Democrat of the Year: Kenny Golden
By Brian Kirwin | Friday, October 29th, 2010 | PoliticsBy far, the most effective Democrat in Hampton Roads, and perhaps Virginia, has been Kenny Golden.
He’s certainly more effective now than he was Chairman of the Virginia Beach Republican City Committee, where his biggest idea was buying Sarah Palin signs that said “Hot VP.”
And he may well do something that no Democrat is capable of doing – Make Glenn Nye a winner. In 2008, Obama’s wave dragged the Nye guy across the finish line.
So, in a sense, Kenny Golden is the new Obama.
When your best mailpiece was paid for by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, we know where your principles lie.
When it was obvious that Kenny’s ill-fated Congressional run as a Republican was going nowhere, he did what any brave man would do.
Whine and quit.
Rather than engage on the issues and fight for his cause, he dropped out and launched a spoiler assault on Scott Rigell.
Cervantes couldn’t have written it better.
Now a race that should be a blowout, a landslide, a national leader in a tsunami to take back Congress, might just turn out to be a nail-biter or, much worse, confining the Second District to a Democrat Representative no longer in the Majority at the precise time when carriers, commands and services are in jeopardy of being dealt away from Virginia.
Let’s be clear. This isn’t about issues. If it was, Golden would be somewhat clear about them, even though clarity isn’t a part of his platform as a rule. Listen to him tell you that no Second District poll with less than 1500 respondents is legitimate, as people who actually do them scratch their heads and laugh at Golden’s lack of understanding of basic math.
Listen to him drone on about the difference between a debate and a candidate forum. Performances like this usually result in families having a very serious conversations about what medical help they can get Grandpa.
At least if Golden is successful, we’ll still have Obamacare to pay for it.
Ask him about whether he’s pro life, and he’ll muddle something about “keeping the government out of abortion” which is akin to favoring “keeping the government out of drug enforcement.” No enforcement means no restrictions, Kenny. That ain’t pro-life.
Parental notification. Parental consent. Want them repealed, Golden? Too much “government” involved in restricting abortion for your tastes?
Kenny Golden won’t sign a pledge to oppose tax increases, not that it would matter anyway. Anyone who switches Political Parties just because he wasn’t hand-picked to stand center stage isn’t one whose pledges are worth the paper they’re printed on anyway.
In 1994, while the rest of the nation joined a GOP majority, Virginia sat it out. An independent candidate kept a weak, ineffective liberal like Chuck Robb in office in office despite most voters opposing him.
Thanks Kenny. Your thumb sucking ego may just repeat history.
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The right wants to jeer him. The left wants to censor him. Moderates usually want both. Brian Kirwin is a political consultant and public relations strategist in Virginia Beach with a lightning-rod flair. Brian also serves on the VB Arts & Humanities Commission and frequently appears on Hampton Roads theatrical stages, if only to prove that all actors aren’t liberals. Kirwin’s columns stir up debate and hit the political scene with no punches pulled.
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96 Responses to "Democrat of the Year: Kenny Golden"
Of late Kirwin’s posts remind me of the Geico ad with the little piggy screaming Weeeee. Except here it’s Waaaaah.
Hear that sound often, Donald? I could post a scene from Deliverance to make you feel more at home.
Golden seems to be a real candidate with honest answers to the questions. I don’t see how one can be critical of him for running a race. He has done it his way. It is the American Way and he should be respected for following his instincts, head and heart.
And it is a valid evaluation and comment on Brian’s comments in recent days. LOL
Spoken like a true union man, William, who will be thrilled to see Glenn Nye return to congress.
Have you people seen the barrage of political mail, touting Kenny Golden and paid for by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee? These mailings are being targeted to Republican voters. The money being spent by Democrats to prop up Kenny Golden is s testament to Kenny’s arrogance. Also, Kenny’s betrayal of his party is completely contrary to the “statesman” image in which he tries to portray himself. I attended the meeting where Kenny was elected GOP party chairman. He promised to support the Republican Party and then less than two years later, he quit his position and screwed us all. What a guy. Let’s hope he turns out to be irrelevant and not a spoiler come election night.
The funniest thing is that you guys think that by insulting Kenny, you will change his mind. Even funnier is that JR and Brian know Kenny well and know that they would never in a million years dare say any of that to his face.
There is a meet and greet tonight at Kenny’s HQ, I dare you Brian to come to it and say every word in this post to Kenny’s face. If you have the backbone to do it, my respect for you will increase dramatically. If you can’t make it, you have Kenny’s number, give him a call.
Oh and as for saying his platform lacks issues and clarity, that couldn’t be further from the truth. Kenny actually has videos where he discusses issues in detail without talking points. He has real plans, not talking points like Rigell and Nye do.
If you think for one second that a car dealer better understands the military, port, and heavy industry that make up the majority of our economy better than a Navy Captain, then you are out of your mind.
Kenny may not win, but if Rigell does, the GOP is going to have to look long and hard about why Kenny ran and why he didn’t drop out. All you have to do is look in the mirror and realize that shoving an inexperienced double talking candidate down the people’s throat was not a good idea. You can lie all you want Brian and JR, but deep inside you know exactly why this happened. Remain in denial if you wish, but that being said, there are far worse Democrats that could be re-elected than DINO Glenn Nye.
“There is a meet and greet tonight at Kenny’s HQ, I dare you Brian to come to it and say every word in this post to Kenny’s face. If you have the backbone to do it, my respect for you will increase dramatically. If you can’t make it, you have Kenny’s number, give him a call.”
Chris, I have plans with my daughter this afternoon. Much better than hanging out with Kenny and his beer fridge.
I’d say every word to Kenny’s face. He knows it.
I’d go on 1650 AM Monday and say it on the air with him.
“You can lie all you want Brian and JR”
I challenge you to find one lie I’ve written, you smarmy wimp.
We’re liars?
Who’s the politician who said he’d drop out of the race if he didn’t break 10%?
I’ll say all of this to Golden’s face because I have something he clearly does not: integrity.
