Virginia Beach Democratic Committee starts games already
By JR Hoeft | Saturday, November 6th, 2010 | PolicyThe Virginia Beach Democratic Committee is starting to play games with a serious situation already.
“Does anyone want to call “Job Creator” Congressman-elect Rigell’s office and find out what his specific plans for job creation are? Here’s the number — 757.802…..,” writes the committee, led by Susan Mariner, on Facebook.
If the committee had been paying serious attention throughout the campaign, they would know the answer to that question and not resort to petty tactics to distract a team in transition.
Did your current Congressman ever provide you with that specific plan over the past two years? How many times did your current Congressman meet with you in townhalls to discuss that plan? What is your current Congressman’s plan in the lame-duck session – two months worth of still being congressman – going to do for job creation and reducing unemployment?
I suggest Susan Mariner get her own house in order before she resorts to childish tactics. If I were a member of that committee, I’d be ashamed at how far it’s fallen and what tactics it now has to resort to.
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Conservative to the core; liberal with his opinion! J.R. has been involved in politics for over a decade and has worked on several campaigns in Hampton Roads. He has served on the Executive Committee of the Republican Party of Chesapeake and the Central Committee of the Republican Party of Virginia. He is also the director of “Blogs United” in Virginia. E-mail J.R.. Follow J.R. on Twitter.
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49 Responses to "Virginia Beach Democratic Committee starts games already"
Is that their way of asking for a job for Glenn Nye?
Given recent past history with the Governor’s campaign of promises, already broken, it is certainly legitimate to focus on promises made, promises unfulfilled. Of McDonnell’s key promises, he has actually lost jobs, his ABC plan is in tatters, and his transportation initiatives now come down to tolls which are so high they will choke the very economic development he keeps talking about. He, like Rigell, is a master of spin and PR; the requirements of governance have a way of separating the real meat from the baloney. Scott’s first major initiative talked about process, not about what we elected him to do. Get with it, or you will be gone too.
Mike,
You must be living in a different state then the rest of us. Here in Virginia, we’ve added thousands of jobs since McDonnell took over the failed policies of Tim Kaine. Virginia is the second highest job creation state behind Texas since January.
McDonnell promised to audit VDOT, something Kaine decreed a waste of time; we only found $1.4 billion. His transportation initiatives always called for public-private partnerships, please go back and see his original expansive plan from August of last year.
Usually you’re somewhat on point, but in this for instance you’re confusing someplace else with Virginia.
I voted for Nye, but the election’s over, lets let the Rigell take office and hold it a few months before this kind of stuff starts. This whole perpetual campaign thing is getting old
@Mike Barrett, NEW CONTEST
You are always talking the “improving” economy so maybe we will find out.
My business partner is forcing me to put a beachfront house in Kill Devil Hills a mile north of Avalon Pier up for sale for 500K in a week.
How that turns out will tell me a lot about the economy.
I am about as mad at my business partner as I was with Glenn Nye for refusing to talk to the voters.
Why did Glenn Nye decide to ignore the voters in the district ?????
Its after November 3rd yall.. The counts are certified.. Lets move forward. The GA race is coming then the people of chicago get their man back.
Yes Turbo the election is over. However I really do wonder why Nye decided to ignore the voters.
And what plans does the Honorable Mr Golden have for the future? Is he going to sit on a rocking chair on his front porch ?
Frankly, any person with a modicum of knowledge knows that 80% on new job growth occurs as a result of expansion of existing firms, and that is a function of local economic development entities, and of course, the company itself. New projects take anywhere from a year to 18 months, and often longer. For McDonnell to claim credit for these is disingenuous at best, simply false at worst. His budget cuts resulted in 15,600 job loss in local and state government; without the stimulus, which he condemned, the loss would have been much more. Again though, the triumph of PR over fact continues with the McDonnell administration.
I agree, the election is over and Rigell deserves at least until he takes his first vote until the criticism starts. It will be interesting to see how him and the other new GOP members handle the Bush Tax Cuts and raising the debt limit. Seems to me like a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.
As for Kenny, I’m sure he is going back to work. He left his job with SAIC to work full time for the GOP in the 08 and 09 cycles and then left his job again to run for Congress. Luckily someone with his background can walk into just about any major defense contractor and get a 6 figure job pretty easily. He’s also assured me that he will never go back to the GOP and never run for office again, although he has said the first part since he left the party and the second part sine he first filed for office. One and done was always his plan.
