VPOD 62: Patrick Muldoon, GOP candidate for LG nomination
By JR Hoeft | Wednesday, May 20th, 2009 | Podcasts, PoliticsIn this episode of Virginia Politics On-Demand, Patrick Muldoon, candidate for the GOP nomination for lieutenant governor, introduces us to who he is and why he is running.
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Conservative to the core; liberal with his opinion! J.R. has been involved in politics for over a decade and has worked on several campaigns in Hampton Roads. He has served on the Executive Committee of the Republican Party of Chesapeake and the Central Committee of the Republican Party of Virginia. He is also the director of “Blogs United” in Virginia. E-mail J.R.. Follow J.R. on Twitter.
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48 Responses to "VPOD 62: Patrick Muldoon, GOP candidate for LG nomination"
Putting anything about Muldoon on this site really is just a waste of of bandwidth. He’s a slimy candidate who is just slinging mud at one of the most solid conservatives Virginia has seen in the last decade. Bolling has been a leader in the VA conservative movement, and I can’t wait until June, when Bolling will have won the nomination and Muldoon is never heard from again.
Everyone is free to run… that is what our Country is about… but its also about my freedom to say…. Muldoon is a nutcase and an embarrassment I wouldn’t wish him on even the Democratic Party. Steve Waters should be embarrased to have scraped the bottom of the barrel to find such a person as willing to even lend his name to such lies and slander as to what with Waters, Marshall, and McSweeney have all attacked Bill Bolling. Muldoon is such a puppet.
Bill Bolling hasn’t shown leadership? Are you kidding me? Bill Bolling is one of the main reasons we have a Marriage Amendment in VA, and he showed the ultimate in leadership by stepping aside for Bob McDonnell.
What’s Patrick Muldoon ever led on? Aside from sending me 4 emails a day, every day, for the last 3 weeks.
Yeah if Patrick can’t even work a email account how in the hell can he run the Senate. Muldoon = Fail!
And if you have someone who is that nasty and divisive when he’s running against a fine, upstanding leader from his own party, what kind of possible “leadership” would he show in office? The type of campaign Muldoon has run is reason #1 why NOT to vote for him!
Hey Guys,
We aren’t the ones to have dropped two negative mailings in the last week. We havn’t called Bolling a liar or dishonest! We havn’t said he doesn’t deserve you vote! Where did Bolling refute what we said? Anywhere? Nope, instead he calls Patrick a liar. Do the math, look it up, we’ve provided the material for you to look at yourself. It’s on Bolling’s own website in most cases or newsclips of stories or even vpap.org or State Board of Elections. Don’t drink the Kool-aid. Just look it up. You don’t want to vote for Patrick then vote for Bill, but at least look it up first. You might be surprised. Bill is running on his past and no vision for the future. His 100 ideas aren’t even his, there yours.
We don’t mind that you don’t like us, we don’t mind if you don’t want to vote for us. Just think for yourselves on this one. You might be surprised and there again, you might still feel the same way. It doesn’t help our party when we punish people for running against an incumbent and it sets a bad precedent to do so to challengers.
We all want the republicans to win. We share that at least. Just watch the tone, that’s all. It sends a bad message to future candidates that think they may have something to offer, you never know, you might be one of them one day.
I also want to thank Jim Hoeft who took the opportunity to make sure we all had the opportunity to hear from each of the statewide candidates for office at the upcoming Convention.
From many of the comments on this site and many other blogs it hasn’t always been very positive about Patrick and for that reason I thank Jim.
Maybe some of you might be interested to see Patrick’s resume. This is just a snapshot as it is quite long.