And, Chris, you can say what you just did to my face. I’ll be at Trinity Lutheran in Norfolk tonight at 7:30 p.m., the Norfolk Farm Market rally on E. Little Creek at 1 p.m. tomorrow, and at Trinity’s Oktoberfest at 4 p.m.
Golden is an arrogant chump. He is not a man of integrity in any way shape or form. What kind of Republican “leader” quites the party and runs as an Independent.
This week we are reading Owen Pickett and Al Teich’s obituaries. I assure you that the kind words describing these men will not be said of Kenny Golden.
Despite his military service, which all of us admire, THIS episode is what Kenny Golden will be remembered for.
Kenny, you are a self-centered, arrogant ass. I do not wish you well. You are no longer accepted in polite company. You’re Virginia Beach privileges are revoked.
Brian, what is amazing, and I quote prominent tea party official who have emailed me and will remain anonymous: “Kenny Golden is doing what the Tea Party leadership promised it would do and most non board members support.” “Half the membership is in shock watching this fiasco go down.” “Karen Hurd is in for a big surprise after this election is over.” “Wait a week and shit is going to hit the fan.” “I think Kenny should do what every american has a GOD given right to do, make his own choices.” “Kenny damn near died in wars defending his right to seek office and damnit I am sorry the tea party here in the 2nd has failed the tea party movement.”
Brian, these are all word for word actual quotes from email received from tea party leaders. I feel for them, they are embarrassed and they know that not just supporting a rino is counter to their cause but having a parent organization losing sphincter on the world wide web sends out the message that they are clearly an organ of the GOP. This is disrespectful to anyone who has served in the armed forces and has a spine. You know it.
I think it is telling when Kenny is taking more votes from Nye, Tea Party has spiked the GOP KoolAid and Rigell is neck and neck with Nye.. You, YOU, ALL OF YOU RINOS chose a weak candidate. You rinos, yes I said that, you rinos chose a big government tax magnet over experience and you still can’t win 45% with or without Kenny in the race.. I am laughing so hard I have to wipe coffee off my keyboard. We’ll see who gets the last laugh in 3 days.
Hey Ron, shave and get out of those pink undies you stole from grandma then man up and tell that to Kenny yourself. Kenny Golden fought for your right to support Scott the cuddly Rino.. literally fought, damn near died when his bird ditched in the middle of the night at sea. Since he survived, he has the priviledge and the right to seek office. Shame on YOU Ron. Guys like you inspire Kenny to duke it out.
James, how do you know Golden is pulling votes from Nye?
The last thing I had ever thought about Brian was that he was a cry baby. But this silly season brings out the worst in all of us. Perhaps the republican party should reconsider coronation in place of actual primaries. Selecting and annointing a chosen candidate in the back room does not seem to please the base anymore. The only way a disgruntled republican can register their outrage is to vote for Golden or Nye. Brian knows that, and as a master tactician, he goes for the jugular, forgetting that citizens really do care about the triumph of wealth, power, and connections over their interests.
Kudos to Brian for just telling it like it is, Welcome to Reality my Friends.
Kenny and crew have burned their bridges. As far as Turbo’s diatribe it’s not worth the energy to respond.
Mike,
You’re so full of it.
Coronation? Hardly. Rigell had to run the gauntlet like a man against 6 highly skilled and qualified Republicans. Ben Loyola and Bert Mizusawa ran fantastic campaigns and almost pulled it off.
But they all stayed in the primary. They all ran as Republicans. They didn’t jump ship because they didn’t think they could win.
They didn’t make promises they knew they wouldn’t fulfill.
I am deeply disappointed in Kenny Golden. I have little to no respect for someone who is aiding Nancy Pelosi yet still calls themselves a conservative.
The goal is to get Nye OUT. The protest vote is to protest Obama. The battle for the heart and soul of the GOP begins, as Richard Vigeurie says, on November 3.
The HRTP Board and many of our members have no illusions that the GOP has seen the light. Clearly Boehner, McConnell, and Cantor, are already making noises about earmarks and “bipartisanship”. They are seeking to choose the chiefs of staffs for the incoming GOP freshmen (arrogance). Michael Steele’s “faith in the Constitution” has been restored. (What an idiotic statement). It is ridiculous.
Each race is different. The issue is not whether or not Kenny has the right to run. As we said in our press release, it is not about his service. This is not a love fest nor a “who is the nicest person” contest. This election is about throwing a monkey wrench into the Obama machine. PERIOD. That is where the protest vote should go. Getting rid of Nye.
McDonnell should have never endorsed in the VA-2 primary. It effectively quarantined all the other campaigns from donors and support. The 2nd District Chair certainly could have leveled the playing field, and really allow the public to decide, but the advantage was Rigell’s from the beginning. That was clear.
Regardless, Rigell was duly elected. People can complain about that, or accept the political realities and work within them to achieve the goal of stopping a runaway congress. The principled decision is to stop the freedom and U.S. destroying- “Team Obama”.
We have a two party system. It is rigged. It is often unfair. But it is what we have. Ross Perot who outspent and out manned BOTH major parties couldn’t overcome it. And we got the sleaziest President in history, Bill Clinton. Are the Golden supporters asking to repeat history, albeit on a smaller scale?
The simple truth is that the PRIMARY is where these battles are really fought to choose the best conservative candidate.
The HRTP Board of Directors did the right thing in calling on Kenny Golden to withdraw. Decisions like that are not easily made ever. A minority in the movement disagree – like 5%. That is their choice. How will they feel on November 3 if Nye is declared the winner? What will they do then? They bear a responsibility for that. If they are willing to make that choice it is certainly their right as an American. But the HRTP Board and the majority of our members don’t agree.
It is clear from Turbo’s rant that he isn’t interested in winning. He NOW knows what we’ve all known since the second Golden dropped out of the race that he had ZERO chance to win.
So, Turbo is “happy” because Nye may be able to pull a miracle. That says more about Turbo (and his bitterness in general) than anything else.