Nice to see Mike call himself “any person with a modicum of knowledge”
Mike, at least Gov.McDonnell opened the rest stops that Gov. Kaine closed so we aren’t stopping abruptly on the shoulders of the road to make an emergency dash into the woods for relief. So much for the “failed” policies of your beloved mentor…. Oh, by the way, isn’t he now the chairman of your party? Kaine is running the Democratic party like he ran Virginia and his “chickens came home to roost” on Tuesday night.
To those who really want to know here are the labor statistics From the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics for April to September 2010. Try as I may I could not find the thousands of jobs Gov. McDonnell created. Lets try to stick to the facts instead of just throwing numbers around
Virginia Data Series Back
Data Apr
2010 May
2010 June
2010 July
2010 Aug
2010 Sept
2010
Labor Force Data
Civilian Labor Force (1)in thousands
April May June July August Sept 2010
4,192.4 4,194.4 4,185.6 4,171.8 4,168.8 (P) 4,170.7
Employment (1)
3,889.6 3,895.4 3,892.6 3,882.0 3,879.4 (P) 3,886.0
Unemployment (1)
302.8 299.0 293.0 289.7 289.4 (P) 284.7
Unemployment Rate (2)
7.2 7.1 7.0 6.9 6.9 (P) 6.8
Louis,
The most accurate information is from the Virginia Employment Commission:
http://www.vec.virginia.gov/vecportal/press.cfm
Chris, If Scott votes to raise the debt limit I will call him out on it. No conservative can claim to be one while supporting a rais of the debt limit and frankly I think Scott is wise enough to support not raising it. If he is pressured by rinos in high places to vote for a raise, strong comments from me will follow.
Back to the OP.. We are in for a hell ride is we get ourselves into a currency war with China and other rising economies. Raising the debt ceiling sends the same message that aiming nukes has on the USSR. Scott needs to hold firm to deep tax cuts for business and individuals. The problem will be our embedded tax code which pushed manufacturing industry out of the US and now keeps it out. Nothing creates wealth for our country like manufacturing jobs. In the same token, anyone calling themself a conservative who does not go out of their way to buy American needs to look in the mirror.. Scott and the rest of congress cannot do this job alone.
Turbo, I know Scott is scared sh*tless over your threat to call him out on raising the debt limit. Let’s say the Congress did not raise the debt limit. What happens next, genius? Oh, the United States goes into immediate default on much of its national debt – which we repeatedly refinance to lower the interest rates we pay on our debt because the rates are so low right now. So, the debt limit isn’t raised, and now we are unable to borrow money to finance the government and we have an immediate shutdown. Or the President could say FU Congress I’m going to borrow the money anyway because its a matter of national security that the country has enough money to fund its programs. Now we have a constitutional crisis.
You see, your ideas are just so f’ing ridiculous. You are the principle reason why people hate blogs – commentators such as yourself make most of the blogs unreadable because you are so damned ignorant of important facts.
You see, James Cohen, you are a pathetic loser who pretends to know something about financing the government that is home to the largest economy in the world.
We are not going to balance the budget in 2011 – not even close. It is the pattern of spending that will matter – a clear, undisputed reduction in spending over time.
And what if Obama has to negotiate with the GOP and ties raising the debt ceiling with extending the Bush cuts for all taxpayers for 2 or 4 years? What then? Will you still call Scott out on it?
You’re a blowhard, windbag of a gadfly. In short, you’re a tick turd.
Hey Ron, in your infinite wisdom I am sure you see the privilege the gop has been handed for early 2011. Thats right sunshine, the new gop congress is being forced to vote on the debt ceiling. What a gift rinos may give to the dems. God help them.. if they do raise, the tea parties will rise.
The 15 trillion dollar question is who will bear the brunt of the blame for the socialistic, oops, conservative solution to economic misery? Our soon to be newly installed gop has to avoid raising the debt ceiling or else their party bosses and faux goptea parties will find it near impossible to fend off the politics as usual obstructionist labels. Who gets blamed Ron as the bond markets get all weewee’d up and the actual culprits become the new minority reloading for 2012. Call me a dumbass Ron, go ahead.
For another perspective consider the words of Captain Sullenberger to the passengers: “Brace for impact” and to the tower: “We’ll be in the Hudson”. So Ron, would you blame Sully for the scary warning, the reality of the situation or the hard water landing? Comprende Komrade?
Have a lovely day Ron
One does not get mad at a cat because it acts like a cat. One does not get mad at a shark because it acts like a shark. So why get mad at turbo because he acts like turbo???
