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	<title>Comments on: Virginia Republicans will be Reading the Health Care Bill</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Barrett</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30894</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, we all can negotiate reductions from the response to the bid, or of course, we can reduce benefits to get a rate lower than proposed.  But in the end, the price for the same benefit plan keeps rising much faster than other costs.  If you have reduced your costs and kept the same benefits, and your premiums have actually gone done during the last decade, you really are a genius and should start your own business as a health care consultant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, we all can negotiate reductions from the response to the bid, or of course, we can reduce benefits to get a rate lower than proposed.  But in the end, the price for the same benefit plan keeps rising much faster than other costs.  If you have reduced your costs and kept the same benefits, and your premiums have actually gone done during the last decade, you really are a genius and should start your own business as a health care consultant.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim J</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30874</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Mike either you are an ignorant business man who doesn&#039;t have a &quot;clue&quot; as to how to bargain, or you are putting on blinders because you don&#039;t have the facts.  Apparently you haven&#039;t read any of the legislation and are being led by the ring in your haughty nose by politicians who you trust with whatever pea brain you are using. 

I am in charge of business operations in the Mid Atlantic region for a large contractor and have to deal across state lines with benefit issues all the time.  The example I gave about negotiating pre-paid deductibles is just one bargaining point I have used as an example in direct negotiations with our local crop of insurance providers.   It works, and I have the reduction in health care costs and happy employees to prove it.

 You may insult those of &quot;us&quot; who don&#039;t have a clue from your position on top of whatever tower of ignorance you are looking down from, but you had better start looking over your shoulder if this thing gets passed because the ax is going to start swinging when the Feds get their teeth into this.  

Before you start using your new favorite term &quot;clueless&quot; to call us names, go read the contents of these bills and if you don&#039;t come back with a scared look and some more informed comments, then we will know who&#039;s really clueless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Mike either you are an ignorant business man who doesn&#8217;t have a &#8220;clue&#8221; as to how to bargain, or you are putting on blinders because you don&#8217;t have the facts.  Apparently you haven&#8217;t read any of the legislation and are being led by the ring in your haughty nose by politicians who you trust with whatever pea brain you are using. </p>
<p>I am in charge of business operations in the Mid Atlantic region for a large contractor and have to deal across state lines with benefit issues all the time.  The example I gave about negotiating pre-paid deductibles is just one bargaining point I have used as an example in direct negotiations with our local crop of insurance providers.   It works, and I have the reduction in health care costs and happy employees to prove it.</p>
<p> You may insult those of &#8220;us&#8221; who don&#8217;t have a clue from your position on top of whatever tower of ignorance you are looking down from, but you had better start looking over your shoulder if this thing gets passed because the ax is going to start swinging when the Feds get their teeth into this.  </p>
<p>Before you start using your new favorite term &#8220;clueless&#8221; to call us names, go read the contents of these bills and if you don&#8217;t come back with a scared look and some more informed comments, then we will know who&#8217;s really clueless.</p>
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		<title>By: William Bailey</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30858</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look forward to the bill passing this weekend.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Barrett</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30857</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Tim J, your post reveals that you really don&#039;t have a clue at all.  Negotiation?  Does not happen in this market; businesses basically have two choices, and if you play one off against the other every year or so, you may think you can win but the record shows you can&#039;t.  As far as having a staff person who handles this, we already do have such a person.  We provide a good, decent plan, but frankly, I am not worried about any tax for providing a cadillac plan.  Now, you can try to scare those who don&#039;t have a clue, but your post reveals you really don&#039;t have a clue either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Tim J, your post reveals that you really don&#8217;t have a clue at all.  Negotiation?  Does not happen in this market; businesses basically have two choices, and if you play one off against the other every year or so, you may think you can win but the record shows you can&#8217;t.  As far as having a staff person who handles this, we already do have such a person.  We provide a good, decent plan, but frankly, I am not worried about any tax for providing a cadillac plan.  Now, you can try to scare those who don&#8217;t have a clue, but your post reveals you really don&#8217;t have a clue either.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim J</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30844</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Mike, as a CEO, you are in favor of the current health care plan that is supported by the Democrats and as their employer, are willing to shift your current responsibility to your employees to the Federal Government.   Maybe as CEO you are tired and are sick of the corporate world, and want to pay the Federal Government more money to take your burden of having to care for your employees off your shoulders because those pesky employees are right now costing you too much money.  

I have spent the time to read the corporate and individual mandates under these bills and they are in one of your favorite words, “draconian”.  As an example, today you have the option as a CEO in Virginia to negotiate with insurance companies to significantly reduce costs by paying up front for deductibles, which can significantly lower both the business and employee rates.  Under the Federal Health Care Law, you are forced as an employer to pay increased coverage for your employees, employees are forced to pay more of their costs with an additional tax for any “Cadillac” coverage (drug abuse counseling, vision, dentistry, orthodontia, alternative medicine, psychiatric and many others) above the minimum Federal level.  There is no negotiation with the Federal Government under any of these plans.  Unless your employees are unionized under one of the preferred unions, both you and your employees are hammered.  There are additional corporate taxes related to “wellness” programs and the list goes on and on.  

