Friction over Frederick continues amongst RPV factions
By JR Hoeft | Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 | PoliticsWith a little less than 10 days left before the Saturday, Apr. 4 showdown at RPV between members of the State Central Committee and Chairman Jeff Frederick, both groups of supporters – those favoring Frederick’s removal and those not – are turning up the heat.
Frederick supporters have been engaging social media networks, including the “non-affiliated” RPV Network (which banned a “remove Frederick” group), trying to gain “polite” demonstrators to attend the McDonnell for Governor kick-off rallies this Saturday.
“It would be really nice if y’all could make a point of going to [the rallies] and urging [McDonnell] to unite the party and do everything he can to end the effort to remove Jeff,” wrote Willie Deutsch, the activist spearheading the effort. “BE POLITE, CIVIL, AND RESPECTFUL. If you are rude it will only hurt our effort.”
Not to be outdone, those seeking Frederick’s ouster have just released another salvo aimed at questioning Frederick’s financial ethics.
On page 37 of the February FEC Form reporting receipts and disbursements, Chairman Frederick receives more than $1500 as reimbursement for mileage and expenses – during the General Assembly session. Sources close to the “remove Frederick” campaign are claiming that this level of reimbursement is 3- to 4-times the amount the political directors are reimbursed monthly for their expenses.
This next week is sure to get interesting.
Tags:
Contribute for Conservatism!
Share this post
About the author
Conservative to the core; liberal with his opinion! J.R. has been involved in politics for over a decade and has worked on several campaigns in Hampton Roads. He has served on the Executive Committee of the Republican Party of Chesapeake and the Central Committee of the Republican Party of Virginia. He is also the director of “Blogs United” in Virginia. E-mail J.R.. Follow J.R. on Twitter.
Comments
31 Responses to "Friction over Frederick continues amongst RPV factions"
If the Feb report is an issue, then it needs to be on the list of accusations against Jeff.
Otherwise, the procedure in The Party Plan is just a sham – with no sense of fair play or tthe concept of the Rule of Law.
Leaking it out today is indicative of the political nature of the lynch mob. If it were about justice – the issues would all be upfront to the Party members and they would decide according.
Convict or acquit Jeff Frederick on the accusations – and hold your head up or smear with innuendo and enjoy the political lynching.
Good lord what would we do without J.A.B.?
I guess every group needs one holier-than-thou member.
Frederick is done. Dishonesty and simple greed like his demands a public removal with extreme prejudice. You’re not a modern-day Diogenes, Jim–and there are honest people on the SCC working to do what’s right to correct the intolerable situation at RPV.
Indeed, what would we do without anonymous commentators? A small cabal shopping charges? Secret meetings? Leaked innuendo? A political campaign for what should be administrative justice?
The super honest folks in the lynch party should take off their hoods and come on out in the open. The sunshine is fine. Disinfects everything. Brings out the truth – which will out. Diogenes didn’t need to look for truth, it will come out – always does – sooner or later.
Wait a second.
Did you really just call State Central Klansmen?
Nice.
Jim
At the end of the day Jeff has proven himself untrustworthy. His campaign has shown himself to be dishonorable. Go back to his campaign… He ran on not giving paid work to family members of staff. Very open, Very honorable. And Immediately upon election he broke that campaign promise as fast if not faster that Mark Warner or Tim Kaine would break one of theirs. Jim you are someone I truly respect and for the life of me I can’t see why you defend Jeff Frederick. His words were lofty and high but his actions and the patterns of actions in his life have shown him to be dishonorable, untrustworthy, and a fraud. Take the internal politics factions out of it. His entire political life he has worked the system, gamed the process and skirted the edge to get where he is today. Jeff actively burned his own CR unit down at Emory College to get “Revenge” because he felt slighted by his states CRs and now he’s doing it our own Republican Party of Virginia. He’s there in his bunker watching as our party burns down because of his own vanity. Now he aides and abets people who would seek to ruin Bob McDonnell’s campaign for Governor. Jim. How many people will suffer if this man destroys our party just to “WIN”. Do you want to see Moran or TMac in the Governor’s mansion. How many families will be broken due to the growth of the welfare state in Virginia due to Jeff Frederick’s actions. How much free and clear access to Abortion will happen under Moran’s or TMac’s watch… if we have a weak party and Bob McDonnell and Bill Bolling ( THE ONLY 100% PRO LIFE TEAM RUNNING) loose because of Jeff Frederick’s actions that weaken our party. Do you REALLY want to be a part of that. Can your soul carry the lives of those families and those children who are lost due to the selfish actions of one man. Are you just being a Good German there Jim.? Don’t be a GOOD GERMAN! Be the man of character I know you to be. Don’t put the fate of so many to a dishonorable, dishonest man. You and I may not see eye to eye on this but all I say is hold up Jeff’s actions to what the scriptures say. Don’t judge him by my words or anyone else’s but judge his actions to God’s word and then do what your conscience allows.
