simultaneously cut the cost of commercial health insurance for the rest of us by 50%……
• Issue a federal mandate that would allow patients to cross state lines, in order to purchase more competitive health insurance
• Scrap the wind farm and gasohol programs. These programs are not, and never will be, cost effective.
• Scrap the phony trillion dollar Medicare prescription drug program. Let the seniors buy the safer, much less expensive generic drugs.
• Tell OPEC where to get off by imposing an adjustable energy import tax. The less you charge us, the less we tax your products. And vice versa…..
• Open up the Dakotas and west Texas for horizontal drilling, in order to tap our nation’s vast untapped natural gas and petroleum reserves.
• Structure gasoline and diesel road taxes so as to encourage the use of our abundant natural gas resources for surface transportation…..
• Abolish redundant programs: Department of Homeland Security, Department of Education, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
• Remove all unions from all mass transit in America. Tell transit workers that efficient, privately run mass transit, free of unions, is a matter of national survival.
• Get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan right now! Station these troops stateside until they can find work in the private sector. There was no domino effect when we abruptly left South Viet Nam. There would be no domino effect if we were to abruptly leave Iraq and Afghanistan.
• Call a halt to the phony war on drugs and the corrupt judicial-prison industry that it supports.
Do these things and, bingo, our economy rights itself almost overnight.
George Meredith MD
Virginia Beach
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