While I do not agree with turbo about everything, he is starting to worry about things other then if Congressman-elect Rigell is a RHINO. At one time I thought it was Rhino Rigell too but I was wrong. I think that Scott Rigell will be a pleasant surprise for the voters but I might be wrong there too.
We have a bad economy and high unemployment. Why and what can be done to fix this problem.
We have a federal government that will destroy the economic prosperity of this country with its deficit spending. Why and what can be done to fix this problem.
It seems like turbo is starting to worry about these problems. While I am sure that we will disagree on how to solve them, I am thrilled to death that he is thinking about them.
Comments on the raising of the debt limit. Hopefully the congress (house) will provide sufficient recission bills to provide what is needed to meet our committments. Raising taxes or the debt ceiling does not address our problems to stop spending and get our house in order. It will only provide a reason for more spending. There is no reason to consider spending bills beyond immediate payment of bills until we have a budget in place. Like the gov of NJ, the incoming congress will have to deal with creating a budget and a partial year in which the money has been spent already for the year. These people that keep saying “how are you going to pay for?” and favor an increase in taxes and/or the debt ceiling just do not want to tackle the spending problem.
Since a vote on the debt limit can occur in May, 2011, Mr Wunsch is correct. We need a budget. I forgot about that. As did congress. And the president.
Since no one else pointed this out yet…
Answering Susan Mariner (and other Democrats) will be easy for Scott Rigell and his staff. Rigell has already published his plan for job creation in the Virginian-Pilot and also on his website. I easily found it here: http://www.scottrigell.com/job-creation-in-america-2010/ There are also detailed plans on a host of other topics.
I guess Ms. Mariner didn’t realize that the people of the Second District already saw Scott Rigell’s plans, liked them, and booted Glenn Nye out in favor of Rigell.
@James, thank you for your kind comments. You and Al get it, you both spell out what should be foremost in many minds on this forum. The beer and cigars are on me guys.
In the words of Ron Reagan we must be prepared to reach across the aisle to compromise for principle without compromising on principle. The people have spoken and if we are students of Reagan we will invite Ms. Mariner to speak at rpvb meetings and she will reciprocate. Until leaders from the democrats are treated as opponents instead of enemies it will be less likely that conservatives can maintain the hearts and minds that recently reclaimed the house. I beleive that if former democrat then stalwart republican Ronald Reagan were alive today that he would approve this message.. he upheld this standard of bipartisan communication and won 49 out of 50 states with bipartisan support. Lets do it again.
@Ron – WAY outta line with Turbo. Get off your campaign horse. We are borrowing money, to pay interest payments on the money … we already borrowed. Ya think we might want to take a breath and re-think that plan????
Turbo understands, as do the rest of us, Congressman Rigell has a steep learning curve ahead … as do all the incoming Freshmen. OK, maybe steeper for some than others.
We all anticipate that how the Republicans handle this one issue could be the Republican party’s defining (or Waterloo) moment.
This was a nasty, bloody primary and general campaign. Scott won – and made a bunch of promises (and signed contracts) to win that seat. Just because he’s one of ours doesn’t mean he gets an automatic pass here or within the district.
Speaking of Congressman Rigell, will he commit to joining a Tea Party caucus in the House ?
Say WHAT ?????
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/11/07/va-congressman-elect-backed-tea-party-won-t-commit-house-caucus-2
Lions. And Tigers. And Bears. Oh my.
On the debt limit you people have no idea what the heck you’re talking about. Our country is borrowing $100 BILLION a month. We will never cut spenidng by $100B a month is the next 6 months – therefore we have to raise the debt limit. What concessions will we get from Obama as a price for having to do this? That is the opportunity. The debt limit will have to be raised or we won’t have the money to pay for Defense Department, or make our interest payments on the debt we already have or pay for Medicare claims that are sent to the government.
You guys stand on principle with your ignorance. For me, I’d rather know that we have the money to pay our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and make sure they have the equipment they need to win the war.
In the meantime Rigell will be working with his colleagues on deficit reduction. This isn’t going to happen over night. So Turbo’s idiotic line in the sand on the debt limit show’s how ill-informed he really is.
By the way, this is the same guy who said Kenny could win. Turbo you have no credibility.
Ron, super tuesday has come and gone. I supported Kenny on principle. You supported Scott for your own reasons. I respect the fact that Scott won by a landslide. I am ok with it, gotta be. See if you can get over it too man and lets move forward. Scott is now my representative and I need him to succeed beyind my wildest expectations.
I can feel the love already.