The indirect costs for maintaining compliance with this new program are going to require you to hire and train new health care specialists in your company who are certified to report and communicate the HHS and the subsidiary regulatory agencies which this bill is going to create.   It remains to be defined if these costs are deductable, and they probably will not be according to two of the bills I have read.  You will also need to have several lawyers who specialize in the different aspects of health care law on retainer because there are severe penalties for not complying with all provisions of the law.

After the Feds implement this brave new world of health care, you can take comfort in the fact that you and your employees are being forced to pay much more than you currently do for those 40 million souls who will be equal with you as one of the “haves” in health care, because as of right now in your words, they are “have nots”.    

If your business survives a health care audit and isn’t liquidated for fines or back health care taxes, which are going to be turned over to the IRS for enforcement, then you will have passed a hurdle that many businesses will not survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Mike, as a CEO, you are in favor of the current health care plan that is supported by the Democrats and as their employer, are willing to shift your current responsibility to your employees to the Federal Government.   Maybe as CEO you are tired and are sick of the corporate world, and want to pay the Federal Government more money to take your burden of having to care for your employees off your shoulders because those pesky employees are right now costing you too much money.  </p>
<p>I have spent the time to read the corporate and individual mandates under these bills and they are in one of your favorite words, “draconian”.  As an example, today you have the option as a CEO in Virginia to negotiate with insurance companies to significantly reduce costs by paying up front for deductibles, which can significantly lower both the business and employee rates.  Under the Federal Health Care Law, you are forced as an employer to pay increased coverage for your employees, employees are forced to pay more of their costs with an additional tax for any “Cadillac” coverage (drug abuse counseling, vision, dentistry, orthodontia, alternative medicine, psychiatric and many others) above the minimum Federal level.  There is no negotiation with the Federal Government under any of these plans.  Unless your employees are unionized under one of the preferred unions, both you and your employees are hammered.  There are additional corporate taxes related to “wellness” programs and the list goes on and on.  </p>
<p>The indirect costs for maintaining compliance with this new program are going to require you to hire and train new health care specialists in your company who are certified to report and communicate the HHS and the subsidiary regulatory agencies which this bill is going to create.   It remains to be defined if these costs are deductable, and they probably will not be according to two of the bills I have read.  You will also need to have several lawyers who specialize in the different aspects of health care law on retainer because there are severe penalties for not complying with all provisions of the law.</p>
<p>After the Feds implement this brave new world of health care, you can take comfort in the fact that you and your employees are being forced to pay much more than you currently do for those 40 million souls who will be equal with you as one of the “haves” in health care, because as of right now in your words, they are “have nots”.    </p>
<p>If your business survives a health care audit and isn’t liquidated for fines or back health care taxes, which are going to be turned over to the IRS for enforcement, then you will have passed a hurdle that many businesses will not survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Barrett</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30843</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Brian, your elitism shows as you clearly place no value in insuring 40 M Americans who have no health insurance.  Frankly, I do place some value on that, both as to the public health benefit, and for those who are free loaders today but who must come into the system.  Frankly, the incentive for a private insurance company is to deny coverage and benefits, instead of to compete on efficiency and quality service at a lower price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Brian, your elitism shows as you clearly place no value in insuring 40 M Americans who have no health insurance.  Frankly, I do place some value on that, both as to the public health benefit, and for those who are free loaders today but who must come into the system.  Frankly, the incentive for a private insurance company is to deny coverage and benefits, instead of to compete on efficiency and quality service at a lower price.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30841</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Mike.  Government has an excellent record of making things less expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Mike.  Government has an excellent record of making things less expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Dodo</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30828</link>
		<dc:creator>Dodo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is that what the Democrats are lacking... leadership?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is that what the Democrats are lacking&#8230; leadership?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Barrett</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30826</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Dodo, I have never said rates won&#039;t go up.  They will, although I believe the increases will be less than the trajectory rates have been on.  As well, there is a benefit to having 40 M uninsured in the health care system.  No, I do not have unrealistic expectations, but I do know that if we don&#039;t take this step, the problem will get worse, not better, and while obstructionism may work as a political tactic, it is no substitute for leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Dodo, I have never said rates won&#8217;t go up.  They will, although I believe the increases will be less than the trajectory rates have been on.  As well, there is a benefit to having 40 M uninsured in the health care system.  No, I do not have unrealistic expectations, but I do know that if we don&#8217;t take this step, the problem will get worse, not better, and while obstructionism may work as a political tactic, it is no substitute for leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Barrett</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30824</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all due respect, Tim J, my comment about future costs is based upon my own experience as the CEO of a company dealing with annual increases over the past decade.  As there is little competition in this region, the rates go in one direction; that is, up, and far in excess of rate increases for other parts of our business.  You may accuse me of parroting what someone else has said, but that would simply not be true.  I have lived this issue as a businessman, and the status quo simply is unsustainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all due respect, Tim J, my comment about future costs is based upon my own experience as the CEO of a company dealing with annual increases over the past decade.  As there is little competition in this region, the rates go in one direction; that is, up, and far in excess of rate increases for other parts of our business.  You may accuse me of parroting what someone else has said, but that would simply not be true.  I have lived this issue as a businessman, and the status quo simply is unsustainable.</p>
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		<title>By: Dodo</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30821</link>
		<dc:creator>Dodo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who wants to break it to Mike that even if this bill passes, premiums will still go up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who wants to break it to Mike that even if this bill passes, premiums will still go up?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim J</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30820</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, where is there objective and parametric proof of this, not just an opinion from a biased news media source: &quot;what I do know is that if we continue on with the status quo, costs will continue to sky rocket&quot;?  

