(Updated – 3:30 p.m.) Loyola receives Tea Party and Virginia Beach Taxpayer Alliance Endorsement
By JR Hoeft | Wednesday, May 26th, 2010 | PoliticsBen Loyola, candidate for the 2nd Congressional District Republican Nomination, has received the endorsement of the Hampton Roads Tea Party today and will receive the Virginia Beach Taxpayer Alliance soon (according to sources).
“After thoroughly and thoughtfully evaluating the GOP candidates vying for the Second District nod the Board has decided to make a clear declaration of its support for Mr. Loyola,” said HRTP Founder and Chairperson Karen Miner Hurd. “As the Board of Directors of the Hampton Roads Tea Party, we felt an obligation and a responsibility to take an informed stand in a very crowded candidate field. By endorsing Ben Loyola, we don’t presume to speak FOR our members, but rather TO our members….We feel very strongly that the ‘Republican political machine’ in Hampton Roads needs to be defeated.”
Loyola responded to the news by saying:
“The campaign begins today,” said Ben Loyola of the primary race that will culminate on June 8th. “The Tea Party has been the center of gravity in American politics, especially in primaries, and this endorsement means we have essentially a two-person race, and a choice between yesterday’s establishment candidates and candidates who will fight for real change in Washington.”
Loyola is currently trailing front-runner Scott Rigell by a large margin in a wide field of six candidates.
According to a poll released by the Rigell campaign yesterday, Loyola has a favorable rating of 21% and is polling at 6% of voters. Contrasted to Rigell who is at 47%.
Updates to follow as we learn why these two organizations provided the endorsements. The Loyola campaign has yet to comment.
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Conservative to the core; liberal with his opinion! J.R. has been involved in politics for over a decade and has worked on several campaigns in Hampton Roads. He has served on the Executive Committee of the Republican Party of Chesapeake and the Central Committee of the Republican Party of Virginia. He is also the director of “Blogs United” in Virginia. E-mail J.R.. Follow J.R. on Twitter.
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112 Responses to "(Updated – 3:30 p.m.) Loyola receives Tea Party and Virginia Beach Taxpayer Alliance Endorsement"
Is there something ideologically inconsistent? Loyola at the VBTA debate admitted his company has lobbied for federal earmarks for his business?
Is that “fiscal conservatism”?
Why Loyola and not Maulbeck, Sandlin, Taylor, Mizusawa? OK, Rigell is somehow “establishment” because he has the endorsement of Bob McDonnell, but what have the other 4 candidates done not to deserve their endorsement?
Furthermore, I read the Rigell poll #s, and it says he has the backing of 52% of Tea Party supporters! Is the leadership of the Tea Party in line with their membership?
This was a mistake, and that isn’t even getting into the plagiarism scandal Loyola got into earlier this year. The man would have been kicked out of the Naval Academy if he was still a student, but that is acceptable to the Tea Party?
Bryan, awwww… we feel your “Rigell Indignation” and suggest that you write a scathing letter on behalf of those candidates left behind to the Tea Party and VBTA to let them know your thoughts. And then they can ignore you.
Or you can post that same sentiment on here and we can ignore you.
Ben’s right about one thing: it’s a two person race. Problem is he’s not one of the two.
There’s plenty of tea partiers who will take exception to this endorsement from non-elected individuals they had no part in picking. The Tea Party eschews structure; being told who the ‘board’ endorses matters little, far less then the dozens of legitimate endorsements in this race.
Like I said, collective yawn. Wake me up on Jue 9th.
DJ, you need the sleep after seeing your early morning comments around 3:00 AM.
What JR didn’t mention in this post from the news conference this morning was that Doug Hutchison dropped out of the 2nd District race and has endorsed Ben Loyola along with the Libertarian party.
Go back to sleep.
So, according to the poll, Loyola is polling a whopping 6% and he claims this is a two man race?
Let’s assume this causes his #s to double; so he’s a 12%.
That’s not enough to win.
And why the Tea Party would endorse someone who admits that he lobby’s for taxpayer federal earmarks for his business makes little to zero sense.
On the radio show this morning, Karen Hurd said that this poll released by Rigell was taken in early May, even before her personal endorsement, and a lot of things have happened since then. She also mentioned that she doesn’t think that the poll reflects the reality on the ground at this point in the Primary.
Tim J, The poll results say that the poll was taken Mary 17-18. Not sure how that could be early May. I believe Karen Hurd issued her endorsement around May 12 or so.
Again, that’s what Karen Hurd mentioned this morning, maybe it was the same poll, maybe not, but that is what was said.
Who the hell is Karen Hurd and in what realm of reality does she think she exercises mass influence to make this statement “Rigell’s poll was taken in early May, even before MY endorsement and a lot of things have happened since then”.
Wow, what an incredibly narcisstic thing to say by someone who I am sure is not known by 99.99% of district voters.
I am still getting over this statement, “We feel very strongly that the ‘Republican political machine’ in Hampton Roads needs to be defeated”.
WOW
I am a staunch Republican and a former leader in the party (taking a brief break now), my singular focus is defeating Democrats. If groups like the Tea Party and VBTA cannot get behind this focus, then get the hell out of the way.
Whomever gets the nomination on the 8th, will get my time, talent and treasure to ensure Nye’s defeat, its as simple as that.
LC, I think she endorsed may 19.. not sure.. Karen reads BD and may clarify.
JM Ripley, you and a lot of voters are about to get to know Karen Hurd quite well. This is what the GOP should have anticipated for propping up an establishment favorite and this is the result. I disagree with your calling Karen narcicstic.. go take that message to the throngs of tea party supporters who SURPRISE! are a bunch of disaffected conservatives who disagree with donations to the worst president in our history along with tax and spend big government RINO’S!
I agree with Ripley; when I saw her quote on fighting the “Republican establishment” it took me aback. Isn’t this a “REPUBLICAN” primary, not a Tea Party Primary?
I’m sure this plays well with all the members of the Hampton Roads Young Republicans, the Nimmo Republican Women’s Club, the Princess Anne Republican Women’s Club, the Virginia Republican Women’s Club, the Norfolk Republican Women’s Club, the Norfolk Republican Committee, the Virginia Beach Republican Committee, the Hampton Republican Committee, Norfolk Young Republicans, the Northampton Republican Committee and the Accomack Republican Committee.
Great way to insult the boards and leadership of those groups, some of whom are supporting Rigell, but many of whom are supporting Taylor, Maulbeck, Mizusawa, or Sandlin.
Deriding them is not a way to help your candidate.
This is Karens message on FB http://www.facebook.com/?tid=1470534570344&sk=messages
And yes Bryan, this is a republican primary.. Let the poeple decide and let the establishment stand behind the candidatge THEY pick.. That aint happening so the Tea party is doing their job. I remain in support of Kenny Golden because I think he is the best qualified but for the R primary, voters have been skewered as I see it but then again I am an RR (Radical Republican).
And for what its worth, I have met several of the women fromt he clubs you mentioned who privately applaude Karens and her group.
3 funny things to point out in Loyola’s statement:
1. “The campaign begins today.” Um, this may be one of the dumbest things yet…aside from plagiarizing. Your campaign filed its statement of organization on 07/13/2009. I’m pretty sure your campaign began then and not today!
2. “we have essentially a two-person race…” – I am literally laughing at this one and won’t even commit more time to commenting on it.
3. “a choice between yesterday’s establishment candidates…” For all intents and purposes, I assume he’s throwing this bard directly at Rigell. Wow, I bet this is going to go over real well with the GOP leadership in VA all who are quite respected (ie. McDonnell and Cantor). Why burn you brides? Any really, do you really want to piss off the #2 GOP leader in the House, a body from where you desire to serve?
Tea Party Board: We support Ben Loyola for Congress. We have a problem with cash for clunkers, but not for Loyola’s company to get hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayer federal ear marks.
We claim we want people of high integrity in office, but have no problem with candidates that plagiarize other people’s work.