I suggest that we put the departments of the Government not identified in the Constitution up for auction on eBay and sell to the highest bidder… no reserve. If purchased, as if any country or sane corporation would bid on them as a revenue producing “business”, there would be some definite changes under new management. If there are no bids, then we don’t need them, they are then chopped and afterward we turn off the printing presses for a while to catch our breath. Quick and easy giving us the cuts we really need with “direct democracy” making the decisions.
@Ron – Chill out. Prediction: Rigell’s FIRST vote on this will likely be a thumbs down ‘no’, and totally in line with the majority.
Then negotiations begin, circa 1995, but with a potential difference ~public opinion on the Cantor/ Boehner side? Temporary spending bills will take care of Fed obligations while Obama and Congress negotiate spending cuts. Who blinks first will depend upon public opinion polls. This King/DeMint exchange tells us the game plan:
“King: A question first on what comes ahead. Many have said that now that the Republicans have the house and more conservatives in the Senate, when will we know if you’re serious about keeping your promises about spending and the debt. If there is a vote in the congress on raising the debt ceiling, so that the government can continue to print money and spend money should the Republicans say no?
DeMint: I think Republicans will say no. Unless the raising of the debt ceiling is accompanies by some dramatic spending cuts, something that will direct us to a balanced budget in the future, Republicans will not support an increase in the debt limit.”
I have no clue as to the ultimate ‘compromise’ package, but continuing the high level of debt is unsustainable – long term fiscal suicide. The debt ceiling debate is an opportunity, if played right, to pressure for significant spending reductions.
Rigell better learn quick that non-answer-answers like the he gave in that article on the tea party are not going to fly. If he keeps using talking points and trying to stay on message, he will be a one term Congressman.
He won on the message of elect-me and Pelosi is gone. Those talking points won’t work next time. He needs to start giving straight answers, something he never did during the election. In accordance with his campaign against Nye, I’ll be expecting to know where he will vote on the debt limit and the tax cuts long in advance of his actual vote.
Thanks for your expert advice, Chris. How’s Congressman Golden doing?
Chris, if Pelosi becomes minority leader, Rigell will be able to use her again in two years as the gift that just keeps giving. Date line 2012: “Remember the “help” the Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats gave you back in 2010… health care, taxes, debt, and a worthless dollar? Nancy’s baaaaack… and wants to “help” you some more.”
Tim J,
With Republicans in control, that won’t be a winning message like it was this time. Rigell can’t run against someone for re-election. He will have to run on his own merits as an incumbent.
Brian,
Thanks for your expert advice. How is Congressman Loyola doing? Or Senator Williams?
You lost to Mike Wade…enough said.
But I’ve won repeatedly. I’m waiting for your list.
So far, you’ve had a candidate get 4%.
Enough said.
Win repeatedly? Let’s see… Rourk PR
$80,398 Oder for Delegate – Glenn
$3,734 Williams for Senate – Martin
$2,500 McDonnell for Delegate – Robert
$2,000 Villanueva for Delegate – Ronald A
$300 Welch for Delegate – John
Oder won, but he was an incumbent, so unless that was for his first campaign, that’s nothing special. Villaneuva won, but Scimeca ran that, not you. Welch lost, so unless it was his first campaign, nothing special. McDonnell was in a district that couldn’t really be lost and Marty Williams lost to Tricia Stall who ended up losing the Senate. So in other words, your incompetence combined with Mike Wade’s is the reason we lost the majority Senate.
Let’s look at your personal report…
Amount Committee
$25,000 Williams for Senate – Martin
$5,030 Schmidt for Delegate – Peter (R)
$2,000 Miles for Delegate – Delceno
$1,500 Lee for Delegate – Jennifer
$1,250 McDonnell for Delegate – Robert
Schmidt lost, Miles lost, Jennifer lost, although hers was an impossible district. McDonell is a no-brainer…
Am I missing something here? Do you have another company that you work under? I don’t see repeatedly winning… The only winner I know of is Rosemary, but she thought enough of you to go with the ACTards for her Senate race…
Where is your list? My one candidate got supported because he had principles and experience. You support people because they pay you, then you write them negative radio ads in a primary, and when you lose, go on the berate anyone who didn’t get behind the person you just attacked.
Some people can shed their principles to make money, others can’t or won’t. You can hold supporting Kenny against me, but I’ll hold having no principles against you.
Chris, congratulations. You can use the internet.
I won four races this year. Oddly, you missed them.
What have you won?
Must have been federal races or races for city council/school board incumbents?