And remember Jim and all you Frederick supporters. I’ve always posted in my name and I always will.
Comparing Frederick opposition to Klansman is absolutely ridiculous. If this is the best defense Frederick supporters have its going to be a very short “trial”
Lee: Focus on just what Jeff is accused of doing. That is what matters if we have a good, fair procedure. Otherwise our adherence to organization and respect for the rule of law is bunk.
The money sent to a company for work for 91 days – during the interim before another company could start – was reported to the Excom. They accepted the report. They did NOTHING. it was no big deal then, but a hanging offense almost a year later.
I don’t follow the German accusation. But, I remind you, as I did my friend Mike Wade, that the first person to call the other “Nazi” is losing the argument.
Lee, my arguments are simple. I haven’t defended Jeff for pissing people off. Or any other dumb mistake.
I’m looking at the accusations = not worth firring. I’m looking at the process = not good.
Jeff isn’t screwing up the election of 09. The hooded, hidden accusers started a fight that wasn’t needed – and, no matter, what happens on April 4th will be destructive in Nov. Just like HB 3202.
If you have the votes, then don’t worry about what I write. Best always, friend.
Seriously, James makes some good points. Much of the Frederick attackers on this blog use made up names. They don’t place the value of their convictions with actual names.
They throw barbs from the shadows. They’re backstabbing assassins gutting the name of Frederick as they keep their own name safe in cowardly hiding.
Hey, I disagree with Lee Tally completely but, I respect the fact that Lee is willing to lead with a real name.
I hear continually changeing accusations. Sometimes he has been called a thief. Sometimes people use the word larceny in connection to Jeff Frederick’s name. They blame all the election losses on Frederick and ignore all the losses before he took the chair. They blame recent losses and fund raising difficulties on him yet, ignore the giant hole the RPV had dug for themselves before his “reign of terror”. Fund raising success goes to those percieved to be likely winners. With all the losses before Frederick and a current horrific economy, you expect great fund raising success??????
Hearing new charges doesn’t surprise me. Throwing the “kitchen sink” at Jeff Frederick and taking advantage of the general public not hearing refutations that will be heard in some of the blogs, has done real damage and probably brought along some of our elected officials that should really know better.
I hear all this BS about Frederick making this public instead of the SCC. Really, you wouldn’t have gotten all the names asking for his resignation without this big public campaign. Truly, I would not be surprised to learn that the originators of the festival of self-destruction hired a PR firm to help guide the whole campaign.
Lastly, I’m not surprised to see ad hominem attacks tossed at James Bowden. Lacking real arguements, it is just easier to attack him personally. If you really believe that Frederick is a fraud and is dishonest, argue your point. Calling a third party names doesn’t convince anyone.
Britt:
Names like ‘backstabbing assassins’? ‘Cowardly’? Repeatedly comparing SCC to the KKK?
Oh yeah, that would be you and JAB.
Oh and by the way, could we just once get you or JAB to say whether Frederick lied about whether he would become a vendor to RPV?
That would be great since you’re both so big on arguing facts.
Roboto: I am an elected member of SCC. I didn’t call the SCC, and myself, the Klan. My yes means yes and no means no.
:Let’s say a guy left his car at your house and you agreed not to use it. Your wife is in a wreck. You drive the car to the hospital. Later, you tell your friend and he says “no prob.
So, did you lie? How many angels dance on the head of pin?
Should Jeff have alerted the Excom about his contingency , his make it happen decision, asap? Yes. Then, they listened to his explanation – and did nothing. NOTHING. Then, you or any other anonymous critic can call it a lie, but the responsible persons called it – NOTHING, until some of them wanted to lynch him.
Jim, since you seem confused about what you’ve said, I’ll just quote you from above:
“The super honest folks in the lynch party should take off their hoods and come on out in the open.”
“The hooded, hidden accusers started a fight that wasn’t needed(..)”
Call me crazy, but when most folks hear about hoods and lynching, the clear comparison is to the Ku Klux Klan.
And please–give the friend’s car story a rest.
Are you really going to suggest that in IT-heavy Virginia there was NO other firm that could have handled RPV’s website on a moment’s notice?
Get real.
Hoods hide the face, like your nom de blog – Roboto. Why do you call me, Jim? Have we met?