The idea that the Republican machine in Hampton Roads needs to be defeated is quite possibly the most laughable statement I’ve heard this cycle. The same Hampton Roads GOP that gave us Bob McDonnell, Thelma Drake, Randy Forbes, Rob Whitman (that’s a stretch, but still) needs to be defeated? We’ve been around for decades. Where have you been for the last thirty years? And where will you be in 8 years? Get over yourselves. Idiots. Statements like that are why this endorsement means nothing to 95% of the voting populace.
Turbo,
The Tea Party’s job is to hold our leaders accountable. It is certainly not to endorse candidates or announce who is conservative and who isn’t. The idea that you consider this the Tea Party doing their job is fundamentally ludicrous. You decry endorsements as preventing ‘the people’ from picking a nominee, but if the Tea Party endorses it’s their job? Come on.
And let’s not remove the franchise from the 200,000 (ish) expected to vote on June 8th. They have a say, and it’s up to them how much endorsements, money, donations, etc matter. Unless this is all a fleece and a scam and no other candidate has had the chance to run ads, raise money, send out direct mail, meet voters, knock on doors. Pretty sure they all got the chance. Some just took more advantage of that than others.
Tim J,
Hutchinson dropping out means Loyola goes from 6% to 6.1%. I am not impressed.
David A. – “Why burn you brides?”… so now the Rigell campaign is accusing Loyola of female human sacrifice?
And poor Bryan, please tell us the Program Element number for a single penny Loyola ever got from earmarks he submitted to Thelma Drake for development of modeling and simulation training technology to reduce warfighter battlefield causalities? There isn’t any evidence that a request even made the cut for submission by Thelma’s staff. Nada, zip, nothing.
So, DJ… you are speaking at the Tea Party from high atop your perch in the Rigell tower, which gets even better now that you, as the voice of the Rigell “establishment” camp, are telling the Tea Party executive board what their job is: “The Tea Party’s job is to hold our leaders accountable. It is certainly not to endorse candidates or announce who is conservative and who isn’t. The idea that you consider this the Tea Party doing their job is fundamentally ludicrous.”
Get a Clue: that’s exactly what they are doing and why they had to endorse Loyola.
Karen was right… you “establishment” types are predictable and are acting out by throwing things at the others since you didn’t make the cut.
It sounds like you got a little sour milk in your bottle and Rigell had better burp you and put you back to bed.
Tim J, by golly I think I’ve found it. Your candidate’s Loyola!
I have a question for everyone. What happens after the primary? I know there has been a lot of muddied water but does everyone just kiss and make up or do the antics stay in people’s minds forever?
How is that what they’re doing? I haven’t heard a peep from them recently about Glenn Nye voting to continually increase spending, or his vote for the stimulus. That would be our elected ‘leader’.
And I’ve said from my very first Tea Party post that the idea that they’re the saviors of conservatism, as some groups treat themselves, is ridiculous and a notion that has been rejected across the nation (look at every primary thus far in the 2010 cycle). I’m a conservative elected leader in the party. I didn’t appoint them as guardians or saviors. Nor did anyone else. If they want to hold leaders accountable then so be it, but like Ripley said, I work to defeat Democrats, get on board or get out of the way. This isn’t NY23, none of our candidates are pro-choice pro-labor anti-gun pro-gay rights.
So at the end of the day, the Tea Party in order to be ‘anti-establishment’ has to act like the ‘establishment’ and endorse a candidate? That’s called hypocrisy, and there’s a reason I pointed out many Tea Party individuals in the 2nd will not be happy about this establishment stance. They don’t want someone speaking for them.
And Tim, you’ve got me all wrong, I’m pro-Rigell and pro-Mizusawa, give me either of those and at the end of day I’m happy. I’ll happily defend either of them, and be their ‘voice’ if need be (not that I’m taking sides, I’m just a realist…any of the candidates would be fine)
Tim J:
So, he pays over $100,000 to Rob Catron’s lobbying firm to get some of our taxpayer’s money in earmarks?
He claims he never got stimulus money, but then he did?
He plagiarized someone’s reforms that would have gotten him kicked out of the Naval Academy?
Yes indeed, he passes the ideological purity test.
I’m just glad Tim J has FINALLY announced his true colors and told us who he is supporting. Thank You.
Really, The time will come to drop our differences and defeat Obama’s soapy boy Nye.. this day is coming.. no, not June 8th.. November.. Remember November. And just think of all the debates your fearless leader will have to postpone, cancel and simply decline participation.
Folks, we have an opportunity to hold our own debate without the candidates. JR, do you think you could set up a BD meet and greet followed by a debate among the members? A Civil debate of course.
I don’t really think this IS a two-candidate race, but if it were, Ben Loyola would be the closest to giving Rigell a run for his money. Mizusawa is still a relative unknown in the district, despite his amazing resume. And I don’t think that those in-the-know like the fact that he really isn’t from here. This endorsement, no matter what opinion you may have of whether it’s right or not, will sway some.
We have to keep in mind that a very small percentage of voters (even Tea Partiers, I’d wager) are truly informed about the candidates as we blogger politico geeks are (or think we are). Most of the time, people are looking for someone to tell them who to vote for. These are the same folks who likely get most of their info from watching the news or reading the Pilot, which is telling them that the mood of the country is anti-establishment. So yeah, he may get a significant bump from the endorsements. Not that it’ll be enough to win, but I think it’ll be enough to get folks’ attention.
FWIW, the tea party did not interview me or talk with me. Ergo, I must take the endorsement with a grain of salt.
Bottom line is this- it’s time for “NOT politics as usual,” and the fact that there IS a tea party in America today illustrates this. If you’ve heard Karen speak, she does an outstanding job and IS a leader, recognized or not. In this primary, we have a highly qualified (probably way too qualified) conservative candidate who is willing to put time, talent, and treasure into our district: Bert MizUSAwa. (I’m reminded of that SNL skit- cue REALLY???! Google it…)
@Georgie is right, some will be swayed by Bert’s wife owning a house in NoVa, but to me that says his attention won’t be divided- he’ll be working hard for the district every moment he can, and I’m sure he’ll be here during recesses. This sounds like a huge win-win to me.
Perhaps NOT politics as usual is to pick a person who GREW UP in the district but happens to reside where his job will be, and trust that his ability to speak for our district will be sound. (Again, I’m hearing REALLY???!)
On June 8, if you are a (bad word?) moderate type, vote for me, Jessica Sandlin! BUT- if you are a more conservative type, the field has narrowed- I urge you to vote for Bert.
GG, respectfully disagree, Mizusawa has had the most success this year raising money, and that money has been spent focusing on direct mail voter contact. It speaks to their effectiveness using that format that with without TV/radio and fewer 4x8s in high profile areas of VB, they’re in second place. But following with your line of logic, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Pilot endorse Mizusawa. Rigell is almost certainly out of the question, as are Loyola and Taylor due to their previous shenanigans reported by the Pilot.
Jessica, you’re awesome, but we talked about this
haha see you soon I hope!
I can understand the whys that resulted in Loyola’s Tea Party endorsement. The historic stands that Rigell has taken on fiscal issues reveal his progressive tenants. Loyola espouses a return to the founding-fathers vision from which progressives (aka the current Republican establishment) have long deviated.
According to Reid on PilotOnline there is zero chance of a VBTA endorsement for any candidate, and that Robert Dean did it solo. Wally, are you on board for Loyola (individually)
Pretty sure Rigell stood by Bob McDonnell when he refused to raise taxes to solve a $4.1 billion deficit. That would be revealing his conservative tenants.
I’ve got to say that the astounding arrogance, condescension and puffed-up know-it-all attitude of D.J Spiker is quite something to see. The reckless disresepct with which Mr. Spiker hurls personal insults and calls names is highly amusing. As one of the Tea Party “idiots” whom Mr. Spiker so glibly condemns, I’ll be interested to see whether his pompous pronouncements come to pass. Interesting also to observe that Mr. Spiker, by his suggestive posting, seems rather taken with Ms. Sandlin.