Academic and Professional
Senior Associate IP Litigation Team-Duane Morris
Associate Representative to Executive Committee-Duane Morris
Virginia State Bar- Member
United States District Court of the Eastern District of Virginia-Member
United States Court of Appeals-Member
United States Patent and Trademark Bar-Member
Patent Holder-two United States Patents and one pending application
Phi Delta Phi International Legal Fraternity-Member
Ft. Belvoir Research Development & Engineering Center:
Project Engineer/Team Leader-Atlas, PLS programs (budgets>>1M annually)
Author-Global Range Transport-International Council of Aeronautical Science, San Diego, CA
AIAA/McDonnell Douglas Graduate Team Design National 1st Place-Team Leader
Sigma Gamma Tau-National Aerospace Honor Society
AIAA/General Dynamics undergraduate Team Design-Team Leader
Community and General Leadership
2008-Organized neighbors in Eggleston, VA in opposition to development of the McNeil Farm above the New River palisades
2004-2007 Daingerfield Island Sailing Club- Commodore:
Raised over $750,000 for Leukemia & lymphoma Society as Host club for the National Region Leukemia Cup Regatta
Founded the Alexandria Mayor’s Cup Regatta
Founded the National Park Service Cherry Blossom Cup Regatta
Led fight against Appalachian Power Company’s transmission line across the New River Valley
Marine Corps OCS-medically discharged
Marine Corps PLC
Army ROTC
Rochdale Cooperative House-President
Summer Camp Volunteer for Association of Retarded Citizens (ARC)
Holy Family Church-Lector
President-Giles Co. Interfaith Youth Group
Giles High School Student Government President
Giles High School Student Government Vice-President
Political
Ninth District Finance Chairman
2004-Alternate to the 2004 National Convention
Ninth District General Counsel
Republican Nominee for the 9th Congressional District of Virginia,
Allen, Gilmore, Earley, Kilgore, North, Keyes, Huffman, Goodlatte, Wampler, Griffin and Warner made campaign appearances in support of candidacy
Member Giles County Republican Committee
Jeff Stafford Congressional Campaign Volunteer 1984
Bill Wampler Congressional Campaign Volunteer 1982
Held Fundraisers for:
2008 Jim Gilmore for Senate
2008 Bob Marshall for Senate
2007 Crockett-Stark for Delegate
Contributed and distributed literature for Marriage Amendment
Giles County Coordinator va4marriage 2006
Contributed to numerous other campaigns
Education
Juris Doctorate-William and Mary School of Law
Master of Science-Mechanical Engineering, Catholic University of America
Bachelors of Science-Aerospace Engineering, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical Univ.
Business
Owner-Bittersweet Farm, Beef Cattle
Co-Owner-Palisades Restaurant, Giles County
“My campaign has a lot of momentum. People are coming out in droves.”
HA! It would be nice if he substantiated his assertions with some facts.
12 people at a campaign event isn’t droves?
I was at his attack-fest in Virginia Beach and 99% of the people who listened did nothing but be insulted by his tirade against Bolling. The 1% who patted him on the back were a couple Libertarians who have made losing elections an art form.
Steve, has it not occurred to you the reason why no one likes Muldoon, why most blogs that cover him do so negatively, and why your campaign has strengthened support for Bill Bolling is precisely because we have looked it up?
Your campaign’s numerous cheap shots, leaps of logic, unsupported conclusions about Bolling, and general asshattery has only accomplished taking a candidate who was a joke in his home county and making him a joke statewide.
Patrick Muldoon is a man of integrity and character. The facts that he has presented about Bolling’s campaign contributions from Barr labs are not made up, they are facts. This nonsense about Bolling stepping aside for the” good of the party” is demonstrating good leadership is laughable. When I think of good leadership, the words” stepping aside “do not come to mind. He stepped aside because he knows that he wouldn’t have gotten the nomination over Bob McDonnell. One comment calls Patrick a “slimy “candidate. While attending the shad planking in April I observed Mr. Bolling having a photo taken with one of his supporters. This gentleman had a Support Confederate Heritage sticker on his jacket. I watched Boling remove the sticker from this mans jacket, smile for the camera, and then put it back on. Bolling is on record as supporting Confederate History month. This is a clear example of hiding from his principles. If he hides his support for something as simple as Confederate History month, what will he hide from next? That’s slimy, standing up and taking action as Patrick has is not.
VA Blogger,
The fact of the matter is that if you had looked it up you would know it was true, so how you can say you did and still say it was false tells me you have not. Or, if you did maybe you didn’t go far enough.
To say Bolling is gaining strength is very interesting as well but maybe I’m wrong. We’ll see next week and maybe you will be right.
Kirwin,
Didn’t you work for Marty Williams campaign, if so, you know exactly how it feels to be defeated by a challenger as an incumbent. Didn’t see that one coming did you.