If Nye does win, do you know what will happen? Redistricting. Randy Forbes will take about 1/3rd of Va Beach out into the 4th District so his “soft R” district becomes a “hard R”. Nye will pick up more seats in Norfolk, and Va Beach will become what Chesterfield County and Hampton; an area split into multiple districts and thus no real advocate in Congress. It will assure that baby-face Nye is our Congressman for the next 20 years.
Part of what makes Kenny such a joke, is that when he was GOP Chairman he trashed Peter Schmidt (former Republican who served in George Allen’s Administration) for a) first challenging Bob Purkey in a GOP Primary and b) then leaving the GOP to run against Purkey again.
Golden publicly trashed the man for being a traitor. However, his motives and his actions show that he was only using the GOP for his own ego and political gain. When it no longer was a conduit, he left it.
Then brags on WNIS how he “loves” the mailers being done on his behalf by the Democratic Party.
On November 3rd, Golden will loose, loose quite badly. And he will have NOTHING to show for it. He will never be allowed back into the local GOP. he will have spent a mountain of personal money. For what? To be able to participate in debates and forums?
Golden’s legacy in this town among so many people that supported him when he was Party Chairman is in the toilet. He’ll never get that back, and I personally do NOT want him to drop out of the race, I can’t wait to see how idiotic his supporters look on election night when he doesn’t even break 5 or 6%
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Well J.R., I regret you fell right into the trap. Perhaps after this election, we will get your real analysis. Others who have posted on this forum with detailed knowledge of how the coronation was rigged to ensure Rigell’s ascension have posted the details, but suffice it to say that it was preordained by the selective offering of the resources of the in party apparatus. Your denial can simply be attributed to your fear that the power play may have come up short. Frankly, even if you win, you have sold your soul to the tea party, and when you read the post above, you may have made a deal with the devil.
@Brian Kirwin a.k.a “Natural Born World Shaker” and friends – this is party boss tactics. Whether/not you agree or disagree with Kenny Golden’s plans or opinions, he IS the one distinguishable candidate in the race. On fiscal, military and defense issues; there is little difference between Nye and Rigell policy positions … which means independent voters will consider competence when making their choice.
You make the mistake as Karen Hurd – underestimating the ‘anger and disgust’ voters feel towards BOTH parties. We don’t trust either!
VBP coronated Rigell too early, without completely testing or vetting his background, veracity, or competency. Now please, live with your choice and let the cards fall where they will. This transparent attempt to subvert ‘the will of the people,’ – by limiting voter’s choice at the ballot box – is offensive and repulsive…. and obviously is generated by the Rigell campaign.
FACTCHECK: “At least if Golden is successful, we’ll still have Obamacare to pay for it.” – Brian Kirwin
Doubtful, since Nye, RIGELL, and Republican leaders)</b are on record as a "NO" to repeal/replace; "an effort in futility". Kenny is the ONLY candidate now in favor of repeal/replace. Keep it real and honest Kirwin.
Yawn….if Nye wins Tuesday, it is Kenny Golden to blame for it.
You know Kenny’s number Brian and JR, I’ll ask him when he gets back to the office whether you called.
It’s (804)644-1966, right?
The tea party is a product of the devil?
Gee, Mike…I know it’s Halloween and all, but isn’t that just a bit extreme.
Of course, the president called them “enemies” on a recent radio show appearance, so it’s nice to know that the left and the leader of the country thinks that their political counters are “enemies” from the “devil.”
United we stand, eh?
@ Brian – As usual … another non-answer when called out on facts. Too busy spinning to verify accuracy I guess?
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Brian,
Lot’s of complaints about Golden continuing to run on this site, and lots of personal attacks on him.
What I haven’t seen is anybody even suggesting Golden is less conservative than Rigell.
I too have received more a few of the DCCC mailings, and even one from the State Democrat party.
They’re incredibly effective against Rigell because they correctly point out Kenny Golden is the most conservative candidate in the race.
Your problem is the Republican Party hasn’t made a plausible case Rigell isn’t likely to be another, go along to get along, reach across the aisle Republican.
Golden would be polling zero if Rigell was a known solid conservative.
But he isn’t. He’s the party ‘leadership’s ‘choice. And frankly his history, as a intolerant and destructive church member, tax authority backer, and Obama donor, suggests strongly that his instincts aren’t particularly good. Individually these decisions might be tolerable, as a group they are the sort of thing which causes this voter to lose confidence in his ability to command.
Someone mentioned “The simple truth is that the PRIMARY is where these battles are really fought to choose the best conservative candidate.” The simple truth is that didn’t happen this year and so we are being given a choice of three contenders for best candidate now.
Is anyone seriously suggesting Golden would have accepted the people’s choice after the Republican primary, if the fix hadn’t been in for Rigell?
Shutting up and obediently voting the way our self appointed betters from the ‘smart republican leadership’ says is best and backing their candidates no matter what is how we got to where we are today.
I got two flyers from the RNC yesterday too. They tell me to vote Republican to beat Pelosi and Reid. Oddly enough they don’t mention Scott Rigell.
I wonder why?
Some woman on the radio (1650) yesterday mentioned something about a hold your nose and vote republican situation here in VA-2.
Sorry, I did that in 92 for the “read my lips’ guy, in 96 for the grumpy dude who’s turn it was that year, in 2004 because we were in a war and that trumped’ compassionate conservatism’. In 2008 I voted for Palin.
This election isn’t about giving the Republican Party yet another chance to get its’ act together.
It is an election to start saving our constitutional form of Government.
This year I’m voting for the most conservative candidate.
Kirwin – you’re too much – LMAO.
The unfortunate thing is that some of these folks really believe in Golden, and it was nice to see their activism and participation. What will they do after he loses?
Let’s look at 2012.
If Rigell loses, there will be another GOP primary.
My favorite right now for the nomination would be Ben Loyola.
Will Golden challenge Loyola for the GOP nod? No way. The GOP will never forgive him to support his candidacy.
That means he has to run again as a 3rd party candidate. But, as we have seen time and again from Perot, to LaRouche, to Buchanan, to Nader, to Light Rail Gail – they’re unique the first time, but have no chance in future campaigns.
