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	<title>Comments on: Republicans uphold law with respect to &#8220;sexual orientation&#8221; as a protected class</title>
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		<title>By: What gays should expect from new wave republicans - Page 13</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30569</link>
		<dc:creator>What gays should expect from new wave republicans - Page 13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 02:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Protections For Gay State Workers &#124; TPMDC     Just quickly dropping by to clear this up.  Virginia Republicans fail to protect gays as a class &#124; Bearing Drift: Virginia Politics On Demand   [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Barrett</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30290</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunately, Governor McDonnell in no uncertain terms said yesterday he will not tolerate discrimination within his administration.  I will take him at his word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, Governor McDonnell in no uncertain terms said yesterday he will not tolerate discrimination within his administration.  I will take him at his word.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz S.</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30216</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, as long as aspects of a person&#039;s life can be used to differentiate them under the law and within our society, then they need to be protected under the law. Steven, I&#039;m sure you&#039;re aware that it&#039;s only as of October, 2009, that attacks against a person based on their sexual preference or identity were included as hate crimes, much to the protestations of some Christian preachers as, in their minds, this means they can&#039;t preach against homosexuality anymore...protection of life apparantly is outweighed by hellfire and damnation preaching.  

As long as there are heterosexuals, such as my brothers-in-law who, much to my own shame, are intensely homophobic, then there should be a protection against discrimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, as long as aspects of a person&#8217;s life can be used to differentiate them under the law and within our society, then they need to be protected under the law. Steven, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re aware that it&#8217;s only as of October, 2009, that attacks against a person based on their sexual preference or identity were included as hate crimes, much to the protestations of some Christian preachers as, in their minds, this means they can&#8217;t preach against homosexuality anymore&#8230;protection of life apparantly is outweighed by hellfire and damnation preaching.  </p>
<p>As long as there are heterosexuals, such as my brothers-in-law who, much to my own shame, are intensely homophobic, then there should be a protection against discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim J</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30199</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many &quot;protected classes&quot; do we have now?  Age, sex, disabled, ethnic, Native American, religion, now we have sexual preference with others pending and each with a straw in the Government milkshake.  As we continue dividing and separating people based on specific characteristics, when will we ever be unified on anything?  

I see this as liberal “earthquake damage” to our society where these cultural divisions are fractures in the crumbling foundation of what previous generations built.  What was that old saying - “divide and conquer”?   It has proven true in great civilizations throughout history, and we are seeing it happen before our eyes as we continue to divide ourselves into tribes who are at war with each other because groups of us consider ourselves different from everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many &#8220;protected classes&#8221; do we have now?  Age, sex, disabled, ethnic, Native American, religion, now we have sexual preference with others pending and each with a straw in the Government milkshake.  As we continue dividing and separating people based on specific characteristics, when will we ever be unified on anything?  </p>
<p>I see this as liberal “earthquake damage” to our society where these cultural divisions are fractures in the crumbling foundation of what previous generations built.  What was that old saying &#8211; “divide and conquer”?   It has proven true in great civilizations throughout history, and we are seeing it happen before our eyes as we continue to divide ourselves into tribes who are at war with each other because groups of us consider ourselves different from everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Barrett</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30167</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the outrage is reserved for the basic distinction that just because sexual preference is not a protected class in Virginia law, does not mean they should be discriminated against.  Thank goodness that most members of civil society will not do so whether the attorney general writes his unnecessary opinion or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the outrage is reserved for the basic distinction that just because sexual preference is not a protected class in Virginia law, does not mean they should be discriminated against.  Thank goodness that most members of civil society will not do so whether the attorney general writes his unnecessary opinion or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Osborne</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30165</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last time I checked, the penalty for a crime against a homosexual is the same as the penalty for committing a crime against a heterosexual. That is called equal protection under the law, something that is not at issue here.

Bob McDonnell and Ken Cuccinelli have both done the right thing here. J.R. is correct in stating that the executive order issued by Gov. Kaine was not on par with the law. The executive branch simply does not have that authority. I have also seen it suggested that Gov. McDonnell and the Attorney General should not have shifted any of the discussion to those &quot;divisive&quot; social issues during this time of economic crisis. However, like their stand on healthcare and their tough fiscal decisions,  this goes much deeper than the fiscal and social debate, and it goes to the heart of the matter of liberty. These homosexual &quot;rights&quot; often lead to infringements on the First Amendment. We have already seen, the government bar Tony Perkins, a former Marine, from speaking at Andrews Air Force base due to his opposition to the repeal of DADT. Not to mention that students at many colleges now find their right to free speech constricted to &quot;free speech zones&quot;! Are none of my libertarian friends upset at these developments? Or are they not socially libertarian federalists, but rather social liberals?