I am surprised at the vial attacks against Patrick Muldoon. It leads me to believe that the people who know Lt. Governor Bolling best and even Bolling himself are extremely insecure. If Muldoon is such a joke, why bother attacking him, unless it is to take the publics focus off of your candidates shortcomings. As far as Bolling leading by stepping aside strategy, well how is stepping aside a leadership quality? Bolling had 3 choices; Lead, follow, or get out of the way and he chose to get out of the way and follow. I seem to remember Ronald Reagan challenging the incumbent in 1976 and he too was attacked. At a time when our party is in desperate need of leadership how are we best served by electing a placeholder to this office?
Lee Talley,
I actually expect the tone that comes from you to be a little different than some of those on here that just want to bash things. Furthermore, if guys like McSweeney and Marshall are supporting Muldoon that should give all of you pause on this blog. Look what McSweeney has done for our party and the principles both Marshall and McSweeney stand for and what they have done.
For those of you who think you know more than the collective wisdom between those two, I’ll just say the two of them are the conservative leadership of Virginia, it ain’t Bob and Bill.
Steve, you want to make this personal about me?
Is that the Muldoon path to victory? Attack Republicans all over the place?
Muldoon stood in front of a Republican crowd in the largest city in Virginia and couldn’t find 10 seconds to tell anyone about himself, his platform, his record….ANYTHING.
All he did was attack other Republicans. I mention what he said, and you attack me.
I didn’t take money from a PAC that supported Hillary Clinton. PATRICK MULDOON DID.
I didn’t take money from a PAC that supported Joe Biden. PATRICK MULDOON DID.
I have no problem with Muldoon running. But I am a voting delegate and I have a BIG problem with Muldoon’s campaign being a big giant attack on Bill Bolling and expecting me to just vote for Muldoon by default. He’s told me NOTHING! He’s sent me NOTHING! I’ve heard his speech and he said NOTHING but how bad Bill Bolling is.
Sorry…attacking Republicans is not a great way to win over Republicans.
And comparing Muldoon to Ronald Reagan in 1976? Reagan had a resume and a track record of winning elections before 1976.
What’s Muldoon done?
Brian,
Far too much on this blog you and others have made it about others. I’m just responding to your comments and calling you on your statements. You have been very negative in your comments on the Muldoon campaign with statements that have indicated you have a problem with Patrick running.
I think we should be focusing on the issues so I’m glad to see you want that as well. You know campaigns and politics so you also should know you have to give people a reason to fire their current LG and replace him with someone else and what those reasons are. Patrick has done an excellent job in laying out the leadership crisis we face in our party and the LG’s office. Patrick has also done an excellent job in telling the voters and others what his vision is. Can you identify to me what Bill’s vision is? I wouldn’t know because I haven’t seen Bill Bolling on the campaign trail yet for the republican convention. I or others have not seen him at one mass meeting this year to speak to or meet the delegates to the convention. Other campaigns have made it abundantly clear they have not seen him as well.
And let’s be clear here Brian, it was explained to you in no uncertain terms that the PAC that gave money to Clinton and Biden also gave money to many of your republican friends as well but you chose to not disclose that once again in your post above so I do question your motives here Brian. You are a bright enough political guy to understand how PAC’s give money to both sides of the debate in politics. It’s quite a normal occurrence but you fail to recognize that in your attack on Patrick Muldoon.
Our party always thrives when we have contested battles from within. The problem McDonnell is going to have is from not having competition. It’s okay not to but we sure shouldn’t support eliminating it such as Bob and Bill tried to do with the 2009 Convention Call. Never should we allow candidates to choose the nomination process as it is always game to corruption in such cases.
By the way, I didn’t compare Reagan’s 76 campaign but I think it was a fantastic example and there is something to be gained from that analogy.
Steve,
I respect your principles and you have I have talked we are Republican’s cut from similar cloth. We agree on alot of things. However, you cannot wrap yourself, Muldoon, and Marshall – McSweeney in the cloak of principles and hope to hide from the responsibilities of your tactics. You can put a turd in a tiffany box but that doesnt make it a diamond. Principles taken for vanties sake when the actions of yourself and your compadres show that underneath the outward veneer of “True Conservative Principles” are the wants and ego of a todler not getting his way. Your a smart guy. What you did with Bob Marshall from a campaign standpoint was good work… right up until yourself and your consituents, if you will, did not follow through on the promise of all Republican’s and SUPPORT THE CANDIDATE. Steve, I put my hand out to you and say lets come together this year and work. Work for our candidates and take the Republican message that both you and I agree on and invigorate our party with it. Don’t belittle the very principles you uphold with the tactics and actions being a sore looser. I think you are better than that.