– Norvell Rose, HRTP Board
Norvell,
If your endorsed candidate wins the primary, I will buy dinner for you, Karen Hurd and Robert Dean. Hell, I might even let you change my mind on light rail. I am 100% serious (no sarcasm) If Mizusawa or Rigell win, will any of you be doing the same I wonder?
I am a know-it-all though
On a more serious note, any individual(s) who proclaim the Republican party in Hampton Roads needs to be destroyed, yes, I do consider them an idiot. If you feel that way, then it’s a shame you don’t stand with Bob McDonnell, Congressman Forbes and dozens of other elected leaders.
Maybe you can get Bobby Mathieson and John Bell to run for something again.
Mr. Spiker, if you wish to weigh in on the debate, with any credibility, please be accurate in your representations. The Board of the Hampton Roads Tea Party never said “the Republican party in Hampton Roads needs to be destroyed”, as you claim. Never, sir. Get your facts straight. Board Chair Karen Hurd stated, “the ‘Republican political machine’ in Hampton Roads needs to be defeated.” The difference is significant. I will gladly debate the issues and the candidates, but I truly cannot abide by reckless disregard for the factual basis of any such debate.
– Norvell Rose, HRTP Board
I’ve been weighing into the debate longer then the Board that you’re a proud member of has been in existence. If you wish to weigh in on any debate with any credibility, your group has a ways to go. When you start making waves for Glenn Nye perhaps.
I apologize, substitute ‘party’ for ‘machine’ and keep my phrasing/previous statement intact.
And you’re in the wrong place for factual basis of debates, but I guess a group endorsing a candidate who’s proposing an additional economic stimulus of $10 billion in spending on two aircraft carriers and invites Daun Hester to speak at their events doesn’t worry about facts too often; they get in the way of agendas.
My dinner offer stands, however.
I hate to agree with DJ, but he is 100% right on this one.
You guys thought Daun Hester was a conservative and let her speak. This immediately destroys your entire credibility and shows you definitely don’t have a clue about local politics. I live in Norfolk, Daun Hester tried to delete the recall provisions in the city charter and double the number of signatures needed for a referendum. Either learn your facts or stay the heck away from politics in my area.
2nd, you guys think Ben Loyola is credible? This is the guy who got caught plagiarizing. The guy who thinks we need to build two more aircraft carriers as an economic stimulus and thinks that will solve the problem of moving a carrier to Mayport? The guy who lies about his Navy record?
Do the simple math; Born 1961, went to college around 1979, graduated probably in 83 or 84. 26 years later is 2010. How do you get 30 year Navy veteran out of that? He is counting his Academy time which is a big no-no. Does that count towards retirement? No way. Does it count towards payscale? No way. All the vets I have talked to think he is a complete joke for counting his academy time and using that picture of him in his uniform on his 4×8.
Next point, the HRTP “leadership” should not be making endorsements. You don’t speak for the Tea Party, you are not the Tea Party. All you guys do is sign the paperwork for your event permits and help spread the word. The only difference between you and the average member is that you sign on the dotted line to get the permit.
Anytime a movement gets leadership it immediately becomes compromised.
Tom Ayers endorsed Daun Hester? Why? Was he paid money? Clearly he is too ignorant and stupid to realize she is diametrically opposed to the Tea Party ideals. So why did he do? Personal gain and recognition. It makes you guys feel special to give out endorsements like you are some kind of establishment organization.
Point 3. Destroy the political machine? You guys truly are complete fools. You think a political machine is bad, which proves you are fools.
A political machine disseminates information and turns out the vote. You all want to build a tea party political machine, you have said it many times so you cannot deny that.
Destroying the political machine of the GOP would mean destroying everyone in every precinct that volunteers for candidates they believe in. It is a truly horrible thing to say.
You guys really want to get rid of the people who dedicate countless hours of their time to help their country? Give me a break and grow a frickin brain.
You can claim ignorance of what a political machine is, but that only furthers my point that you guys are fools and way out of your league.
It is painful to say this now that I know Tim J is in it for Loyola (it’s so painful I’m trying to choke down the sour milk that is Tim J), but at least Loyola’s campaign was honest when approached by JR in the Dupligate scandal. His campaign flat out said they didn’t have anything, and it all came from Taylor. Now, if there was some scheming behind the scenes and Taylor said he had something of Rigell’s, then I would fault Loyola as well.
Norvell Rose, I rather enjoy DJ. And who can blame him for being sweet on Jessica? I think we all are!
As I find no value in engaging in pointless name-calling and petty insults, I will now leave this site to you who seem to find pleasure in such unproductive activity. Your ill-informed presumptions, baseless accusations and insulting inferences do neither yourselves nor your positions any good whatsoever. Sad, gentlemen, truly sad.
- Norvell Rose, HRTP Board
Sad? Name calling?
Stupid means knowing the right thing and doing the wrong thing anyway. I used the word properly, hence not name calling.
Ignorant means not knowing something. You didn’t know Daun Hester did those things, you didn’t know anything about her record. Hence you were ignorant. Again used correctly.
A fool is someone who is naive and presumes to know more than he really does. I have clearly proved my point on those matters as well.
Even if you were to consider that calling names, it only encompassed a fraction of the points I have made.
You fail to address the plagiarism, the lying about the record, the carrier issue, etc..
Simply hiding behind, “oh he called me names, I’m not going to respond” is laughable to me. My accusations contained more logic, reason, and facts, then anything I have heard you, Karen Hurd, or the rest of the Tea Party leadership say. Talking points and anti-government, anti-tax rhetoric do not count. It doesn’t take a real big brain to realize those things are not good.
I’m sorry you all just woke up one day and decided to get pissed off and energized, but some of us here have been at this since before you all were even aware of the extent of the problems. Where were you a decade ago? 5 years ago? You weren’t busting butt to get good people elected like a lot of the people in the so called political machine you want to destroy.
Storming in here and insulting the judgment of those who have been fighting the good fight,since before you knew what the good fight was, is not in your best interest. Neither is refusing to engage someone who has put forth cogent, logical, and factual arguments as to why you are full of it.
Either engage me in discussion by refuting my arguments or acknowledge your own lack of a spine.
Really??-you are so wrong about Taylor, it’s so funny how you keep bringing that up in every post. Anyway-I think it was in poor taste for the Tea Party to endorse. Just like with the Govenor, they should have stayed out of it until after primary. It just tears up the party more.
Bryan, gee… I’m glad you and Really??? have figured out that I’m still for not Rigell. Rigell is one hell of a business man and knows on which side to butter the bread, but as a candidate, he got caught with his pants down, so to speak. On the results scale, Loyola isn’t even on the scale with Rigell who went directly to Obama the candidate with his $1,000 and eventually got back $444,500 in Stimulus money. Rigell knows who to grease with money, but then Rigell the candidate tried to explain kind of, but maybe, but perhaps, but sort of but ended up using Hillary as a “human shield”. But as DJ said, Rigell is so far ahead in the polls, he doesn’t need to explain anything to anybody for any reason because he paid for it, and it’s his.
Chris, obviously you are another Rigell hack who has to tell the Tea Party how to run their business because your feelings are hurt. The Loyola endorsement has gone viral nationwide and there are lots and lots of you R-bots who are gnashing their teeth and wringing their hands because their “anointed” one didn’t make the cut. So the emotional outbursts, whining, sniveling and snide remarks show the true breadth and depth of the Rigell disciples as you all do what you do so well… pee in the “frickin” kidde pool to get even with people who have different ideas.
Norvell, please don’t go… we’re just getting started.
What the Tea Party understands is that Conservatives have been betrayed by their own. They are being ostracized after being ignored by the republicans.. This is more of the same folks. What is a republican I ask all of you and what does the party stand for?
Telling frustrated conservative minded members of the Tea movement to take it somewhere else, whose agenda does that serve?
Wake up people. Where else do these people have to go? Our party is less relevant when impotent self righteous and profane whiners make blistering attacks on others who like it or not share more common ground right of center than left.. If we fail to respectfully conduct ourselves and hold fast to principles, we risk losing the ability to coalesce this fall and motivate the turnout for right of center voters.