I would not support adding &quot;sexual orientation&quot; to the list of protected classes from a legislative point of view either. Because we have already seen the beginnings of what happens when we do that. Liberty is decreased and the state&#039;s power is increased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last time I checked, the penalty for a crime against a homosexual is the same as the penalty for committing a crime against a heterosexual. That is called equal protection under the law, something that is not at issue here.</p>
<p>Bob McDonnell and Ken Cuccinelli have both done the right thing here. J.R. is correct in stating that the executive order issued by Gov. Kaine was not on par with the law. The executive branch simply does not have that authority. I have also seen it suggested that Gov. McDonnell and the Attorney General should not have shifted any of the discussion to those &#8220;divisive&#8221; social issues during this time of economic crisis. However, like their stand on healthcare and their tough fiscal decisions,  this goes much deeper than the fiscal and social debate, and it goes to the heart of the matter of liberty. These homosexual &#8220;rights&#8221; often lead to infringements on the First Amendment. We have already seen, the government bar Tony Perkins, a former Marine, from speaking at Andrews Air Force base due to his opposition to the repeal of DADT. Not to mention that students at many colleges now find their right to free speech constricted to &#8220;free speech zones&#8221;! Are none of my libertarian friends upset at these developments? Or are they not socially libertarian federalists, but rather social liberals?</p>
<p>I would not support adding &#8220;sexual orientation&#8221; to the list of protected classes from a legislative point of view either. Because we have already seen the beginnings of what happens when we do that. Liberty is decreased and the state&#8217;s power is increased.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30159</link>
		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

am i correct that SB66 only applies to government employers and not private employers?

If this is the case, i see this becoming reality a sooner in upcoming years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>am i correct that SB66 only applies to government employers and not private employers?</p>
<p>If this is the case, i see this becoming reality a sooner in upcoming years.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30155</link>
		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve,

i personally have no idea what the legallity is of the state school policies, but outcomes of the rules themselves aside, if it is true in fact that the schools can NOT impliment such policy without legistlative approval, you think that does not matter at all? And that we should just do things because someone thinks they are good regardless of law?

I thought you guys were calling Bush King George and Bushitler for 8 years because he didnt govern by rule of law? How is this any different in principle if it indeed is illegal for the schools to do so?

But as pointed out earlier as far as pratical asspects, this hasnt changed anything - and the second someone gets fired for being gay theres going to be a huge lawsuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve,</p>
<p>i personally have no idea what the legallity is of the state school policies, but outcomes of the rules themselves aside, if it is true in fact that the schools can NOT impliment such policy without legistlative approval, you think that does not matter at all? And that we should just do things because someone thinks they are good regardless of law?</p>
<p>I thought you guys were calling Bush King George and Bushitler for 8 years because he didnt govern by rule of law? How is this any different in principle if it indeed is illegal for the schools to do so?</p>
<p>But as pointed out earlier as far as pratical asspects, this hasnt changed anything &#8211; and the second someone gets fired for being gay theres going to be a huge lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: Smoke Screening Discrimination? &#187; Virginia Beach Progressives &#187; National, State, and Local Politics Affecting Virginia Beach</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30147</link>
		<dc:creator>Smoke Screening Discrimination? &#187; Virginia Beach Progressives &#187; National, State, and Local Politics Affecting Virginia Beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] don&#8217;t agree with J.R. Hoeft over at Bearing Drift very often, but I agree with him that we need to elect people to the General Assembly, especially [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Vaughan</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30146</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Vaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is that if you are AGAINST protecting people from discrimination then you are FOR discriminating against them. And if you look at the thesis, and Cuccinelli&#039;s past statements on gay issues, it&#039;s not hard to come to that opinion about the governor and attorney general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is that if you are AGAINST protecting people from discrimination then you are FOR discriminating against them. And if you look at the thesis, and Cuccinelli&#8217;s past statements on gay issues, it&#8217;s not hard to come to that opinion about the governor and attorney general.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30145</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, he&#039;s the AG of the Commonwealth. His JOB is to provide legal advice to state agencies and that is exactly what he did, informing them that their policies do not line up with state law, especially after McDonnell failed to renew the Warner/Kaine executive order that was in violation of Virginia&#039;s Constitution.