Patrick McSweeney is a huge hypocrite and hasn’t done anything positive for the party in years, if ever. His support for Muldoon makes Muldoon even more unelectable, if that’s even possible.
Furthermore Brian K., I have never met you so I would not make it personal about you or for that matter about any other person. I will however, defend my candidate or any other candidate for their right to run for office. I will defend Patrick’s campaign on the issues and for what he says. We will not allow the establishment rank and file try to silence our message that many other republicans share. We will work to share our message and spread it to as many other republicans as well and in the end people can accept or reject the message. That is the purpose of elections. No politician is entitled to any office and there should never be an annointing of any candidate during the election before it’s conclusion if it is challenged from within our party. What bothers me Brian is that you should appreciate this as much as anyone else, we all should as a free people that value our freedoms and liberty.
Steve,
The last thing in the world the Muldoon campaign should complain about is negativity.
Patrick hasn’t “done an excellent job in telling the voters and others what his vision is.” He left a roomful of people wondering who the heck he was.
And yes, PACs give money to both sides. Is that the kind of candidate Muldoon is? I thought he was campaigning on “principles” yet he takes money from people who play the game on both sides?
And Lee has a good point. Will you and Muldoon be out there on the stump holding hands with Bolling when he wins the nomination, offering your full support, and working hard to re-elect Bolling?
And yes, you did make it personal. You never met me, and I never met you. I have nothing against either of you. But you commented about me personally.
Guess what. You’re not getting my vote with that brilliant strategy.
I just tire at people who lob bombs at their own side all the time.
Steve,
I heard Patrick Muldoon say on this podcast he’d be a great teammate for McDonnell if he is elected Lt Governor. How is that going to work when you are running around saying stuff like this?
“I’ll just say the two of them are the conservative leadership of Virginia, it ain’t Bob and Bill.”
Who are you to attack two individuals who have done so much for the party and the cause? What has Patrick Muldoon EVER done for the party or the cause outside of his own runs at elected office? NOTHING! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
This is why I do not, and will not, support Patrick Muldoon. I really question why you are so set on destroying our party leaders. I hope he’s paying you well to make it worth all of the fallout that will happen because of this.
I have a story that pertains to the Barr labs attack.
My Grandfather was an Old Time, Fire and Brimstone, Pentecostal Preacher.
After Service one Sunday a Lady whose Husband didn’t go to Church approached Him, She said “My Husband won money in the lottery and wanted to pay tithes on it, But I didn’t know if He should because He won it gambling and it might be wrong”
My Grandfather replied “Hand that money over, The Devils had it long enough”
Kind of funny that Waters referenced Marty Williams in trying to get under Brian’s skin…It gets hilarious when you look at the other thread where Waters references the loss of the state senate as evidence for a change in leadership…
His cronies cause us to lose the state senate by beating Williams in the nomination and when his candidate gets crushed in November…This is supposed to make us want to nominate Patrick Muldoon?
Is that to make us want to put his candidate up for governor next time when Muldoon gets crushed by Wagner in November?
Look. McSweeny’s defending us against HB3202 was great. I really appreciate it. That said, I don’t approve at all of some of the other things he has done. Attacking Bolling causes confusion with fiscal conservatives that appreciate beating back HB3202, but see the many positives of Bolling. Other than HB3202, Bolling has definite credentials as a fiscal conservative. Bolling not being from Hampton Roads also gives him some leniency from me over his bad choice to support HB3202. NOVA had an authority already, at least arguements from constituencies outside Hampton Roads for making us pay in additional taxes rather than everyone, is wrong but understandable.