Anyone calling themself a republican with the gall to throw HRTP under the bus loses credibility so in a nutshell, Knock it off.
Jessica you have surprised me & that’s quite a lot.
I am sure D.J. is happy and Brian is not.
Mr. Norville:
I would appreciate an honest response on the following:
1) Ben Loyola is on record lobbying for hundreds of thousands of dollars in federal earmarks for his business, Loyola Enterprises. Are federal earmarks consistent with the Tea Party?
2) Loyola opposed the “stimulus” bill, but its public information that Loyola Enterprises received stimulus money. Is the stimulus bill consistent with the Tea Party?
3) Loyola was accused of plagiarism, and at the VBGOP Breakfast was unable to answer a simple yes or no question on whether he indeed did so. Is plagiarism consistent with the Tea Party’s values?
These are all questions that the BOARD of the Tea Party must answer for its membership and its body. They have decided to pick 1 candidate out of 6 to support, and I would like an honest answer.
Thank you, I wait your reply, no name calling, just facts.
Bryan, in the interest of helping the Tea Party, I have done my own “honest” research into your continuing accusations since the last 12 times you have made them (you plagiarize yourself a lot across comments) and have found:
1. What “records” do you have that proves, “Ben Loyola is on record lobbying for hundreds of thousands of dollars in federal earmarks for his business, Loyola Enterprises”? There are lobbyist reports by Rob Catron at Alacade and Faye that are publically available, and I have gone through all of them since the last time you spewed this nonsense, which you then “e-mailed” JR with the damning evidence. You are either whacked, need a remedial math class, a Chinese calculator, or a Ouija Board to communicate with the spirits to come up with those anything resembling what you claim. Again, give us the PE numbers under which Loyola received any money, what agency they were assigned to the program manager, and how much he got, period, from his “lobbying” investment. Let’s put it another way… let’s say you divide $0 return by $10,000,000… or $0 return by $500,000, or $0 return by $200,000, or $0 return by $50,000… or $0 return by $10…. the answers are all the same… $0.
2. Loyola received an $862 “project” from the Interior Department to build an Americans with Disabilities Act compliant sidewalk for wheel chairs. Based on the documents reviewed by Channel 13, there was nothing on the contract that showed “stimulus” until it showed up on the “Stimulus” web site as an Interior Department expenditure of “Stimulus” money. Now, if you use your “Chinese” calculator and divide $862/$444,500 and multiply by 100 you get Loyola’s percentage of Rigells Cash for Clunkers windfall as .193%. And as the news reports showed, Rigell wasn’t forced, but chose to participate in the C4C “program”, but sent out Jason “baby face” Miyares to explain. Also, Loyola mentioned that he would strike a check today to give it back or buy a wheelchair for a physically challenged person if Rigell would do the same with his $444,500 C4C money. Rigell is in hiding, and Jason isn’t talking anymore.
3. Both Taylor and Loyola were accused of plagiarism, but it is apparent that Taylor “snuck” into Rigell’s offices in the dead of night and “stole” the documents… or they were sent by someone close to the Attorney General to someone in another campaign which sent them to Taylor…. or they were sent by someone to someone and then to someone else for some reason that only Kenny can explain. Or they were stolen from Taylor and Loyola who were plagiarizing them from Newt’s Contract with America, Sean Hannity’s Conservative Victory campaign, the 9/12 project, the Constitution, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ronald Reagan, the Bible or the Koran. The bottom line, Taylor and Loyola published the points, and if they are Rigell’s why hasn’t he sent out a news release establishing these as “his principles” or why hasn’t he published them on his web site?
Since the Rigell campaign got scooped, and after all the whining, crying, screaming, finger pointing, finger wagging and forensic detective work, he never talks about… wait a minute… we haven’t even seen Scott since the “meltdown”, so we don’t know what he believes anymore. Anyway, since a “cone of silence” blankets the Rigell campaign, there isn’t any sense of whether he has abandoned these principles in favor of his own interests and not the voters, which apparently didn’t go over well with the Tea Party.
On a side note, we noticed that Jason “baby face” Miyares was out again today commenting on the Tea Party endorsement. Scott is apparently in deep hiding and they let him out every once in a while until he is sighted, and then he is gone.
Let me get the straight- the Tea Party, especially the HRTP, is to go along with the GOP status quo, play nice, and for God’s sake, do not question, nor doubt and certainly never challenge in a meaningful way, the all knowing powers that be. Unless of course, they’re a Democrat – then bash away!!
For that kind of action go to Sean Hannity, not the Tea Party.
Tim J: The Sound of a Desperate, Desperate Man
Norvell,
So is that a no to dinner?
Tim,
I’m pretty sure Meerpool is a Golden supporter, but I could be wrong or that may have changed.
Bryan, you are plagiarizing yourself again… only it was “angry” the last time. Do you have a little voice in your head that keeps on repeating the same things? Really??? is taking some special pills for a similar problem… may he’ll share.
DJ, glad to know that Chris is somewhere, or somewhen.
DJ et al, I wish Meerpol or Meercat or whatever was on my team. Other than the name calling he (or she)is intense. On the other hand Turbo and I are too old for this. I had to take a nap and get up to catch up on all the fray.
On Jessica, she is the most beautiful Candidate in America, are you folks just waking up to that? Good on you Jessica, Kinky thought you were hot!
Just so you all know, I qualified last Sunday with enough signatures and we filed yesterday with around 1,220 good names. Got 200 more tonight. Next happy hour in the new HQ at 4314 Holland Rd. next to “Animal Jungle”. Very appropriate for “Golden’s Gorrilla’s” or is it Guerilla’s? I forget. Meercat, come on by and join the team at 5pm. All the best. r Kenny
“we don’t presume to speak FOR our members, but rather TO our members….We feel very strongly that the ‘Republican political machine’ in Hampton Roads needs to be defeated.” – Karen Miner Hurd
There is some thought out there that certain districts are being run by insiders protecting their personal interests rather than serving the party members. The subject has been brought up in the past to former VB Chair Kenny Golden. Kenny dumped on the VBTA & others for not towing the line for a few RINOs. Kenny Golden was preaching the party line to the hilt. Now it looks like it isn’t just the Tea Party, the VBTA, former Republicans,and Libertarians that see a problem with SOME of the establishment old guard, and not-so-fiscally conservative party machine. Just look at the “Republicans” on VB council. With the exception of Bill DeSteph, fiscal conservatives, they are not. Finally, Kenny Golden sees things as they are. Welcome to reality Kenny. It is a little different when top down annointing affects you personally, I guess.
So, when some people talk about “defeating”, it has more to do about stopping the annointing process that almost gave us Dede Scozzafava among others. It is a call for better representation. The “machine” gave us elected Republicans that endorsed or contributed to Democrat Mark Warner, Democrat Jody Wagner, and even that wonderful socialist, President Obama. For all the finger pointing at Norfolk’s financial problems, the “Machine” is partly responsible for the problems in VB.
So, this call for defeating the ‘Republican political machine’ isn’t about killing the patient. It is about cutting out the freakin’ cancer.
While I’m not completely sold on Loyola, he has made overtures to the groups endorsing him. I do take endorsemnts by the HR Tea Party and Karen seriously.
Initially my preference was was Bert Mizusawa, but if he’s not a 2nd district resident, that’s a problem for me. Is he? Do we know for sure yet?
As for Daun Hester, I am NO FAN. That said, she had the best chance of defeating Paul Fraim. There is plenty wrong with Norfolk and unfortunately, Fraim was recently rewarded for it. However, despite that legitimate logic, let’s face facts. A lot of people just won’t settle for the lesser of two evils anymore. They shouldn’t and it was indeed contrary for the HRTP to indulge Hester as much as they did. “The lesser of two evils” in fact, has been a tool and a method to apologize for GOP candidates that are barely, if at all conservative. At least HRTP did not endorse Hester even if it might indicate there was a preference of Hester over Fraim.