Why are you repeating Van Jones with your statement &quot;disparity between the haves and have nots will widen&quot; and why are you parroting and stringing together the health care talking points from the Center for American Progress?  

All of us currently have rights to our opinions, but you are aligning yourself with those who are seeking to suppress or restrict them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, where is there objective and parametric proof of this, not just an opinion from a biased news media source: &#8220;what I do know is that if we continue on with the status quo, costs will continue to sky rocket&#8221;?  </p>
<p>Why are you repeating Van Jones with your statement &#8220;disparity between the haves and have nots will widen&#8221; and why are you parroting and stringing together the health care talking points from the Center for American Progress?  </p>
<p>All of us currently have rights to our opinions, but you are aligning yourself with those who are seeking to suppress or restrict them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Barrett</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30817</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy, please, simply calling attention to the documented policy of obstructionism by the republicans is not slamming them, it is simply seeing things as they are and as they want it.  My problem with that tactic is that it has left too many good ideas on the sidelines.  I do value cost containment, the retention of military benefits, the near universal coverage that brings &quot;free loaders&quot; into the system, and the partnership with private insurers and others in the health care system.  While I don&#039;t think this will bring costs down, what I do know is that if we continue on with the status quo, costs will continue to sky rocket and the disparity between the haves and have nots will widen.  Frankly, when I go to the supermarket, the drug store, a restaurant, the gym, I want to be confident that all there, employees, customers, suppliers, owners, have decent preventative health care.  This bill is a step in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy, please, simply calling attention to the documented policy of obstructionism by the republicans is not slamming them, it is simply seeing things as they are and as they want it.  My problem with that tactic is that it has left too many good ideas on the sidelines.  I do value cost containment, the retention of military benefits, the near universal coverage that brings &#8220;free loaders&#8221; into the system, and the partnership with private insurers and others in the health care system.  While I don&#8217;t think this will bring costs down, what I do know is that if we continue on with the status quo, costs will continue to sky rocket and the disparity between the haves and have nots will widen.  Frankly, when I go to the supermarket, the drug store, a restaurant, the gym, I want to be confident that all there, employees, customers, suppliers, owners, have decent preventative health care.  This bill is a step in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30815</link>
		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MB,

I ask this legitimately as a question. What in this bill suggests to you that this is going to slow growing healthcare costs for small businesses? 

In a similar light, Massachusetts essentially has this system now and they have the highest insurance costs in the country. The current Democrat State treasurer has come out against this plan because the MA version failed to keep costs down. So in what manner does this plan differ from the MA system in its relevance to costs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB,</p>
<p>I ask this legitimately as a question. What in this bill suggests to you that this is going to slow growing healthcare costs for small businesses? </p>
<p>In a similar light, Massachusetts essentially has this system now and they have the highest insurance costs in the country. The current Democrat State treasurer has come out against this plan because the MA version failed to keep costs down. So in what manner does this plan differ from the MA system in its relevance to costs?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Mateer</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/17/virginia-republicans-will-be-reading-the-health-care-bill/#comment-30813</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Mateer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you are a proud Democrat, have you read the Health Care Reform Bill in it&#039;s entirety and why, in your opinion would this be what all of the American people want to live with now and the repercussions of it for our future generations?

There are other ways to approach this than to blast Republicans.  Can you find another way?  

Instead of pushing this bill through like an angry child having to get it&#039;s way no matter who it hurts or inconveniences, it has to be good for all the American people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you are a proud Democrat, have you read the Health Care Reform Bill in it&#8217;s entirety and why, in your opinion would this be what all of the American people want to live with now and the repercussions of it for our future generations?</p>
<p>There are other ways to approach this than to blast Republicans.  Can you find another way?  </p>
<p>Instead of pushing this bill through like an angry child having to get it&#8217;s way no matter who it hurts or inconveniences, it has to be good for all the American people.</p>
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