In 2012, Obama will be at the top of the ticket again, and Nye might have things going for him for re-election, especially since he’ll get the base back by being able to be a card-carrying liberal Democrat on some issues when in the minority. Loyola might have a tough time unseating him.
What am I getting at? That these guys supporting Golden had some fun this campaign, but absolutely nothing to show for it but a Democratic congressman for quite awhile.
“What I haven’t seen is anybody even suggesting Golden is less conservative than Rigell.”
Then read my post and then comment again.
JR…not bad, eh?
Gee, with all of this “man up” talk, the Golden headquarters should put in a boxing ring and invite those with another point of view into the ring with Kenny. Mike Barrett could be the referee that everybody hates.
Maybe President Clinton should come down and have a talk with Kenny about his candidacy and how he should stay the course to help keep Nye in the seat. If you slip Clinton a couple of hundred bucks you can get a picture with him and for a few hundred more, you can get an autograph to put on your web page next time you run.
If Scott Rigell loses I will blame the 2nd District Chair – Mr. Gary Byler
The only way Nye can beat Rigell is via Kenny Golden. Don’t believe me? Some of the smartest Democrats in the country agree and they are dumping tons of money into the Virginia 2nd District and it’s ending up in my mail box. I’ve gotten no less than four glossy mailers of which the first one I could have sworn Kenny produced but low and behold it was paid for by the Democratic Party of Virginia! The Democrats will likely spend more than $300,000 dollars marketing Kenny Golden as a hard core conservative in an effort to secure my vote. If you voted in the last few Republican primaries you too are likely to witness this absolutely BS Machiavellian campaign tactic.
Kenny Golden is the direct byproduct of Gary Byler and his leadership. I saw firsthand how the Republican Party, lead by Gary, slanted the playing field and treated Kenny Golden, among others, like dirt during the opening stages of the Republican Primary. This lack of impartiality and back room dealing directly resulted in Kenny running as an independent. Do I blame Kenny? Maybe a little bit but the real culprit is Gary Byler.
My hope is that Kenny realizes he is being USED by the Democrats. I hope he calls a press conference to support Scott Rigell. There is still time for him to make a difference and earn back the respect he once held within the Republican Party. My hope is that he will then campaign against Byler for 2nd District Chair to effect change from within. Do that Mr. Golden and you have my word I will do everything in my power to help you succeed.
Oh please, what a croc. You did this to yourselves. I think Scott Rigell is a decent and honorable man, but he has a history of moderation, pragmatism, and business oriented decision making. But he is an evangelical, and you figured he was the man you and the leadership wanted, so you had to remake him into the arch conservative, tea party courting radical right member of the republican hierarchy. You rigged access to the data bases the right wing of the party controls, and you made him into a Cantor/Boehner clone. I could have voted for the Scott Rigell I know, but that is not who is running. Nye is my guy, but if you would stop with the extremism, you might actually contribute to solutions.
[...] Unhappily, it seems unlikely that Kenny Golden will pull out of the race. Will this actually be helpful, causing disaffected Nye voters to see Golden as their alternative? Or will he split the conservative vote? [...]
Jay D, I’ll suggest it and say it; Rigell is more conservative than Kenny. Not a contest. Your fact check on health care is way off, not sure where you got Kenny as the only one on the record but Rigell has repeatedly said that.
Brian, you’re brilliant. As if you need the reassurance.
Which Rigell, D.J.? The new Rigell who is a creation of the ad campaign, the party hierarchy, and the national team of Cantor/Boehner, or the real Rigell who lived in this community, advocated for transportation improvements and the taxes and fees to pay for them?
“What I haven’t seen is anybody even suggesting Golden is less conservative than Rigell.”
Define Conservative: 1) Rigell gave $1,000 to Obama’s political race 2) Rigell took $440,000 bailout in the Cash for clunkers program and Rigell gave $10,000 to the raise the sales tax effort.
Did Golden do any of the above?
Brian: I’ll spell it out for you….Golden is more conservative that Rigell…
And JR should have written: “I am deeply disappointed in Scott Rigell. I have little to no respect for someone who is aiding Nancy Pelosi yet still calls themselves a conservative.”
And BTW: I think Nye sucks. However he is the better choice over Ridgell. Golden has earned my respect just for telling the GOP that they got it all wrong by allowing Rigell to buy his own way to the nomination.
And sorry that I spelled Rigell wrong above in the last paragraph…
Brian,
Re-Read it. Two issues in your post.
Abortion? Nothing will change the abortion dynamic until the Supreme Court changes. Congressmen have no role there. Golden’s position is “leave me alone”, solidly in the small government category. Is Scott Rigell running on a “I’m going to make abortion illegal platform”? He can’t deliver that and you know it. I missed it where Golden proposes changing any existing Abortion laws. Got a link? Otherwise this makes no useful distinction between the two no matter how I personally feel about it.
As for taxes? Sorry. That’s one of those places where I don’t believe Rigell. He’s late to the no new taxes position and a $10,000 donation to a raise the tax campaign is a more sincere indication of his real feelings. Golden’s budget cutting plan is more specific and cuts harder than Rigell’s, pledge or no.
Today’s mailers from Scott.
First Scott’s for the Second Amendment. Wow! Nye or Golden aren’t? When was the last serious Federal attempt to limit gun rights? Clinton was the president. (Hint, this is probably the wrong thing to bring up to gun owners given both Bush Sr. and Jr.’s 2nd Amendment positions.)
Second “Is Nye really independent?, he voted 83% of the time with Pelosi etc.” OK so what? Golden isn’t going to back her for speaker or anything else.
More conservative? I’m not seeing it.
Al, just because you don’t believe it or deem it not relevant doesn’t make it true.
I think it’s pretty important to want to protect innocent human life. I’m saddened that you don’t.
Mike, both versions are more conservative than Kenny Golden
Al, there’s more to life than money, there’s issues, and Rigell (not Ridgell) is more conservative than Kenny on most of them. On energy policy, on abortion, on off-shore drilling. And no, Scott Rigell is not running on a make abortion illegal platform. For someone trying to comment on the race you seem desperately ill-informed. Maybe you should look past the propaganda and get some real information?