I’m just guessing and really can only speak for myself, but Bert might be acceptable to many if he is a 2nd district resident.
HRTP didn’t endorse Hester? They might as well have.
Point number 4. Tom Ayers sent out his endorsement from the HRTP Facebook page. Unless you read the entire endorsement to the bottom, you would think it was the HRTP endorsing her. Anyone who has worked with any sort of campaign knows actions like that do irreparable damage to your credibility.
And before you go off thinking she had the best chance, go learn your facts. Daniel Montegue got 37% against Fraim and spent something like $400 last election cycle. He is a strident critic of city council policies and would have been a incredibly better speaker than Daun Hester.
The Tea Party leadership is uninformed and does not know the facts at all. This has been proved time and time again, not just by my words, but by their actions.
Please, do not construe this as an attack on the Tea Party in the same way your attack on the political machine is wished to be seen as an attack on the top of the Republican Party. I think the average Tea Party member is just great, just like the average Republican is. The issue is with the leadership. The HRTP leadership has proven themselves unable to learn the facts and stick to them when it comes to politics in this area.
You all need to stick to organizing events and signing paperwork and stay out of the endorsement business unless you are going to learn the facts and actually engage others when they bring them up. Your failure to engage mine and others arguments on Loyola shows that you are no better than the GOP establishment who has endorsed Rigell in spite of his highly questionable donation record.
Kenny, I’ll try and make it, thanks for the invitation. Meercat, lol.
Ashley, I would find you more credible if you had a history of doing research. But I refuse to believe anyone who just recites what they hear without checking the facts. “You are wrong,” is useless to me, why exactly am I wrong? Unlike you I don’t feed into the empty words of others. Perhaps you too have a certificate that isn’t worth the $1 paper it’s printed on. Maybe in cosmetology or something else that is worthless where they never taught you how to verify information.
Tim J, I do have extras, and sharing is caring. The nurse also agreed to talk to anyone else who is hearing your voice in their head.
LC, do you know if the campaign managers were fired over that? David Ray and Scott Weldon? Are you sure Kirwin was involved in the revision? I find that hard to believe. He would know better and would at least know to change it up more. Unless he intentionally wanted Rigell to know, which is completely plausible for him.
Tea Party, Ms. Karen, Mr. Novell (assuming you are still reading these), I would have expected you would have endorsed Golden. After the primary, if Loyola wins (I know, I know. This is just a hypothetical but I would like an invite to breakfast from DJ if he does), will you then change your endorsement or will you stick with Loyola to the end? I only ask this because in my view the only candidate that looks like they are attempting to defeat the ‘Republican party-machine’ is Golden, not Loyola. Second for the Tea Party, this is just a general question I’ve wanted answered. As a group, do you feel you are more Republicans, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists?
I can tell from the tone of these posts that Hampton Roads Tea Party does and will have influence on the June 8 primary.
I am a retired veteran with 22 years service and have been a corporate executive for 30 years. I’ve followed local and national politics for all of my adult life. I’m an independent having voted for both parties. I vote for the candidate I fell is best qualified. I conduct extensive research on the candidates in question and form my opinion. I deal exclusively in facts, not personalities, political claims, or campain promises. I’m also not impressed with military service as a prerequisite to being a good congressman, governor, or president. I’m concerned about my countries financial situation, security, jobs, enforcement of the law, and the countries overall well being. I look at and evaluate the candidates based on my personal concerns for the country. I am not influenced by political parties, but by the success of the candidates in their businesses and in their personal lifes. I have spent over 120 days listening too and talking to the candidates. I’ve evaluated all aspects of their candidacy including their answers to my questions and reduced the choices to two candidates Loyola and Rigell. I then evaluated the two individually using my own personal guidelines on which one would I feel most comfortable with respresenting me in congress. It was a difficult decision, but then it occurred to me that I had voted for the current governor and have tremendous respect for him. Who does he support? I decided the governor is a winner and the person he supports would obviously be a winner as well. You mite not like my methodology, but it worked for me. Thanks for letting me comment.
Really?? Actually I did verify the information so take your own advice, no I don’t have a certificate in Gov’t contracting, I have a Bachelor’s Degree. Believe me, I don’t believe everything I hear. You are so disrespectful, you insult the Certificate programs at ODU and now people in the cosmotology field. I sure hope the person that does your hair doesn’t read that.
Let’s see… maybe this is another reason the Tea Party selected Loyola? Again, Rigell was MIA and Bert took a half swing at this… http://www.newrepublicpatriots.com/candidate_answers.html
Turbo,
Narcissist – extreme self-absorption, an exaggerated sense of self-importance, and a need for attention and admiration from others.
I would categorize someone who makes the statement and infers that had her endorsement of Loyola been released prior to the poll being conducted (5/17-18) giving Rigell a 37 point lead, the results would have been different a narcissist. Yep, a narcissist.
The question that needs to be asked is if Rigell wins the primary and is the GOP nominee, will the HRTP work to get him elected over Glenn Nye?
Some other interesting coinicidences.. the Rigell camp sat on the poll results until releasing them the day before the Tea Party endorsement…. damage control?
Also, interesting that Rigell is the first and ONLY candidate McDonnell has ever endorsed in a primary… “establishment” quid pro quo? Is it that we elected “Bob” as one of “us” and he’s slowly becoming one of “them”?
Bert lives in Hampton, in the district.
You want facts Chris Meeropol? As to whether Daun Hester had the best chance to beat Fraim? (again, I’m not comfortable with the lesser of 2 evils either, that brought us Will Sessoms)
Here are your FACTS:
Quote from the Va Pilot on Norfolk Council results:
“Councilwoman Daun S. Hester, attempting to become the city’s first black and female mayor, garnered 30 percent of the vote. Civic league leader Dan Montague and Old Dominion University student Ryan Cooper each finished with about 3 percent.”
Quote taken from here:
http://hamptonroads.com/2010/05/fraim-holds-hester-fifth-term-norfolk-mayor
So the guy you allege had the best chance got 3% and pretty much tied with the ODU student?
Chris, I’m not sure you should be lecturing the Tea Party local leadership about “facts” or what they should or should not be doing.
You speak of people not engaging your points. Since you are the champion of the Republican leadership, how about addressing mine that point to damage they are responsible for? After that, use those points and convince Kenny Golden that there is not “top down annointing”. Persuade Kenny Golden to return to the fold and that things really are even handed, representative, fair, and abide by the Republican Party creed.
Btw, again, I’m not a Loyola guy yet, but I do hold the Tea Party endorsement as a strong plus. I like Bert a lot and Golden might even be interesting now that he’s seen the light.
Not all Local Tea Party groups agree:
This is from Facebook:
Marshall Smith May 27 at 1:44pm Reply
There has been much talk recently about a Tea Party/Patriot Candidate in Va.District 2. Ben Loyola has been endorsed by the local Tea party BOD. However this does not speak to the local Patriots and who they prefer to run against Nye. There is another Tea Party/Patriot Candidate,his name is Scott Taylor. Why? At the recent Tax Day Tea Party in Norfolk,of all the candidates Scott Taylor drew the loudest response from the audience. Unscientific ? Yes,read on. Scott Taylor has attended every Tea Party/Patriot event,Scott was instrumental in bringing Patriots together to Rally in the Support Our Seals operation, in which the final outcome was exoneration for all three Navy Seals. Scott was spotted numerous times in DC,during the House Call on DC Rally against Healthcare take over and other rallies. Attending all of these Rallies and Protests shoulder to shoulder with fellow Patriots says a lot about whether Scott Taylor is a Tea Party/Patriot Candidate. In my opinion Scott is the strongest Tea Party/Patriot Candidate in the field,he follows the Patriot Principles to the letter. He is also,in my opinion, the hardest working Candidate of all of the candidates,although they all have worked very hard. NRP will not officially endorse any of the candidates as we feel this would be unfair to our Patriot members, as the choices from Patriot to Patriot vary widely. NRP will make an endorsement in the final election. The Core Team at NRP does, however, believe Scott Taylor to be the Strongest Principled Patriot Candidate in VA-02. We also believe none of the Candidates portray any RINO leanings. Please read the eight Patriot Poll questions and the answer’s from the Candidates @ newrepublicpatriots.com. NRP hopes the answers to these important questions will help you make an informed choice at the Polls. Lastly, New Republic Patriots refuses to engage in mud slinging and disparaging statements about ANY of the the Candidates. Good luck and God bless you all.