Brian K., Libertarians are fiscal conservatives. Many a Libertarian went to the VBTA meetings where Bill Bolling was speaking for YEARS. Despite being a Republican, the Tidewater Libertarian party has considered endorsing Bolling in the past and state LP be damned. If Muldoon is saying all the things he’s saying about failed leadership and fiscal idiocy, EVEN I would pat him on the back. Then I would tell him he’s shooting fiscal conservatives in the foot by trying to wound a fantastic conservative like Bill Bolling. If Muldoon had a real chance against Bolling, I would forgive the negative attacks as strategy against an entrenched opponent. Bolling is not beatable here and he is just a great conservative.
I admit, this not being a primary hurts guys like me that left the GOP in disgust. I would have loved to be able to support Bill Bolling by voting for him in an open primary. I guess I’m stuck with the Democrat primary and voicing my support of Bolling when possible. Ah well. I’m confident of a Bolling victory at least.
Britt,
You could be a delegate to the convention, if you had signed up. It is not closed off to libertarians.
Comments here made by me are made by me. Not anyone else or the Muldoon campaign. I think that is allowed if I’m not mistaken.
And last but not least, Brian K., are you telling me you didn’t comment about anyone personally like Muldoon or any other in your blog post. Okay!
You guys should understand that competition makes our party better and anyone has the right to run for office. We should encourage this.
You call it a negative campaign but if you take the time to look, it’s not negative when you point out contrast between two candidates and the last time I checked we didn’t call Bolling a liar and dishonest or even say that he doesn’t deserve your vote at the republican convention.
Some people need to lighten up on this. If we lose, we lose, that’s the way it goes. If we win, we win. That’s what happens in elections. Let people lay out there case and you decide. We aren’t the ones calling people losers and all sorts of other comments. Is this what the blogosphere is about…you tell me. I hope not because that takes away from the great media opportunity that blogs can create.
And for those of you who want to give McSweeney a hard time just remember that he was eating liberals for breakfast before most of you were born. Show some respect how about it!
McSweeney unfortunately has burned is legacy by his actions over the last few years. He’s still settling his score with the Party from when he was chairman… nothing more nothing less.
As for the lovely Britt. She would have to affirm her support of ALL candidates elected at the convention. Would you do the same Steve? Are you going to vote for Bolling and McDonnell? If Patrick Muldoon wins I will be the first volunteer you have to work for him. I will promise you that.
Patrick McSweeney is just settling is score? I must disagree with you. He has witnessed the sorry candidates that have been nominated over the last decade and has dedicated himself to fixing it. Look at the list.
Jerry Kilgore
Jim Gilmore
George Allen
John McCain
John Warner
Mark Earley
To Paraphrase John Dickenson, who said to John Adams, “whom should we forsake them for? For you?”
If we chose the right candidate to represent our conservative principles though a process of vigorous debate, then our party will be like a high speed train with people waiting to jump on. Heck, John Brownlee endorsed Bill Bolling for Governor in 2013 already. Is the candidate that has the audacity to run against Bill then going to be attacked as a slimy, nutcase?
Todd
McSweeney couldnt build enough support to change the oil in his car let alone change the party in any direction he would choose. Pat had his shot and he blew it… McSweeney sure loved George Allen when it suited him but when he couldnt leach off of the Govenor his true nature came through!
The way you mention several substantial Republicans in your diatribe are you a delegate to the convention and will you vote for the Republican ticket in the fall whoever comes out of the convention.
And yes I’ll say it right now. IF ANYONE things they will run against Bill Bolling in 2013 all I can say is bring it! Challenging Bill at this stage of the game would show how classless and pathetic a candidate is. I’m a Foster supporter but would stand shoulder to shoulder with John in supporting Bill Bolling. There is NO OTHER CHOICE for Governor in 13. You one issue libertarian man-boy loving pot heads need to realize that this is the Republican party. If you aren’t going to vote for the Republicans and support the Republicans then you need to go. You aren’t conservative about anything but abortion. You people have no right to claim Reagan or Goldwater of even Buckley as your intellectual muses. Get out! Begone! In the name of Reagan, Goldwater, and Buckley I cast you out. I compel you back to the Waffle House booth where the libertarian child molesting dope fiends meet.
Lee, for the record, I’m male. I know, my name lends itself to being short for Brittany. Brittany Spears ruined everything. There is even a female Britt Howard on Facebook. Cute, but not me.
Think Brit Humes of Fox news.