All the incumbents won, except Seery. I really don’t find anything special about winning local races if you are an incumbent without any serious challengers. Now if you ran DeSteph’s race, kudos to you.
I haven’t won any elections, but I haven’t lost my principles. You have. That’s the difference.
I haven’t lost anything, except patience watching Kenny Golden flipflop all over this ill-fated waste of a career called his campaign. Nice work!
One of my clients actually came in first place while Mr. DeSteph came in second. But thanks for not noticing.
Sorry, VPAP doesn’t track itemized expenditures for local races.
You’re right Brian, you haven’t lost anything. You never had any principles to begin with…
As for Kenny, if you think politics was a career to him, then you are stupider than I could have ever imagined. Not everyone gets involved for personal gain like you do.
Chris,
4%.
Hey guys, the polls closed november 2nd at 7pm.
I am off to help Kenny load the remaining items from his campaign headquarters onto a trailer then around 1pm I am picking up a new Volvo I bought from Scott’s dealership last night.
MOVE FORWARD GUYS
“turbo” did Scott give you a free trailer hitch on the Volvo and is he loaning Kenny his “trailer” to help move Kenny’s stuff?
Let us know if there is a “Chinese” section of the Volvo owners manual.
Xi?n Sheng TimJ, no hitch needed, none offered, no trailer loan needed. Geely holding group is a silent owner of Volvo now due to Ford selling the outfit. I wish it was still a Swedish company and for the most part it remains true to their tradition but the ownership, much like that of many viable companies, is in a part of the world where communists are winning the economic battle using our old rules. Ford chose Geely, a company it has other business with. The manual is perfectly written.
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This excerpt was written by the chinese tea party. Tea Parties are popular in Taizhou and the Zhejiang province.
Back to your comments, Geely knew that Ford overpaid when it bought Volvo and then failed to build on brand awareness effectively on both sides of the Atlantic for no fault of their own but due to a slumping economy. If Ried-Pelosi-Obama screws us some more Geely will be able to buy GM for dimes on the dollar.
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Let’s ask Mike Barrett for a translation as he is probably boning up on Chinese for their eventual takeover of our economy.
Here I thought, with the election over, I wouldn’t see Turbo, Brian and Chris going at each other. BOY was I wrong. What was the original line of thought on this? Oh yes, “games by the DEMs”. Well that’s what it is to them. Games of chance with our money, morals and livelihoods. Let’s get things turned around one vote at a time.
Cheers!
+1 Chris. It is in our best interest to understand how and why we are in debt up to our eyeballs with socialists, yes, communists. They know our psyche pretty well, we should do a better job of understanding theirs.
Create Jobs?
The only thing government can do to create jobs (other than government jobs) is to level the playing field and get out of the way of the private sector.
Government creating jobs… STOP! For what it’s worth Scott understands this and he will support legislation to help business. I wouldn’t be surprised if he sponsors legislation early on to reduce off shore wind approval times to 18 months down from 8 to 10 years.
Brian, your Kenny comments… You make me laugh so much it hurts. That said “Kenny” wasn’t created in a vacuum, I still blame Byler and let the guy alone or he just might run again.
Actually, don’t hold your breath. The republicans are posed to approve a deficit increasing tax break for the richest americans while opposing the extension of unemployment benefits due to soon run out. We certainly know where their priorities lie; that is, more money for the rich to buy better wine and take longer European vacations while those without work are told to eat cake. Frankly, a win in the short term, but can revolt be far away?
Mike, gotta fuel that yacht somehow.
Yes James, and that is the point. Give more tax breaks for the rich and the effect on the economy is negligible. Extend unemployment benefits, and those funds are immediately put back into the economy in local communities. So if you really support job generation and growth, the extension of unemployment benefits is the better option.
@Mike Barrett: As I understand it, there will be another unemployment benefit vote on November 29th and today… “Republicans opposed an extension on the grounds it would have added to the deficit, a concern that has grown more prominent since the midterm elections. There are calls for the cost to be offset by making cuts elsewhere or using unspent stimulus funds, moves that Democrats strongly oppose.” http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/11/18/qa-unemployment-extension/
Works for me; offset extension costs w/ unspent stimulus funds and I’m good with it (although 2-year unemployment check + TRAs + other government benefits seems like an almost excessive amount of time to retrain, update skills, and/or find another paycheck!).
I would also have no problem with extending Bush tax cuts to income earners below 3 million and letting cuts expire for earners above 3 million. (Or 5,10, or 15)
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