As a veteran myself, I participated with Taylor at the first rally in Norfolk for our three Navy SEALS. Taylor was a staunch advocate for our SEALS and spoke on FOX News several times on their behalf. None of the other candidates fought so hard for our SEALS
The VBTA endorsement was denied by Robert Dean in a response to Bert Mizusawa. Mizusawa brought up the allegation in his TLP survey response.
“The Tidewater Libertarian Party (TLP) has not endorsed a candidate in the 2nd congressional race and neither has the Virginia Beach Taxpayer Alliance (VBTA). The TLP has endorsed James Quigley, chairman of the Peninsula Libertarian Party and a candidate in the 3rd.”
- Robert Dean 5/27/2010 7:45:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
That I suppose, doesn’t preclude a future VBTA endorsement, but at this point, it isn’t the case. In fairness to this article, it said that “sources” said one was coming soon. However, the headline is misleading. I am not a VBTA member and can’t really comment on the status beyond Robert’s recent comments.
Kathy, relative to you repeating the post by Marshall Smith at http://www.newrepublicpatriots.com/candidate_answers.html... isn’t Scott Taylor a little late in turning in his homework?
Scott’s answers on questions 3 – 8 were posted today 27 May from around 11AM to 2PM relative to the other candidates who had already turned their answers in, which Scott could ponder to help with his positions.
Ashley, I am disrespectful because I am giving you information that you failed to research? You are one of those students who complains about a bad grade too right, because it couldn’t possibly be your fault. Again, ODU doesn’t even recognize the certificate. It’s a piece of paper (if in fact it is on a piece of paper) that means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It isn’t even accredited by ODU. Do you know what accreditation means? Assuming you have a bachelor’s, like you state, you have to know what it means to have an accredited degree. Yes, ODU is accredited, but not all of their programs are recognized or accredited. The “Masters in Government Contracting” happens to be one of those programs. No, completely the opposite, I believe programs that are accredited by ODU are excellent. Unfortunately, Taylor does not have a degree from one of those programs.
If you do have an undergraduate degree, an accredited undergraduate degree, I apologize. Though, I don’t believe you do. I would like to have faith in our educational system and your lack of ability to tell the difference between a real degree and a bogus degree forces me to believe otherwise. I also have a hard time taking anyone who supports Taylor seriously. If you browse through his Facebook page it is plastered with members who are half-naked, all of his signs are outside of either bars or Mexican restaurants, he continually holds meetings at bars or Mexican restaurants (one of which, Guadalajara’s, is notoriously known for hosting the Democratic Party meetings), and the posts from his supporters are just short of saying ‘oh yeah, well I’m rubber and you’re glue.’
You keep outdoing yourself with your oblivious comments. The people who do my hair have never even heard of politics, that would be why I used that reference.
Tim J, he would have had his homework turned in sooner if someone from another campaign would have emailed it to him.
Britt,
I believe Chris was referring to the first mayoral race, but could be wrong.
Regardless, inviting Daun Hester to a Tea Party rally and giving her a very prominent speaking position is simply hypocrisy. It undermines everything the Tea Party claims to stand for. It was a dumb move, and baffling to those of us in attendance who were actually local (a lot of out of towners that day)
Really?? you are too funny. Scott speaks Spanish and has a lot of support from Spanish speaking people, hence meeting at Mexican restaurants. Is that a problem for you? Yes, I know what accredited means. Scott has never said he had a degree from ODU, he said he has a Master’s Certificate in Gov’t contracting. Scott has many many college credits. Yes, you are correct that he doesn’t have a degree. Again, he never said he did. Scott educates himself everyday. Clearly, my comments are not oblivious. I know Taylor very well, I know his background. I also know vindictive and lying person when I see them trying to smear someone for the positives in his life and I don’t want to let you sit there and type away bashing people. Maybe you should talk positive about your candidate and stop trying to convice people Taylor is all these bad things, that clearly anyone that has ever talked to him can see you are the oblivious one. JOY to the world
Ashley,
My forefathers were part of the great German wave of immigrants from Deutscheland. Their descendants learned to speak English. Special ballots were not printed up for them in Deutsche so they could read the ballots. They were expected to speak and read English before they cast their ballots. I am one of their descendants and while I am not college educated I possess the capability to communicate with my fellow citizens in English.
I am completely against any effort that might result in our nation becoming a bilingual state so that it becomes harder for our citizens to communicate with each other. My kids need to be able to communicate with their kids. They came here and here we speak English.
Hehe, DJ, that past election doesn’t matter. The fact is, Hester got 30% and he got 3%.
I do agree he spoke of the past election though, but the “facts” as demonstrated by the recent election, support my contention and not his. That hardly lends itself to him lecturing anybody about the facts.
I tend to agree with you. I don’t like the idea of picking between the lesser of two tax and spenders. I do understand an “any but Fraim” attitude. Sometimes a revolving door is the only way to send a message even if it means you get stuck with another big government type. However, as you state, it is contrary to what we would expect from the Tea Party Movement. I don’t particularly agree with it either, but I certainly wouldn’t accuse them of being ignorant or tell them effectively, that they should just stay home and bake cookies.
But you know what, a lot of liberals and a some big government friendly Republicans love to gratuitously slam the Tea Party movement. They don’t like the Tea Partiers shaking things up and ruining the cozy relationships.
Me? I love the Tea Party movement and I don’t mind sticking up for them when somebody goes beyond the understandable criticism of the Hester thing and gratuitously slams some good people in the movement.
Ashley, no, speaking Spanish is not a problem for me, I am fluent. But, you don’t hold Christian services in a Mosque.
Several other people said he had a Master’s Degree from ODU. Check out the rapping kid on his page. The certificate isn’t accredited either. That is what this argument is about. There have been different stories, certificate, master’s, and “studied.” “Studied,” like it states on his website, would be the proper term (since he does not hold an accredited certificate).
When did asking for clarification become smearing and bashing? And when did finding out the answers firsthand to uncover the lies become vindictive and lying? Only those that have something to hide would take offense. I’ve got news for you sweetheart, politics is not the place to be for someone who has something to hide.
Why do I feel that you missed the first part of this argument? The whole argument is that Taylor has been the ONLY candidate whose stories change from person to person, page to page. And I’m still voting for ABT.
You are still oblivious for the foregoing: “I know Taylor very well,” and how many people do you know well that still lie to you? “I know his background,” from what he tells you (see first question). “I also know vindictive and lying person when I see them,” (that one’s too obvious). Oh, and thank you for proving my point that Taylor followers belong to a cult. Because “clearly anyone that has ever talked to him can see you are the oblivious one.” I have 20 sheets of background material that states otherwise; yet you still remain with your empty words. (And before you think Taylor is special, I ran a background check on all of the candidates, minus Jessica.)
Really??? If Taylor is such a mystery to you. Then why don’t you call him. 343-3808. It’s on all of his material. Don’t sit on here and spew questions about his service. He is very upfront with everyone, unlike your candidate’s poll. over 50% in the Tea party? They hate him. Unlike yourself, Taylor has been in this city for years. He has served with people in this city for years. He has developed friendships for years. You speak as if he just jumped on the scene locally. Maybe politically, but he has been around here longer than most of these idiots posting on here. You sound like a bitter ex-girlfriend. If you have background info on everyone than put it out there. Cult following? He is a leader.(maybe you don’t see one in your office everyday) Unlike your little puppet. A man who needs 1 million dollars and a call in favor (bought) from the Mcdonnell, 3 weeks to a primary. Do you realize what the Dem party has on your boy? Keep drinking your koolaid Joy. If Rigell wins, he will embarrass us, and you will be nowhere to be found. Taylor’s Education? Really?? Taylor will mop the floor with your guy in a debate. On any of the issues.