Lee, there you go again with the molester BS. Again, sigh…..what party was Mark Foley in? Republican Party! He sent emails to minor males. Sounds like man-boy to me, Lee. How about that Larry Craig guy playing footsie under the bathroom stall? Lee, your house is made of glass.
I’m libertarian and you don’t want me to support Bolling? Too bad. You have no say in the manner despite your play at excorcism. Entertaining though, I admit. I’m not a pot head either. Pot makes you too lazy to bother preserving the Constitution or responding to your crazy postings here on BD. Pot and its affect on memory might cause you to forget which elected official to hold accountable.
Steve, Lee is right about one thing. I refuse to be an oath breaker just to be a party member or vote at a convention. Bolling and all the AG candidates I plan to vote for(prefer Cuccinelli) in the general, but I’m undecided on Governor. It greatly depends on who the Dem is. If you need an expalination for my unhappiness with McDonnell, I’d gladly share it.
I claim Reagan and Goldwater as foundations to my political philosphy especially along the lines of fiscal conservatism. Brilliant men. Yes, even William Buckly made some great points. I rebuke Lee’s rebuke and claim them anyway.
Lee, I’m not saying I won’t ever eat at Waffle House, but its not my first choice. The omelletes are ok. IHOP is better. Not really a big fan of those places. Breakfast is best served at home.
Well fine I rebuke your rebuke and rebuke your denial of the power of the smothered, covered, dashed, etc… etc.. hash browns. If you can’t enjoy good hash browns like that then there truly is no hope for you.
Now I didn’t say I didn’t want you to support Bolling what I want is people who claim to be Republicans but will not support the chosen candidate to get out. You’ve been honest about your so-called party. But realize America is a two party system. Put down whatever it is that messed you up to the point of being libertarian and join the grown-folks in being a Republican.
PS: Sorry I didn’t think about the Brit Hume thing but dude if you can’t get with the hash browns thats just not a very manly thing…
PPS: Hey now we all know ol Larry just had a wide stance. Don’t be jealous. As for Mark. hey one man does not make the endorsement of a whole group.
Lee,
I wanted to comment on some of the more comical statements you made in your commets about me.
1. Yes , I am a delegate and intend to cast my vote for Ken Cuccinelli and Patrick Muldoon. I hope both of my candidates win so I can support them in the general. If they dont, I wil support the nominees of the party.
2. Calling me a man loving pot head liberterian??? I am a registered Republician and always have been.After serving in the US Marines for 13 years and pulling tours in the Persian Gulf and Somalia in the 1990 ‘s defending your dumb ass is something I take particurlar offense to. Yes , I will be at the convention, I will be sitting with the Powhatan County delegation, please come find me so I can knock a tooth out of your mouth for calling me a child molesting dope head. I will be there early.
3. Blindly supporting Bolling in 2013 for Gov???? It wont matter as im sure the Pillsbury Dough Boy will display another leadership trait and step aside again to allow AG Cuccinelli to jump him and run…
4. McSweeney should have run for Gov this year, he would have smoked GUN BAN BOB! The debates would have been hilarious as the perminent constitutional authority in the state ran circles around Bob.
So Lee, I am looking forward to seeing you next week,, although you wont seek me out, as you are a lemming.
Todd Todd Todd…
1. You don’t even know the rules here in Virginia. You aren’t a registered anything. We don’t have registration by Party in Virginia. Also, will you or will you not support the nominees of the party once we leave the convention?
2. I am no lemming. Lemmings follow old fools like McSweeney. I’ve supported Bill Bolling from the beginning. You have every right to vote for who you like but we both have every right to speak out as to why that vote is wrong. Freedom of speech ya know. Funny thing I never directed my attack on Libertarians to you or even mentioned you in that post yet you took such offense. If you really are a Republican then obviously I wasn’t talking to you. Dude pick a party! Its really a simple decision. Republican = win! Libertarian = WACK JOB!!!!
3. I appreciate your service to our country. Thank you and God Bless you for it.
Too funny. Gotta get them dope smokin libertarians out of the party. Better tell McD he has to go. His close association with the boys from AFP surely indicates he has man-boy tendencies. After all, the chairman of AFP is a former Libertarian Party vice-presidential candidate. Then again maybe it’s not luv they are after.