Hoods are a metaphor for the hidden nature of the political campaign for the polical lynching – another metaphor.
I like my parable about the car. It fits. Far better than a cheap, non-contextual, “Bush lied, kids died” kind of BS innuendo. It’s closer to what really happened.
I haven’t defended Jeff’s decision and communications with the Excom. But, clearly, if he lied, cheated or stole – the honorable folks of he Excom would have called him on the spot. Immediately.
But, gee, they didn’t. And when it was reported to them, they did NOTHING. No harm, no foul.
Your wrong-headed way of thinking is really bizarre, Jim. It’s like you’ve set logic aside and are just determined to defend some non-reality-based “process” to the bitter end. Which here in the real world has absolutely nothing to do with the simple matter of deposing an unethical chairman.
It’s okay to lie, cheat and steal (according to you) as long as no one calls you on it? Or is it the timeliness of being called on it? Is this like a tree falling in the woods with no one around to hear it? Is there some statute of limitations on acts for which the SCC can remove a chairman?
What you and some others just won’t see is that opportunists and scammers like Frederick really just regard you deep down as useful idiots. They’ll continue doing as they damn well please, knowing somewhere, somebody in the party will find or manufacture a way to make it about something other than the illicit acts in question.
That we’re even having this drawn out battle is just one reason Mr. Ego Jeff Frederick needs to go – for the good of the party. This is no longer (and really never was) about conservative vs. moderate, it’s about responsible respectable leadership. We don’t have it now and need it ASAP. Conservative leadership is fine and what I want to see, but it must be of the utmost ethics and morality. Frederick simply doesn’t pass that test for me, or many many others. Time to relieve him of his “command”.
Roboto: BTW, I like that song. Obviously, we are talking past each other.
I believe in the Rule of Law. I was an Army officer on a court-martial of a soldier caught in a controlled drug buy bust in Germany in the 80s. I hate drugs – and I hate few things in life. Very, very few. I’ve seen what drugs do to people. And the Army. I hate them.
The prosecution had to prove 3 points of law in the Code of Military Justice. They just had to say it happened. 1, 2, 3. But, they didn’t.
We (Officers and senior NCOs) on the jury sent a question back to the judge – hint, hint – when the prosecution didn’t close the deal.
Then, the prosecution failed to do it. We found the kid, who was guilty as hell, innnocent. Its all about the Rule of Law. Not men. Not power. Not what you can do, but what you should do.
Now, take that story as an analogy for L’affaire Frederick.
The process of firing Jeff is more important than Jeff. The impeachment process was more important than Bill.
The Roman Republic ended and dictatorship began when men said the rule of law wasn’t what it read in Latin, but what men said it meant. Call that judgement of wrong headed if you like. History and the weight of all evidence lies to my side – these arguments I make.
There is a process for redress in the organization – and the Excom either didn’t find fault or failed to use it. According to Roberts Rules, if you don’t object at the time, then its done. Over.
If you would like to throw out Roberts Rules of Order and The Party Plan and go the Dem model of governance – making it up as we go along with situational ethics – then, by all means, make those arguments.
If Jeff is unethical, then so state – as per The Party Plan – and let him defend himself and vote. Knock off the political campaign. The secret meetings. The hidden accusations – I was refused seeing them.
Virginia expects better. This isn’t NJ or NY or MA. It’s Virginia. Act like it.
Roboto, I like how you take everything that James Bowden said, out of context.
So, when I point out that people that don’t use their real names are cowardly and lack conviction that equals an adhomineim? To me, it is stating something self-evident. You don’t use your name and hide in your anonymity. Pointing out the obvious! The emperor wears no clothes……
It isn’t like I can do damage to your name……..you don’t have one here.
Jim,
Here’s the thing. Jeff lied to executive committee and Jeff lied to the voters at the convention.
Also, Where is this hidden group… Paranoia is a symptom of guilt. The Executive Committee, The SCC, The Congressmen, The Delegates, and the Sate Senators all signed their names. I’ve put my name out there. There is no hidden cabal and if the charges should have be made public can you tell me why Jeff didn’t make those charges public himself. Its not like he didn’t have a copy of them. Though he ran and hid from Mike Thomas. If he’s innocent then why not call out the charges immediately. Why not meet with Mike directly and not hide.
And Jim you did call us a hooded lynch mob (a Klan reference) so I do believe you went first.