That said, there is no reason for the House to not act on SB66 and provide the legislative fix.  Obenshain&#039;s argument makes sense but would only apply to anyone unfairly dismissed since McDonnell came to office and Kaine&#039;s policy went out to when whatever solution is finally signed into law. And even then, Virginia, as an at-will state, can find any number of reasons to have fired someone beyond their sexual orientation.

What a lot of folks are missing is that Cuccinelli&#039;s letter has changed NOTHING. Schools will still have their policies, the state is merely advising that those policies may not hold up in court should they be challenged. THIS DOES NOT IMPACT STUDENTS. Many student bodies feel this means their status at school is challenged and that is not the case. It&#039;s an employment policy.

All of that said, the moment someone is fired over sexual orientation, there will be one hell of a lawsuit and I would expect the courts to side with the plaintiff as a matter of civil rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, he&#8217;s the AG of the Commonwealth. His JOB is to provide legal advice to state agencies and that is exactly what he did, informing them that their policies do not line up with state law, especially after McDonnell failed to renew the Warner/Kaine executive order that was in violation of Virginia&#8217;s Constitution.</p>
<p>That said, there is no reason for the House to not act on SB66 and provide the legislative fix.  Obenshain&#8217;s argument makes sense but would only apply to anyone unfairly dismissed since McDonnell came to office and Kaine&#8217;s policy went out to when whatever solution is finally signed into law. And even then, Virginia, as an at-will state, can find any number of reasons to have fired someone beyond their sexual orientation.</p>
<p>What a lot of folks are missing is that Cuccinelli&#8217;s letter has changed NOTHING. Schools will still have their policies, the state is merely advising that those policies may not hold up in court should they be challenged. THIS DOES NOT IMPACT STUDENTS. Many student bodies feel this means their status at school is challenged and that is not the case. It&#8217;s an employment policy.</p>
<p>All of that said, the moment someone is fired over sexual orientation, there will be one hell of a lawsuit and I would expect the courts to side with the plaintiff as a matter of civil rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30143</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has the economy gotten so good that this is what we&#039;re concerned about?

I&#039;m getting a bit tired of some people being in a &quot;protected class&quot; and some people not.  Whatever happened to &quot;equal protection under the law?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has the economy gotten so good that this is what we&#8217;re concerned about?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting a bit tired of some people being in a &#8220;protected class&#8221; and some people not.  Whatever happened to &#8220;equal protection under the law?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Barrett</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30142</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, of course you can duck behind the specific legal requirement, but we should expect our top elected leadership to be statesman as well.  There was absolutlely no reason for the AG to advise anyone of what the law is; after all, he is not the only person who can read.  No, he wrote his guidance to please his own right wing base, knowing that his unneeded advice would be divisive and would serve red meat to those who supported his election.  If Northrup Grumman leaves Virginia off the list, he will have gotten exactly what he deserves, and we Virginians will be the losers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, of course you can duck behind the specific legal requirement, but we should expect our top elected leadership to be statesman as well.  There was absolutlely no reason for the AG to advise anyone of what the law is; after all, he is not the only person who can read.  No, he wrote his guidance to please his own right wing base, knowing that his unneeded advice would be divisive and would serve red meat to those who supported his election.  If Northrup Grumman leaves Virginia off the list, he will have gotten exactly what he deserves, and we Virginians will be the losers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30083</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 04:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said JR.

People need to call their Delegates and Senators and encourage them to vote for the addition of &quot;sexual orientation&quot; into the state&#039;s non-discrimination policy. Not Cuccinelli.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said JR.</p>
<p>People need to call their Delegates and Senators and encourage them to vote for the addition of &#8220;sexual orientation&#8221; into the state&#8217;s non-discrimination policy. Not Cuccinelli.</p>
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		<title>By: HBK</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2010/03/08/republicans-uphold-law-with-respect-to-sexual-orientation-as-a-protected-class/#comment-30082</link>
		<dc:creator>HBK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 04:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Cooch lays down for absolutely no one!</description>
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