Jared, with your comment “Do you realize what the Dem party has on your boy?”… you aren’t by chance talking about the subject of that closed door emergency meeting which the Chairman had with the inner circle last week, are you?
Jared/Ashley,
Really??? is not Joy. Sorry to burst your bubble. Keep guessing.
Either way D.J. my comment remains the same.
Tim J. Possibly so. If you know about that, then you know Our party may be in big trouble.
RE: the Daun Hester endorsement by Thom Ayers of the HRTP Board. Fraim is a political machine. Daun at least is an advocate of free speech and actually reads the budget. As for her appearance, at the Tax Day Tea Party, she was in her official position as welcoming us to the City of Norfolk.
Hopefully the citizens of Norfolk can spend the next couple of years identifying a fiscally conservative, liberty oriented candidate to defeat Fraim, and restore some representative government to the citizens of Norfolk.
@Britt- As the HRTP board reviewed the candidates, the fact the Bert didn’t really live here, but in Mclean, and that he never attended a tea party function he was invited to (except for our forum) were indicators to us that he would not be very accessible if elected to office. We already have an invisible congressman, we don’t need another. I could be wrong, but I hear that he may want to run for Senate? That would be interesting.
Jared, you are missing the point completely, HE ISN’T A MYSTERY TO ME! I know exactly who he is. Thanks to our wonderful government and the Freedom of Information Act you could too. And thanks, but I already have the cell number; which is useless unless he is able to fax me verifiable information from his cell phone. I have no use for words.
Of the information I have, no one has much to hide but Taylor. And no one has lied about anything but Taylor. Mind you, he is young, and they only go back 15 years. I am sure if I could pull up everyone’s information all of the way back until they were 15 it would be pretty telling as well.
I will not let you unwrap your Christmas presents before Christmas children! If the time comes, Nye will unwrap them for you.
Again, until the 8th, I am ABT since Golden is out. And I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE to see a debate between Taylor and Golden!
Oh, and Jared, why did he get out of the military? If he’s so upfront about this how have I not yet gotten an answer out of you, Ashley, or even his sister.
Mr. Howard, if you believe there isn’t top down party annointing, you haven’t been following the entire process. Returning to any “fold” is out of the question and will never happen. I made a very tough and hurtful decision for myself personally and I will not go back on that…..ever. Friends are friends and they still call on me all the time for favors and I do all I can. I told this to Governor McDonnell last week, but returning to any currently established Party would not be tolerable for me. Come by my office if you have time and we can discuss further, we are continuing our 5pm Friday Happy Hour and the first one is this Friday. See you all there. r Kenny
Britt,
Facts? The facts are that Montegue is far closer to the Tea Party and last time around got 37% of the vote. You make the logical fallacy of wanting to take into consideration facts that were not known at the time of the endorsement (results of the election, DUH!). All that was known at the time of the endorsement was that Montegue got 37% last time against Fraim with no money and that Daun Hester was just as bad as Fraim if not worse.
Your statements clearly show you are grasping at straws and unable to refute any of my other arguments. This is why you attack the most insignificant part of my rather lengthy tirade.
Karen,
Daun does not support free speech. Go read the story about what City Council tried to do with the recall provisions. I was there, at Council speaking against it. Daun Hester was holding back laughter at my arguments that it hurt free speech. You clinging to this argument that at least she supports free speech is just further proof of your ignorance. She is just as in favor of not televising meetings as Fraim is. You don’t know Norfolk politics Karen, just admit it. I have lived here and been intimately involved since before you woke up and realized there was even a problem.
As for her welcoming us? Your Facebook page, when searched for Daun Hester, shows Norvell and you saying she was allowed to speak because she was black and you wanted to have a minority present who was a politician. Something along the lines of, “think about the image it portrays to have a minority speak at an event held by a group that is often labeled as racist”
I don’t know why I bothered to paraphrase when I could just give the quote (so nice that google just upgraded to capture facebook page updates and cache them);
“Try looking at it from a different perspective – a politically powerful African-American offering a warm welcome to an activist group too often criticized as “racist”"
Kenny, good riddance. You were a horrible chairman, a wannabe bully and an arrogant snob. The people who know you best do not support your candidacy. Doesn’t that tell you something? Get over yourself.
Secret meeting?
Chris, why are you forcing me to go negative on Montegue repeatedly, because you won’t acknowledge the truth? …the facts. I don’t see the benefit in having to point those things out. Just as your repeating facts about the his lack of money. Although, they are facts, repeating them doesn’t help him grow his organization and prepare for future runs. You however, are forcing us to stand and watch you launch into Tea Party bashing or forcing someone to point out the obvious points that do little service to a more conservative future alternative(Dan). Since, you continue, so will I.
I don’t see the benefit in a Republican attacking Tea Party leadership when they do so much to help fight the “in your face socialism” of the Obama adminsitration. Thanks for the lose-lose situation, Chris. My apologies to Daniel Motegue, the facts are germane to the arguement and I don’t like Chris forcing me to repeat them.
True, the last election results were the only results at the time, but hardly the only evidence.
Chris, you are the one grasping at straws as indicated by the 30% Hester got and 3% Montegue brought in. And the 3% the ODU student got. Hester, a proven winner, held a council seat and had a better chance.
You claim to know so much about Norfolk politics and yet,………30% vs. 3%. Despite facts, you insist Monteque had a better chance to beat Fraim than Hester. Your “Facts” didn’t add up.
Why didn’t I respond to every nuance of your “lengthy tirade”? First, I don’t respond just because you’re begging us too. Secondly, you call it insignificant, but the most ridiculous part of your tirade jumped all over the Tea Party. I saw a giant gaping hole in your arguement and focused on it.
Do I agree 100% on Hester? No, but I would agree she would be better than Fraim. Further, what is this crap about you complaining about the Tea Party trying to maintain an open door to ALL people and protecting themselves from false charges of racism. They wanted soembody besides Fraim? So what?
One of the speakers that got great response was E.W. Jackson Jr., leader of the Exodus Faith Ministries who felt it necessary to say, “I am an American who happens to be black. I’m proud to call myself part of the tea party movement,”
Just as Democrats have accused Republicans of being racist despite Republican Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, and head of the NSA, and a Supreme Court Justice all being black. Republicans have also had hispanics in high offices like Alberto Gonzales US AG. Neither the Republicans nor the Tea Party has a former high ranking KKK member of the senate, yet it is the GOP & the Tea Party that suffer vicious false allegations.
The Tea Party is under constant attack because they make the current administration and good ol’ boys uncomfortable. They MUST pay attention to marketing and attempts to smear them. If you refuse to identify yourself, your enemy will do it for you. Thus, the Tea Party is pretty much forced to take further proactive steps. How do you blame them?
So, Chris, what are you going to complain about next, and which whose side are you on? I’m beginning to wonder.
Karen,
JR has a new post regarding your comments about Bert. I’d direct you to it.
As for Daun Hester, Chris is correct, the excuses do not add up. The best thing to do is would be to admit the mistake. There is no one locally involved in Norfolk politics who agrees with any of the excuses provided. Daun Hester is a tax raising, openness rejecting career politician. Her presence at the Tea Party rally was an insult to everyone there, especially residents of Norfolk. Thankfully for your organization, there were few residents there that day. Inviting her was a mistake and an embarrassment.
Ron,
While many of us disagree with Kenny’s assessment and subsequent decision, personal and character attacks are unnecessary and uncalled for. Under Kenny Virginia Beach flipped two House district previously lost as well as going for Bob McDonnell at 60+%. To call him a horrible chairman is factually untrue. An apology is in order.