Brian,
Nice try on the condescending attack by the way. Don’t feel too sorry for me as you presume facts not in evidence. (I think technically that’s called a straw man.)
Your turn to Re-Read it.
BACK TO THE ISSUE, Who to vote for on November 2.
Nothing will change the abortion dynamic until the Supreme Court changes.
Congressmen have no role there.
Scott could be for instant execution of abortionists, but he can’t make that happen.
AGAIN, the question is who to vote for as the Congressman from VA-2, not Supreme Court Justice.
If your best argument for Rigell is that he takes a position I may like on an issue he cannot influence it’s no sale for the car dealer.
The question is what will he do where I care and he can make a difference?
And how will what he offers be better than Golden’s positions?
Al, you think that’s an attack? Do feathers usually bother you?
“Nothing will change the abortion dynamic until the Supreme Court changes.”
Wow..all those years fighting for parental notification and consent were wasted, according to you.
Scott Rigell is the ONLY candidate that has signed never to raise taxes. Kenny Golden REFUSES to sign a pledge not to raise your taxes.
Perhaps its because his VERY FIRST policy statement released to the press showed he was OPEN to tax increases.
FROM GOLDEN’S OWN PRESS RELEASE – 2/22/2010
“Pay As You Go Act – Requires new proposals to be either budget neutral, offset with budget cuts elsewhere, OR PAID FOR BY A TAX INCREASE. This would ensure that no new spending or tax cuts will increase the deficit.”
So, Golden is weak on taxes, is open to a tax increase as part of his Paygo legislation, and refuses to sign a no new tax pledge.
So, Golden is a social liberal, adn he’s bad on taxes. More conservative than Rigell? Give me a break.
A vote for Golden is a vote for Pelosi.
Bryan, stop displaying your hysteria. If your guy loses, it will he his and the party’s fault for trying to make a silk purse from a sows ear. Even in the release you quote, which by the way reminds us of Clinton’s success in reducing debt, Golden does not say he would vote for a tax increase. So please, don’t put words in his mouth. He can speak for himself.
I love how every time someone questions Golden’s integrity, his mouthpiece challenges them to have a fist fight with Kenny. I know Kenny read’s BD. So, Kenny, do you really want to have a bare knuckled brawl with all of us who think you are a piece of shit for abandoning your principles and putting your ego before the interests of the party and our country? So Kenny if you don’t sound off here, I’ll assume you are a hot-tempered bully, not a thoughtful considerate adult.
No one questions your precious right to run. It’s how you went about it that pisses every one off. You were a “party leader”, didn’t see things go your way, jumped ship out of spite and put your precious ego first. What a lousy epitaph for your life. Make no mistake, this is what you will be remembered for. I will make sure it is in all of the papers when you’re gone and you get a little three sentences in the Virginia Beach Beacon – sorry, you don’t rate the main sheet.
And oh by the way, David Beemer, its a little early to be pointing fingers at Byler. If the Commodore can’t make responsible decisions affecting our district and the country without being affected by that idiot Gary Byler then he had no business being Beach Party Chair or a member of Congress to begin with.
And, JR, enough of this nonsense about who the GOP nominee might be in 2012. It will be Rep. Scott Rigell running for re-election. ;-}
Or Ron…
Kenny used the GOP. He used it when it worked for him. He left it when it no longer suited him. He had a right to run, he announced as a Republican. When he realized he was going to loose, he left the party.
And stop this whining about it being a “rigged” primary. You can’t “rig” how 30,000+ people vote in a primary. It’s impossible.
Of course, Kenny’s Kool-Aid drinkers insist that the “party insiders” backed Rigell which meant he raised cash. First, that shows a clear lack of understanding of how money is raised. Second, HOW DOES THAT EXPLAIN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAT BERT MIZUSAWA WAS ABLE TO RAISE? If followed Kenny’s Kool-Aid drinkers logic, then he shouldn’t have been able to raise a dime since he wasn’t backed by “party insiders.”
I can’t wait until election night, Kenny “5%” Golden will be exposed for the fraud that he is.
When are you tea party dopes going to realize the Rove Republicans don’t want you, only your votes?
@ DJ- Voters may not agree with Golden or Nye’s positions, but we know their viewpoints (on Repeal/Replace) have been “consistent” (Rigell’s new buzz word).
What I KNOW is: Scott’s position changed, several times.
What I SUSPECT is: He privately agrees R&R is a fruitless cause, but it whips folks up & buys him TP support, so heck – use it!
Aug 19: “Do you think the heath care law should be repealed and a new law developed?” SR Answer: No
Aug 28: Rigell signs tea party pledge.
Oct 15: “Do you want to repeal this bill and start over again” SR Answer: Yes
Scott Rigell to Kenny Golden: “Voting to repeal, frankly Kenny, ain’t gonna work!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4APKDtpsf60
Scott’s strategy may work, especially with a willing media and angry electorate. Unfortunately, it also demonstrates Scott Rigell and Karen Hurd’s “core principals” can be traded-off (or bought-off) for support. Sorry DJ. I know this ‘thing’ I have about looking for honesty, integrity, and ability is a real bummer.
There is a fundamental lack of honor in this progression.
When you say that Scott Rigell is a conservative, is the following what you mean and want to conserve?
When you create subordinate classes within your church and then attempt to merge Church and State, you carry forward the inequalities within your religion into the public sector. Rigell and his Trinity Church do not embrace the equality of women or gays. They are highly conflicted over human sexuality. Debating the “mark of Cain” for the subordination of people of color is reserved for future discussion. “Religious Fundamentalism” is a jealous mistress governing through intellectual fascism. Scott Rigell will tell you that he left his previous church for ordaining gays, while seldom commenting on his conflict with their ordination of women. His newly created and published church doctrine does not mention gays, while making sure to once again openly subjugate women over their sexuality. The Bible has many passages defining women; none is more misogynous or destructive than the one he has chosen as his guide. Women in Scott Rigell’s church and throughout America, with Fundamentalist driven Constitutional changes, will forever be defined by:
1 Timothy 2:11-14 (New International Version): 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
As a result, women in his church may never be ruling or teaching elders, meaning they may never interpret the bible or vote to remove themselves from bondage. In Scott Rigell’s merged Church and State America, all women once again become second class citizens.