Lee,
Take at look at what you posted, you addressed that comment directly to me and once you went on to your man love, child molesting, dope smoking comments it wasent directed towards anyone else.
I am all for free speech, for example burning the flag is perfectly acceptable to some and there shouldent be a law against it, but if one chooses to burn the flag, the also must be prepared to deal with the consequences. If one chooses to run their mouth on the internet, he must also be preparred to deal with the consequences.
I assume you have never had the experience of lisening to the common sense that Pat McSweeny makes when he speaks about the Constitution and restoring the founders and framers vision? You should come next Friday May 29th to the Restore BBQ at the Museum of Science . http://www.rtfv.net for details, and listen to him speak before you judge him. Im sure you will be at the ” RPV Gala” listening to Mitt Romney, the Massachusetts Liberal, speak with the rest of the lemmings
I hope to see you at the convention if your Mom will let you borrow her car! I am sure you are a ” McLOVIN” looking guy!
Lee,
I will say this about Bolling and all of you who have made a love fest over Bill and his putting aside his own political ambitions for the good of the party business…Bill’s justification for not running for Governor was his Insurance business. Interestingly, it takes about the same amount of time and energy to run for Governor as it does LG, so you want to tell me Bill would rather be an Insurance Agent rather than Governor of Virginia in 2009. That’s makes you wonder doesn’t it. You see I don’t like these back room deals they make on who runs for what because you and I AREN’T IN THE ROOM!!!
The one thing that I think hysterical is now wanting to make Bill the presumptive nominee in 2013 and we haven’t even elected a Governor for 2009. And to say you have to get your name first on the list is absurd. That’s what it is coming down to in our party. Unless this is setting Bill up to be the Bob Dole of Virginia politics.
You guys are making it almost impossible for their to be any competition in our party. To be honest, I don’t know why anyone would want to the way ya’ll treat em’ anyway. And so I guess people shouldn’t vote for Cuccinelli because he might want to run for Governor in four years, that’s really a smart thing to do.
Stay away from calling Marines pot-smokin’, man-boys though. i don’t think that is a good thing to do. Especially to a guy that served for 13 years. They get kind of hard core in that branch of the service and God Bless them for it!!!
I wasnt calling anyone but the friggen libertarians if you read the post… if you are a Republican then I wasnt talking to you.
So Todd… Steve and whatever… Its not my party but thats what gets lumped together with Libertarians… So again if YOU are a Republican that was not meant for you… otherwise.. Mess with crap and it gets on ya!
Now Steve you talk about deals being made without you and I in the room. Come on you can’t be so naive! There is always competition in Politics. Its just not always out there in the public say at a convention vote. If you can’t figure that out then I can see why you haven’t won a race yet. You know I will say this Del Marshall carried my autism legislation this year and Im grateful for it but you guys just dropped the ball. Bob should have held his nose and come out and played ball and supported Gilmore. If Bob could just check his ego for 5 minutes and not always blow hot all the time and be a. God forbid, a politician. He could get a real shot at the prize (Governor or Senator) .Thats my real problem with the whole lot of you. You had the it within your grasp and you got personal, let everyones egos go nuts, and fumbled. You need to think LONG TERM. Running Patrick Muldoon might feel good and might just be even be the “right thing” as challenging the status quo but strategically and tactically it was just a further shovel scoop in digging the political grave of yourself and Bob Marshall. All I see over the past year for yourself and your friends is lost opportunity.
And Steve, you know as well as I do Bill Bolling making the sacrifice in the pure political sense of it (never mind his family reasons) is perhaps some of the most brilliant strategy we’ve seen in this state in many a year. Take notes… that is long term thinking….
Steve, so you’ve launched this crusade because you want to be in a room? It’s about you?
Thanks for mentioning the Libertarians so many times guys!
If any libertarians want to take Lee Tally’s suggestion and quit the RPV and you live in the Hampton Roads/Tidewater area, do join us. We will welcome you rather than insult you. Tidewater Libertarian and Peninsula Libertarian contact info can be found at TidewaterLP.c om
If you choose to remain in the RPV and work from the inside to make the RPV more conservative, that is also welcomed.