He got out of the military because he decided to pursue some business ventures. What are you trying to imply? Do you want to see his record of honorable discharge? Scott Taylor never said he had a Masters Degree so stop lying on here. I am not part of a cult and I would appreciate it if you stop spewing that crap, I’m not saying that about you being a member of a Rigell cult. I said you are vindictive and lying because you are, not because I am part of a cult. Taylor doesn’t have anything to hide. How about you call him yourself and ask him these questions? No, because it’s so easy to make stuff up behind a computer. I know his background based on what he has said and the documents I have seen while volunteering for him. So again, you don’t know what your talking about. I hate to be involved in such negativity in this little spat w/you but I can’t stand people to just blatenly lie or attack people’s character w/a bunch of bs.
Yes, let’s hear about this secret meeting…
Was there a “Secret Meeting”?
“Ashley”,
I thought that I heard Taylor left the military on a medical honorable discharge after being wounded in combat? Maybe I’m mistaken.
DJ, he was injured in Operation Iraqi Freedom and had to be medivacted out of there but that is not why he got out of the military. He has an honorable discharge.
Thanks for clarifying! My mistake
Ashley, no, thank you though. I already submitted an SF180 for his records. So, he got out to “pursue some business ventures.” Funny, when I talked to him back in February it was an injury. I am just curious, how exactly do you just “get out” to “pursue some business ventures?” What have I blatantly lied about again?
Unfortunately, I agree with Ashley on this. What was the secret meeting about?
Ashley, sorry, just an afterthought after getting on Facebook. You may want to have Taylor call ahead to make sure that Guadalajara in Town Center hasn’t been shut down by the 4th. It seems that they manage their business much like Taylor manages his.
What business are you referring to about Taylor? Something tells me you probably don’t know what your talking about in that arena either. Scott has never said he got out of the military because of an injury. Maybe he was telling you about his injury and you misunderstood. At time of re-enlistment, he didn’t re-enlist. Why are you going to post on here that you have not received an answer. How many times do I have to tell you. You can just keep on making your little digs, all it is doing is making people NOT want to vote for your candidate even more. I’m not lying or bad mouthing any candidate, I’m just trying to defend the bs your spewing so other people don’t listen to your bs. If anyone wants to see a copy of Taylor’s honorable discharge, they can just call him. I’m sure he can send it right over.
Ashley, no, you just over estimate yours.
You think I am full of it? Question: What do: 3/28/2000; 10/10/2000; 4/3/2003; 1/12/2004; 1/15/2004; and 2/19/2008 all have in common? Is it a) they were all voting years; b) the world ended in these years; or c) dates that Taylor failed to appear in court.
Just curious, when did he tell you he detached from the military?
Failed to appear in court for what, a speeding ticket???
Wow, you are something. Yes, they were speeding tickets, he didn’t go to court and paid the tickets. Whoa, I’m pretty sure lots of people do that. Well, really ?? I would love to stay and debate with you over things you don’t know what your talking about, but I must get a life, it is Friday night. I saw Scott’s honarble discharge paperwork myself so give it a rest.
Ashley, no, those were just the dates he didn’t show up in court. And no, they were not all for speeding.
The dates that he actually prepaid for his offenses are: 11/26/2000; 2/13/2006; 4/21/2007; 11/21/2007; and 12/5/2008.
I will slowly unravel the ball of yarn for you right here on Bearing Drift if you’d like. You better check and make sure your candidate doesn’t have a problem with that though. If he has nothing to hide, like you say, then he shouldn’t.
With all this lawbreaking going on, is there a warrant or several warrants out for Taylor’s arrest?
Tim J, no, no current warrants. Although, he is wanted by several schools for honor code violations.
From Richard A. Viguerie’s Conservative HQ site..
‘Tea Party is new, independent 4th leg at conservative table’
“Coming on its one year anniversary, much is being written about the phenomenon called the Tea Party Movement; some accurate, and some fantastical. At its core, it is a revolution of fed-up middle-class Americans, and a response to political arrogance.
For over three decades, the conservative movement consisted of three legs: (1) limited government/fiscal restraint, (2) national defense, and (3) traditional-values conservatives. However, many of the conservative movement’s leaders became an appendage of the Republican Party. Not so with the Tea Party Movement, which puts principle above loyalty to politicians.
The Tea Party Movement developed independently from the conservative movement, but is a natural ally to the cause of small, limited, constitutional government. The Tea Party has started where the conservative movement once did, as outsiders to the political establishment.
The Tea Party Movement is now the fourth leg of the conservatives’ big table. It not only brings millions of new people to the political process, it also brings more energy, enthusiasm and excitement to politics than we’ve seen in the last 100 years.
I have been working and waiting 50 years for this populist, principled and constitutional groundswell against big government and the quasi-socialistic, crony capitalistic establishment institutions that have been abusing power and trust at the expense of hard-working Americans, their children and their grandchildren.
In just one year, the Tea Party has become the fastest-growing political movement perhaps in history. It is getting bigger by the day, and efforts by the political and media establishment to denigrate it merely fuel it. I expect more defeats in primaries this year than ever in history.
Most big-government incumbents would be well advised to follow Senators Bayh, Dodd and Dorgan and voluntarily retire, or the revitalized conservative movement led by Tea Partiers will enforce retirement this November.”
Who else pins the nose on the elephant better than this guy?
Really???, who’s paying you to be so ugly? I want to make sure I never vote for them.
[...] Over the past week or so, the board of the Hampton Roads Tea Party (HRTP) has criticized Mr. Rigell for this and other reasons. They have decided to publicly support Ben Loyola’s campaign. See also here. This endorsement has caused a bit of local furor. If you want to see the bickering first hand, then scan the recent Facebook posts and the 100 comments on this Bearing Drift article. [...]
Kathy, sorry, I had to do it. Taylor supporters obviously believe everything he says and I know otherwise through proof that he’s a liar. They kept saying I was lying, I had to show them I wasn’t. I didn’t want it to come to that. Honestly, I thought they would be smart enough to just look it up on their own but the only response I got from them was “Ask him, he’ll tell you.” Well, I’ve asked him, and everything he’s told me is a lie. And no one pays me, I just know that you should never trust what a person says until you see it with your own eyes. If you read my previous posts you know I have checked the background on all of the candidates. The only inconsistencies that appeared were in Taylor’s.
Really, since you seem to have done your research, how many of the current candidates have active Government security clearances, and if they have one, what level is it?
Tim J, that’s beyond my capability. I could attempt to order SF180s on all of them but I only went that far on Taylor. My guess, without going further, is that I would be denied access to the records of Bert, Loyola, and Golden.
Why so?
In order to know for sure I would need access to their military records. Those three candidates have several issues that would not allow me the ability to access their records: over 20 years, rank obtained, can still be activated, and I have no compelling reason. I could guess at each of them but that’s no fun. I have a few ideas on how to find out though, but I wouldn’t dare post that on here. If you would like to conspire with me shoot me an email: TimJisinmyhead@yahoo.com Yes, that’s a real email address. I made it just for you.
So you want me to conspire with you on a criminal act to obtain information that is protected under law? No thanks.
No Tim, it’s completely lawful. I just wouldn’t want to advertise it on here.
“Don’t Tread on Ed, He’ll Call You a Liar to your Face!” Today, there was a candidates debate on AM 1650 with Steve Batton (Joel Rubin moderating). Taylor, Sandlin, Loyola, and Ed were there. Loyola proclaimed that he received an endorsement from the Virgina Beach Taxpayer Alliance which was absolutely false. With the other candidates stunned, Ed looked strait into Ben’s eyes and called him a liar on the air. Ben said that Robert Dean’s personal endorsement applied to the Taxpayer Alliance. I wonder how the VBTA members feel about this false endorsement. Ed Maulbeck for Congress!
Correction: Bert was also at this radio debate. “Don’t Tread on Ed, You’ll be Sorry!”
So, Ed is going to be our very own “Congressman Grayson” who has become an national embarrassment and an icon of late night parodies, jokes and Halloween costumes.
I guess having Ed representing the 2nd District by acting out, shouting and calling people liars will make the people of Grayson’s district in Florida feel a little better because they won’t have the only clown who escaped from the circus.
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