(For church doctrine review paragraph four: http://trinitychurchvb.com/elder-qualification )
J.S. Mill: The almost despotic power of husbands over wives needs not be enlarged upon here, because nothing more is needed for the complete removal of the evil, than that wives should have the same rights, and should receive the protection of law in the same manner, as all other persons, and because, on this subject, the defenders of established injustice do not avail themselves of the plea of liberty, but stand forth openly as the champions of power.
Publius… thanks for insulting all of us Christians who recognize that men are equal but different, just as women are equal but different from men. There is nothing sexist about churches that do not ordain women. I’m sorry if doctrine is something that bothers you. If you don’t like it, go worship in a Unitarian Church or something. Take your snarky, condescending attitude towards religion somewhere else. (Btw, I’m not a fundamentalist or an Evangelical.)
So you think these are verses of womens equality!
1 Timothy 2:11-14 (New International Version): 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
Wow: You’re nuts! In 2010, we are all equal and to suggest otherwise is just ignorance. I’d never suggest to my wife, daughter or grand-daughters they are less than any man.
I don’t know how you all live with your views…
William
These are not my views, they are Scott Rigell’s religous conservative as opposed to constitutional conservative views. Are these the beliefs that you want to guide America and the Second District?
Hurts to watch but get some popcorn and turn on the groove tube..
Actually I believe there are many other Bible verses that say a woman should be submissive to her husband, in the church, etc.
I covered the bases by commanding my wife to be my equal. If she obeys me, she’s then being submissive, correct?
Brian,
Kind of puts a whole new perspective on the demonization of Nancy Pelosi. How dare she be in a leadership position. How dare she speak out instead of submitting to the wisdom on John Boehner and Eric Cantor. Why won’t she just be silent?
I work with animals every day. Reading animls or human body language offers more information than an animal handlers report, a resume or advertising. I am an amatuer handler (animal, not politician) and I am going to review what I beleive Scott exhibited at the last real debates and a forum of his own that I recorded..
(yes, this is a friendly note to Scotts handlers and yes as a decorated officer Kenny Golden “went to school” and is fully aware of all of this and more. Nye appears to have been schooled quite well on this.)
1. Scott was often avoiding direct head on level eye contact indicating discomfort, disagreement and embarrassment.
2. He momentarily crossed arms, a posture indicating anger and defensiveness.
3. When Kenny spoke he often was seen moving away or tilting his chair back, an instinctual way of saying “hey, you are too close and you are invading my space.
4. Constant fidgeting and touching finger tips show nervousness and in some cases boredom but this was not a boredom gesture me thinks.
5. Rubbing hands which is a sign of nervous anticipation ie, what now?
6. Sitting with hands in the air over his head which is a form of smugness or delusional superiority.
7. Scott exhibited open palms which is a submissive gesture of sincerity, openness and innocence, something less often seen from leaders of the pack.
8. Finger tapping is body language that indicates impatience but it can also be associated with a subliminal form of public masturbation. (whoa, not my words.. verbatim from my source)
9. Patting palm or hands while speaking exhibits a lack of self-confidence or relating to an imprinted insecurity from childhood.
10. Stroking chin = Trying to make a decision and nothing else.
11. Momentarily looking down with face and or eyes turned away shows disbelief. Face or eyes looking up and away is disbelief and arrogant.
12. Putting tips of fingers of one hand against tips of the other hand shows confidence.
13. Clearing throat is a reflex to sudden nervousness. (kinda like oops I pooped my britches)
At 0:21 sec number 13 came up. I am in the process of analysing this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN9GfKJwKZs and the LWV debate but I will not be dissing Scott with the notes I have made publicly. At 2:31 number 11.. All 13 of these were noted in this 2:42 minute clip.
Folks, like it or not the dems have hired pros to profile Kenny and Scott. I do not like some of their tactics but this is politics and all 3 candidates are fair game. Feel free to analyse what you wish to.
Al, that’s the best thing you’ve written yet.
Judging by how gorgeous and well trained all of Turbo’s dogs are, I’d say hes got the animal/human body language thing down pat.
That was a very interesting review of body language…
any good rep knows his wife is in control of everything good in his life now this race is over we will elect scott rigell mr golden has only able to kill his own future i have not missed a chance to vote since 72 i will break that streak if mr golden runs again
Turbo Cohen: Each Word More Useless Than The Next.
Perhaps the single most moronic thing he has ever written on bearing drift, and given the sheer level of stupidity he has displayed, that is saying a lot.
Bryan bless your heart.. coming from you, I take that as a compliment.
@Turbo:
You still betting Golden is going to win on Tuesday? PLEASE? I need the extra cash!
Put your money where you mouth is. I BEG OF YOU
Done. Made a final large donation to Golden for Congress in your honor. And what do you read in the tea leaves?
Brian,
I asked where Golden is less conservative than Rigell
You mentioned abortion and Taxes.
I countered and now you’re down to arguing abortion only.
I pointed out this is something where the US Congress has ZERO impact.
And that’s who we’re voting for on Tuesday, Congressman from VA-2.
You told me I didn’t care about human life. “I think it’s pretty important to want to protect innocent human life. I’m saddened that you don’t”. That’s Crap.
And, yes that’s’ an attack on my honor not just “feathers”, suggesting I don’t care about human life. You have NO, that’s ZERO evidence that’s my position. Pretty lame argument technique don’t you think?
It is also a version of the liberal “it’s for the children” BS we get on any number of other issues.
Deployed when rational discussion isn’t going your way I view it as the equivalent to the internet Godwin’s law flag indicating you’re losing the argument on the merits.
Bottom line, like DJ’s comment about caring more about money, it’s a distraction because abortion doesn’t matter in this case since I’m not asking who to elect to the Supreme Court or Presidency.