One thing you won’t find is any Libertarians to vote for. See, they have breakfasts and meetings, but why they call themselves a Party I’ll never know. I see one on the ballot somewhere in Virginia every couple of years or so.
Libertarians are trumped by write-ins in electoral activism.
You can’t be a member of two parties…
Its one of the other… if thats true where are the Democrat Republicans…
America is a two party system and a two party country. Anything else is just wrong and deviant behavior!
Democrat Republicans? You mean RINOs?
Wrong and deviant behavior? Lol. That’s funny, I don’t feel dirty.
Brian K.,
Now just last week I was trying to be nice to you and reach out in unity and there you go again. We all should want our voice heard as a whole, not elitist and politicians making deals that benefit them.
Besides Brian, I’m not an inside guy, you should have probably figured that one out by me helping Marshall and Muldoon.
Steve
Lee,
I really think alot of you but I think you need one of those coffee enemas to wake you butt up pal!
You see, it is not a Marshall, McSweeney or any other personality thing. it is about a movement, principles that we cherish. The republican party, when it has its act together, benefits greatly from the support of people such as us. Let the republican party try and win without the pro-lifers, pro-gun, pro-family crowd, it won’t happen.
But on that, you got republicans running for office shedding these principles or compromising them at the first sign of trouble. Maybe they do that because they truly don’t believe in them in the first place. Maybe they have become so full of themselves and the power and ego that surrounds them that the principles aren’t as important as their status. I don’t know for a fact but I do see a party in search of it’s soul and in this crossroads they can succeed or fail. We can’t be everything to everybody, recent history has demonstrated this. Let’s not be so hungry for a victory that we lose soul of our party.
Steve, I asked a question. Do questions bother you that much?
You may feel some passionate need to be heard. I don’t. If someone listens to what I have to say and proceeds to ignore it, I’m not thrilled and satisfied because I was heard.
I have my opinion. Others have theirs. If they disagree with me, I respect them for being unafraid to be wrong. But if I don’t accomplish my solution, or something relatively palatable that’s close to it, being heard doesn’t quite make my day.
Muldoon is just an easy target. He bashes Republicans and talks about principles, yet he takes thousands from a PAC that supports candidates like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, who completely oppose the principles he says he’s campaigning on.
He gives speech after speech bashing Bolling without giving me, the voter, a single thought about why he’s better, and why this shouldn’t be the next in a long list of consecutive Muldoon losses.
If you and Muldoon hit the stage Saturday and ask the convention to declare Bolling the winner by acclimation and campaign with Bolling throughout the fall, I’ll publicly on this blog say I was wrong about this.
Until then, it looks like a bunch of party bashers more interested in themselves than the issues we’re fighting for.
Steve
Again I actually agree with you on the principle part of the equation I just think tactically and strategically the philosophical, as you call them, contingent of our party just plain sucks! Go back and read how Regan and Goldwater got it done. See Steve in politics if you don’t win then you don’t govern. Maybe you feel its good to die on the battlefield. Perhaps in your bloodline there is some great hero who died with honor at Gettysburg at Picket’s Charge. On the other hand, I believe like Patton, It is my job to make the other dumb son-of-a-bitch die (well in this case lose) for his country (or party).
Now I must say I am disturbed that you thought of me and coffee enema’s in the same thought… maybe you been working too hard to get Patrick the Log Cabin Republican support.
Again I am not arguing over philosophy here but tactics. I would have thought McSweeney or even yourself better at that.
No one agrees with party 100% of the time but to use a quote from West Wing of all things
“Grown folks change the system from the inside.” Thats why you can’t win its not about me. its not about Mike Thomas or Mike Wade or Tucker Watkins or any district chairperson or party official or Eric Cantor or Bill Bolling or Bob McDonnell. Ego has never entered into the equation and it never will. However the same cannot be said of the Pat McSweeney’s, Bob Marshall’s, and even your actions in running Patrick Muldoon.
Now Steve, Do you really want to bring back the message of Goldwater and Regan a message that wasnt looking to the past but to the FUTURE of out country and growing what our forefathers believed and bringing that opportunity for everyone from the unborn to kids with Autism, to families, to people who still believe in America? Do you really?
Deep down I think you do work with me and lets really make change not by separating us and classifying us like some naturalist on safari but use that message to UNITE us.
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