You talk about rule of law and fair play… but Jim the law is only as right as the man who wrote it. There are higher laws of integrity and honesty that have been broken here. Right and Wrong existed way before the RPV Party Plan. I’ve studied Jeff pretty good… I’ve watched his actions. Again his past tendencies are to skirt the letter of the law while yet even violating the intent of the same law. What does that say about a man who obeys the law with his lips but not his heart?
Lee,
The hidden group is the timeline and who-shot-john of who started the cabal to lynch Jeff. That is the real process of removal working here. The meeting called under The Party Plan is just the means to the ends. It is the convenience of some accusations made, when Jeff will be judged byh others – just as you throw additional sticks on the fire (that is a metaphor for a burning. Now did I say this is an auto da fe like the Inquisition or good old fashioned witch burning?) When did they draw up the list? Who edited? When did they shop it around?
A District chair says he was approached in Nov. He had secret meetings through Feb with a few.
A few folks, like you, are out front. But the whole deal isn’t. And the timeline isn’t.
Because it will show there is no crisis. Never was. But a few folks shopped the charges and worked a political campaign.
Who replaces Jeff? I was told a male and female are being considered. By whom? Why is this so secret? Etc. etc.
Finally, Lee – an old joke: Just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean you don’t have enemies – and they are out to get you!
Metaphors are metaphors. Jeff is subject to a political lynching. Anonymous critics hide their names the way hoods hide the face.
Lee, you said you found out about this all in March when the Richmond Time released all the info. Is that correct? Aren’t you a 2 CD member of SCC?
Jim
I’m a 3rd congressional district member and not on scc.
You talk about secret meetings please you were the first congressional district chairman you had meeting that non excom members could not attend. In your time as district chairman did you not have discussions that were private amongst your fellow chaimen. So what is the difference?
Dear JAB(erwokie):
Run for Chairman! You have ethics. You have leadership experience. You know how to fight–you were trained to fight in aysemmetrial wars. Your innate predictive abilities, when combined with knowing how to fight on multiple layers, could do much for strategic vision of the Conservative movement within the RPV. Additionally, your adherence to principals and your devotion to conservatisim makes you an ideal spokesman for the movement.
I’ve been saying I would support JAB for Chairman for some time, but his continued allegiance to Lil’ Napoleon has me wondering about him. JAB – the guy’s a fraud! He’s done absolutely nothing to help others get elected, and at this time continues to drag this mess on for his own vanity. I could care less who started the movement to get rid of him, whoever did so deserves a hearty round of applause from all Republicans in this great state.
Lee: An Excom meeting – Poquoson, 1 CD or RPV – is governed by the Party Plan at that level. It includes the Chairman.
A cabal meeting would exclude the Chairman, only involve a couple of members, and be held in secret.
Those are the differences.
CM: Funny name as far as name-calling goes. I’m not the issue.
LI: I’m stil not the issue. I haven’t defended Jeff’s errors. I don’t think those that are listed as accusations are hanging offenses. You can call that defending if you like.
Well since you are quoting the party plan Jim I do believe it allows for an executive committee meeting without the chairman. Hey if he knows about meetings and dont show now who’s fault is that?
And I do believe if the district chairmen decided to talk amongst themselves wouldnt they be exercising their right to free assembly. So are you saying people following the rule of law (The Constitution) are wrong just because their topic might be what a miserable failure Jeff is as a chairman.
You have lots of qualities I’d like in a chairman… even this independant subborn streak you show. Can you fundraise? Jeff can’t get his mommy to send him birthday money let alone bring in the big donors.
Lee: Jeff/RPV raised over a million in his first 7 months.
We are quibbling on words. You know the difference between an official meeting and a secret, selective meeting. Everyone does.
Jim, the $1 million-dollar figure is not true.
Talk to Jeff’s former Finance Chair or others in the know if you don’t believe me.
Keep up the kookery.
[...] comment came via a personal e-mail I sent to Jim Bowden regarding his comparison of Frederick opponents to a lynch mob, their supposed anonymity being comparable to white hoods… Indeed, what would we do without [...]
Jim,
Jeff had nothing to do with those funds. Look at where they were directed from.
It is quite interesting to watch you guys try to seduce James to the “Dark Side” as you refer to his “kookery”. Heaven forbid that someone would be an independent thinker.
James! Submit! Give yourself to the “Dark Side” and disavow your stubborn streak of independence.
[...] might be seeking a deal with Frederick here, provides the status of the latest back and forth (here) (Missed this so I added it when I found it.), and that silly parody of a trial here. I wonder if [...]
Leave your response
The comments section is for meaningful discussion. Readers are reminded to post comments that are germane to the article and write in a common language that steers clear of personal attacks and/or vulgarities.
Please take a moment to review our comment policy.