Or, did I miss a federal parental notification law passed by congress along the way?
Parental notification is a state legislative issue, that’s embodied in the 10th amendment to the US Constitution, if you aren’t too busy looking into the biblical basis for Scott Rigell’s church positions, you could take the time to read our governing documents and know that.
Parental notification (or the candidates position on abortion) is a nullity in terms of the impact of who sits in the VA-2 seat.
Again, If I weren’t in Va-2 and in the present mess I’d be a likely Republican Voter. 30 years of voting history suggests I’m your man.
So why not answer my question and make the case for Scott?
Who is the more conservative candidate, specifically in terms of their impact as a congressman? GOLDEN or RIGELL?
I’ll mention again, I’m asking for information to help decide about who to vote for in VA-2, not the US senate or presidency.
To be absolutely clear, I’ll repeat my question from Friday.
Who is the more conservative candidate?
GOLDEN or RIGELL?
And to be even more specific, conservative in a way which their membership in the US Congress matters?
Rigell or Golden.
I get that you’re mad as hell at Golden.
So far you still haven’t made the case for Rigell.
DJ,
I’ve kept up with the issues but where’s the advantage for Rigell? Significant differences please, be specific or confine yourself to spelling corrections.
(BTW nice condensation, are you a student of Norman Vincent Peal? That’s a great way to win friends and influence people.)
And next time you snark about spelling be sure to improve your aim.
Your gripe is with William, not me.
Condensation or condescension? I hope you don’t mean the water the accumulates outside a cold glass of water.
DJ,
condescension.
Thanks for catching that.
Do you anyone wil answer my question?
@AI
I guess the bigger question is whether you believe we should have another 2 years of a Democratically controlled House. If you believe Speaker Pelosi deserves another 2 years, then vote for Golden.
Because if you are a conservative and you vote for Golden you are doing EXACTLY what the Democratic liberal machine in Washington wants you to do.
Regardless of principles (Scott Rigell pledges never to raise taxes, Kenny Golden refuses to do so), the bottom line is every independent poll indicates that this is a Nye vs. Rigell race.
Why is Nye featuring Golden in a tv ad? Why is the Democratic Party of Virginia mailing Republicans hyping Golden? Because they want to split the center-right coalition.
So, you may vote for Golden, and be doing what Nancy Pelosi wants you to do.
I saw on Fox that the Dems are doing this all over the country, doing mailers and tv ads on behalf of independent candidates in hopes of driving a wedge with center-right voters.
I must admit, it is a smart strategy, but the bigger question, will conservatives fall for it?
Because, on election night, if Nye or Periello survive this election because of votes going to third party candidates, the people celebrating on election night won’t be conservatives.
It will be liberals.
As a voter getting paper political spam in snail mail, “should I fall for it or shouldn’t I fall for it”… that is the question.
And there has been a lot of “condensation” on the inside of my mailbox lately from the piles of steaming political mail I keep getting. Its kind of like getting piles of free comic books that that are colorful and entertain, but don’t convince.
I’m confining myself to spelling corrections as requested.
Bryan, DJ, JR, Kirwin,
By all accounts, including betting houses overseas that have already paid out bets, Pelosi is gone. 1 seat in Virginia is not going to change the fact that she is done for as speaker. That being said;
What do you have against Golden now that your “A vote for Golden is a vote for Pelosi” argument is gone?
Nye isn’t Periello, calling him a liberal is a huge stretch.
@Al ~ Doubtful you’ll get straightforward answer on this from Rigell’s camp.
Cracked me up to watch the primary’s “who-is-the-most-conservative” contest – there is no single definition for conservative. Depends on what type your are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States
Good luck getting an answer, but don’t hold your breath.
@Chris – Sure seems the guy that knows the most, about the District’s largest industry… should be your guy?
@Chris. Oh wait, I mean KENNY, the Dems are trying all over the country to boost third party candidates to split the Republican vote.
So KENNY, don’t you think its pathetic that you are a former GOP Chairman and the Democratic Party has done more mail for you than you have ever done for yourself?
So KENNY, don’t you think its pathetic that you are getting used like a dirty Kleenex by the very Democratic Party that you tried as a GOP chairman to defeat?
So KENNY, don’t you think its pathetic that you are headed towards a 5 or 6% of the vote? Is THAT why you’ve destroyed your reputation and name in this town for?
So KENNY, don’t you think its pathetic that you will forever be known as a TRAITOR?
@Meeropol
So you’re telling us that the GOP has it in the bag so we don’t need to worry about losing a GOP seat in our home district?!
That kind of thinking is foolish. We’re talking about our local representative and you’re asking conservatives to vote not for the GOP, but for the Golden-Nye ticket. That’s what is has become. You do realize that? Of course not-your thought process doesn’t comprehend political reality as is evidenced by your posts.
These two guys are working to get enough of the vote to keep Scott Rigell (or the GOP) from representing VA-2. Is that what conservatives want for their hoe district? Nye wins because Kenny golden and the DNC led enough of you astray?
We can’t listen to fools like Meeropol. It is short-sighted, aelf-centered thinking.
The Golden-Nye ticket must be defeated!
Chris, I guess you’d like congratulations if, through no work of yours, the Congress goes Republican and, through your work as well as Kenny Golden’s and the rest of your team, we get stuck with a Democrat who is made doubly weak by the fact he isn’t even in the majority anymore.
Aircraft Carriers? JFCOM?
Boy, the influence we won’t have!
Thanks to you.
More like the influence we could have had if we elected Golden. JFCOM, carriers? Golden is a plank owner at one and spent 20 years on the other. Uniformed military will listen to Scott ask questions at a hearing and fight to hold back the laughter…
It was really a rhetorical question. You don’t say Rigell is the better candidate, you don’t say he is better on the issues, especially the military ones. You don’t say Golden isn’t qualified, you only say he cannot win. So I say now that your Pelosi argument is gone, what do you have to say about why he would not make a good congressman?
