Comments on: Kaine’s absent, and it’s not all his fault http://bearingdrift.com/2009/06/30/kaines-absent-and-its-not-all-his-fault/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:38:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: LittleDavid http://bearingdrift.com/2009/06/30/kaines-absent-and-its-not-all-his-fault/#comment-18952 LittleDavid Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:29:57 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=7376#comment-18952 Tex, Yeah, let's follow California's lead and allow recalls. I hope you noted the sarcasm. I think our system of checks and balances prevents the Governor from getting too far out of control. Looking at the results over there in California (and I get over that way at least a couple times a year) I do not think we want to follow their lead. Impeachment is one thing, but recall is yet another. Tex,

Yeah, let’s follow California’s lead and allow recalls. I hope you noted the sarcasm. I think our system of checks and balances prevents the Governor from getting too far out of control. Looking at the results over there in California (and I get over that way at least a couple times a year) I do not think we want to follow their lead. Impeachment is one thing, but recall is yet another.

]]> By: VA Blogger http://bearingdrift.com/2009/06/30/kaines-absent-and-its-not-all-his-fault/#comment-18951 VA Blogger Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:06:59 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=7376#comment-18951 I'm opposed to all term limits. There should never be an arbitrary reason that prevents the electorate from voting for whomever they like to office. I’m opposed to all term limits. There should never be an arbitrary reason that prevents the electorate from voting for whomever they like to office.

]]> By: tx2vadem http://bearingdrift.com/2009/06/30/kaines-absent-and-its-not-all-his-fault/#comment-18949 tx2vadem Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:47:11 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=7376#comment-18949 Why not just allow recalls? Then they are always subject to the wrath of an angry electorate. Why not just allow recalls? Then they are always subject to the wrath of an angry electorate.

]]> By: Brian (not that one) http://bearingdrift.com/2009/06/30/kaines-absent-and-its-not-all-his-fault/#comment-18947 Brian (not that one) Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:03:16 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=7376#comment-18947 I second the claim that a second term just puts off the "appointed leader" problem for four years. Further, maybe this problem could be a feature, rather than a bug. It frees a Gov to do what he believes is best for the Commonwealth w/o worrying about clinging to power. I'll grant that this notion is cold comfort if you disagree with the Gov about what is good for the Commonwealth. This debate is so Virginia. If we aren't clinging to a governmental relic bequeathed to us by Thomas Jefferson, we're holding on to one from Harry Byrd. I second the claim that a second term just puts off the “appointed leader” problem for four years. Further, maybe this problem could be a feature, rather than a bug. It frees a Gov to do what he believes is best for the Commonwealth w/o worrying about clinging to power. I’ll grant that this notion is cold comfort if you disagree with the Gov about what is good for the Commonwealth.

This debate is so Virginia. If we aren’t clinging to a governmental relic bequeathed to us by Thomas Jefferson, we’re holding on to one from Harry Byrd.

]]> By: LittleDavid http://bearingdrift.com/2009/06/30/kaines-absent-and-its-not-all-his-fault/#comment-18946 LittleDavid Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:54:13 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=7376#comment-18946 Brian, yes but that is one of the strengths in the argument against. It is part of the checks and balances. Here in Virginia we have a part time legislature. Keeping every Governor a lame duck balances things out. Now, if we wanted a full time legislature, and gave these legislatures enough of a salary so that they were always ready and able to respond to everything the Governor was up to? Well then.... but that is not the way we do it. Brian, yes but that is one of the strengths in the argument against. It is part of the checks and balances. Here in Virginia we have a part time legislature. Keeping every Governor a lame duck balances things out.

Now, if we wanted a full time legislature, and gave these legislatures enough of a salary so that they were always ready and able to respond to everything the Governor was up to? Well then…. but that is not the way we do it.

]]> By: Brian Kirwin http://bearingdrift.com/2009/06/30/kaines-absent-and-its-not-all-his-fault/#comment-18944 Brian Kirwin Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:06:01 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=7376#comment-18944 David, yes I thought of that, about the last term of every term-limited Governor is a lame duck one. But that's better than every term being one. David, yes I thought of that, about the last term of every term-limited Governor is a lame duck one. But that’s better than every term being one.

]]> By: LittleDavid http://bearingdrift.com/2009/06/30/kaines-absent-and-its-not-all-his-fault/#comment-18940 LittleDavid Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:51:12 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=7376#comment-18940 I am not passionate about this issue in either direction. I could live with allowing our Governors two or even three terms in office, as long as we did not go beyond three. However I will point out that what Brian describes as being the downside of our one term Governorship will still be true of any Governor is his final term in office if he wins reelection. In fact, as I travel around the nation, it is not unusual to hear of a Governor in other states who are in their second and final term of office described as a lame duck almost from the moment they win the second term. I think there are stronger arguments in favor of at least a second term then what Brian brings up. However there are also some pretty strong arguments against it. As far as I am concerned, there are strengths and weaknesses in both directions, so I can live with either (as long as it is not unlimited terms in office). I am not passionate about this issue in either direction. I could live with allowing our Governors two or even three terms in office, as long as we did not go beyond three.

However I will point out that what Brian describes as being the downside of our one term Governorship will still be true of any Governor is his final term in office if he wins reelection. In fact, as I travel around the nation, it is not unusual to hear of a Governor in other states who are in their second and final term of office described as a lame duck almost from the moment they win the second term.

I think there are stronger arguments in favor of at least a second term then what Brian brings up. However there are also some pretty strong arguments against it. As far as I am concerned, there are strengths and weaknesses in both directions, so I can live with either (as long as it is not unlimited terms in office).

]]> By: Steve Vaughan http://bearingdrift.com/2009/06/30/kaines-absent-and-its-not-all-his-fault/#comment-18939 Steve Vaughan Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:45:43 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=7376#comment-18939 Brian, Agree that Virginia's governors need to face the voters again. Many of them do spend their last year auditioning for the next job. How many people remember George Allen's Christmas giveaway tour of the state, when he went around giving away money to every cultural institution in the state, Monticello, Jefferson Forest, etc.....a big pork fest that was basically a downpayment on his Senate campaign? As for governors serving as party chairs, it does usually mean that they don't do EITHER job very well. Brian,
Agree that Virginia’s governors need to face the voters again.
Many of them do spend their last year auditioning for the next job.
How many people remember George Allen’s Christmas giveaway tour of the state, when he went around giving away money to every cultural institution in the state, Monticello, Jefferson Forest, etc…..a big pork fest that was basically a downpayment on his Senate campaign?
As for governors serving as party chairs, it does usually mean that they don’t do EITHER job very well.

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