Your arguments about party loyalty or winning elections don’t do a damn for the American people at the end of the day. Look at where its gotten us. Until people vote on qualifications only, this country will continue to slide down the tubes and be pushed along on its way by ignorant partisan hacks like Brian, JR and DJ.
Enjoy election day Brian, because when its all over, I’ll know I voted for who I know could best represent the district. You know Rigell was not the right guy, but you support him anyway because you are nothing more than a hack. For someone to help produce such awesome radio ads against Rigell for Loyola (correct me if I’m wrong on that one), you sure do fight hard for him on Bearing Drift. To me, that is the definition of a hack with no principles. Fight against a candidate one day and after the primary you’re his biggest supporter. That phenomenon is the worst of America and the political parties.
Oh and by the way, any argument against someone besides that they are not qualified or wrong on the issues belongs in Communist China, not America. If you can’t make an argument based on qualifications, then go live somewhere else, because you obviously don’t believe in what makes America great.
Chris, don’t we kind of have a representative republic where we “vote” for our guys and gals and whomever gets the most votes, no matter what their “qualifications” happen to be, wins? Communist China also has elections at the local village and for “people’s congresses” which are all under the control of the Communist party. The inference is that the Republicans now have a “Communist Party” structure which is picking candidates and “controlling” elections?
Kenny’s fine, but you guys over in the Golden Headquarters had better stop serving Four Loko for happy hour as you are getting a little shrill and are close to passing out.
Brian once again is a real stitch. Here he levels criticism of Nye when a senior republican member of the House, Randy Forbes, bears as much if not more responsibility of any perceived snub of this area by the military. That is pure and unadulterated partisanship. Fact is, our representatives have actually worked quite well together and so has the Governor. The worst inference is that they appear to be embarrassed about crossing the aisle. The hyper partisanship that has characterized this election cycle will destroy this nation; but for a guy like Kirwin, that is, a campaign tactician, that is the best possible scenario. Somehow, that needs to be reversed.
Bryan Stuart
Regardless of the outcome in VA-2 the Republicans get the house, that’s clear.
You repeatedly mention Golden and the tax pledge. Knowing his position on the Fair tax I found that kind of odd. So I spent some time hunting around and found a video of Golden saying he won’t sign the pledge because he doesn’t need to sign a piece of paper to prove he’s not lying. That means his position is no tax raises. (It also means you’re being deceptive when you harp on the point.)
Since in the past Rigell has actively worked to raise my taxes I suppose getting his promise not to do it again in writing is a plus. But I have more trust in the judgment of the guy who didn’t try and raise my taxes in the first place. I also noticed that Rigell didn’t sign up for the whole tea party platform and I find that sort of worrying.
Brian,
I started this by asking who the more conservative candidate was.
I’ve been told a vote for Golden is a vote to do what Nancy Pelosi wants.
No, what I want is to vote for the most conservative candidate.
You haven’t made the case yet that that isn’t Ken Golden.
Ms. Hurd
You say the fight for the soul of the Republican party starts November 3rd.
You say 5% of your supporters disagree with your position.
But it appears at least 5% of the folks in this district disagree with your position.
Since 40% of the folks around here pull the lever for the Democrats every time, I’m guessing it’s a bit more than 5% of the Tea Party who won’t hold their nose and pull the lever for Rigell.
What mechanism will the Tea Party have between now and 2012 to change the Republican party if it obligingly votes in a guy who doesn’t even support your whole platform?
All,
This whole process has been a disaster for the right in VA-2.
The local party has driven away at least 10% of its’ base.
We’ll see what happens Tuesday.
However it turns out, some serious fence mending will need to happen fast and a fair primary process has to be conducted in 2012.
If this doesn’t get fixed we will get a real life “modern whig party” and it won’t be drawing equally from both sides.
Washington Examiner D2 prediction:
Rep. Glenn Nye, who has run, ducked and dodged the President for months will be sent packing. Republican Scott Rigell wins, but soon finds even his fellow Republicans find him too slick for his own good.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/blogs/local-opinion-zone/My-predictions-for-election-night-in-Virginia-106457503.html#ixzz143eomHpG
Wait a second; get your message in order. You can’t claim he has run, ducked, and dodged the President, while at the same time claiming he is a Pelosi clone. That just shows how you have embellished on both sides. It is like acknowledging that Nye is a conservative, independent, reason and fact oriented representative, just the kind of guy we need in this District. Thanks for pointing that out.
@Mike Barrett ~ I agree 100%. Found it interesting that Norman Leahy nailed candidate Rigell … and gives pretty clear hint as to Scott’s reputation w/in the DC Republican community.
Chris, I’ll have helped defeat a Democrat. You’ll have helped elect one.
That’s the difference.
Brian, you are one of the posterboy characters Rigell should thank for keeping me involved in this race. Your comments border on repulsive. I say that as a backhanded compliment because you do stimulate discussion. But, you also inspire independent conservatives who see the current rpvb regime and its handlers for what it has become.
I’m going to guess “if” Rigell wins, no carriers will move and JFCom will remain open. Want to bet? The first thing that will happen is Rigell will throw up his hands and say he has “No Clout” or blame somebody else….
LOL BTW: Go vote!
No matter who wins this election in the 2nd District, or the upcoming Presidential election, we must face the fact that any party in control will face massive cuts in defense to convert our conventional military forces, designed to fight nations, to a force better able to deal with asymmetrical warfare, terrorism, information warfare, and insurgency. The fact that expenditures for defense have essentially gotten out of control will face Congress and the President. More money does not equal national security; less money for the right assets does.
Turbo, you think me a posterboy? I could make one for you if you so desire. That way you can stimulate any discussion you’d like to have with yourself.
Brian, I wouldn’t be making posters for those who hate you… you don’t know where those posters might end up. Like… Satanic rituals where they would pray to your image and offer sacrifices, Communist and Socialist rallies or others would who would hang it in effigy outside their campaign headquarters.
That only happens if I wear a fedora
I guess those “push polls” were more scientific than the golden-nye ticket thought-huh?
…by the way, what’s it feel like when you suddenly realize that it’s you who has drunk the kool aid?
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