RPV Chairman Reactions
By E M Barner | Sunday, March 15th, 2009 | PoliticsAnd in the RPV Chairman’s challenge saga, BD is reporting yet another chapter. Apparently, GOP units are weighing in. Alexandria, which reportedly supported Hager in last year’s chairman’s race, has called for his removal. Prince William, Frederick’s home unit, has voted unanimously in support of his chairmanship.
And, while Loudoun hasn’t weighed in officially, the Chairman received a VERY warm welcome there, at the AG debate on Tuesday. (h/t VA Social Conservative)
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E M Barner, the blogger formerly known as DCH / De Civitate Hominis (“concerning the city of man”), writes from a Northern Virginia perspective. Barner has been active in Republican politics and policy since 1994 – as a grassroots volunteer, party leader, and professional.
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I happened to be at two of these three events…
At the AG debate, the cheering for Jeff wasn’t universal, but there was definitely a substantial portion who seemed to want to make a point by being extra loud.
At Alexandria, what struck me was the way the resolution was rammed through a meeting populated by people who mostly didn’t know what was going on. Maybe six people were driving the resolution. Several people didn’t even know who Jeff Frederick was. Most had no information about what kind of job he was doing. The argument presented was: SCC knows what’s best, so just trust us and vote the way we say. And they did.
The Prince William resolution wasn’t unanimous, I counted at least 5 votes against, The against voters didn’t scream out their vote like the yea voters and they also didn’t have their hands up for very long.
Jeff was standing in the back and I think some felt intimidated.
There were 70 people at the Loudoun AG Debate. Many who showed were there in support of Cuccenelli. Those who’d use this as an endorsement for Frederick are fools.
The local committee is on the way to 300 in membership, and a better part of those will never pass any resolution in support of Frederick. Many who came to support the Cuccenelli team at that debate aren’t even on committee at this point. I haven’t seen them since the elections of 2007, in many cases.
As a part of the team who fought hard for McCain, I’d have appreciated their input quite a bit more if I’d had occasion to witness them pushing the stone up the hill beside me in the Presidential Election. As they were suspiciously absent at that point, I don’t care what they think is best for the Party. They were anti-McCain activist in my book.
The Bulletproof Monk,
That makes the point that people like Cuccinelli have been trying to make. We need a grassroots campaign. The Davis political machine in NOVA pushed McCain during the Virginia primary. Perhaps that hill would not have been as steep if we had nominated someone like Mike Huckabee.
Cultural conservatives are an important part of the party, and the Republican party was founded as a culturally conservative party. The reason many cultural conservatives are not behind ousting Frederick is because they are concerned that the same moderates that are throwing insults like “nutcase” and “extremist” at them will install a chairman with that same line of thinking.
Give me a break Steve, this is why so many people don’t trust self-professed “Christian” “conservatives” – the ends justify the means to some of these people and they will ignore wrongdoing and incompetence as long as their “leader” spouts off the right words and catch phrases. It doesn’t really matter if they truly are moral and ethical consevatives, does it?
There are a lot of Christian conservatives that voted for Frederick that want him to go. This is not a moderate v. conservative fight, its about integrity and Frederick does not have any.
Loudon Insider,
I actually believe that Frederick should step down due to the statement that he made about Colin Powell being a “coward” last year. I also realize that when people like you spout off insults like “wingnut” and “religious extremist” you are damaging the party.
There are other cultural conservatives including Shaun Kenney and PWConservative, who agree that Frederick should step down. Stop adding fuel to the fire, help us elect a conservative chairman with good management skills, and make sure that your moderate allies do not launch a coup if and when Frederick is gone.
Mr. Osborne, I’m not given to definitions of conservatives. Cultural or moderate. I, like Reagan, believe that there’s enough room under the tent for all of us, and Lord knows, I need the help when it comes time to pass the to-do list around in the local committees.
Unfortunately, those who spew the RINO rhetoric, and pushed the RINO-hunting adventures in our recent past were directed to do so by someone who’s the sole fellow standing beside Mr. Frederick right now.
I say to that man…you reap what you sow. People will remember when they’re targeted for removal from a local committee. People will remember the “puritan” stands and attempted disqualifications.
And later, they’ll remember those who did these things to them as “nutjobs and whackjobs”.
Mr. Osborne, If you haven’t been on the receiving end of an attempted obstruction….count yourself blessed.
There’s nothing moderate about me. But I want to win elections. Not be so “pure” that we’re constantly outside looking in. Be realistic, that’s all I ask.
The Bullet Proof Monk, so you’re saying this whole thing is just a war between those called RINOs and Puritanical Republicans?
That is what overthrow attempt is about? Is that what you mean about reaping what you sow? This is all about payback?
Britt, you’re off the deep end. This isn’t about “payback” – get over your persecution complex. It’s about getting rid of an unworthy ethically bankrupt charlatan conservative running RPV into the public toilet of opinion.
Well that’s your interpretation Loudoun. Hey, I was just reading what he wrote. I was asking about his perception based on what he wrote.
If you thought I was talking about anyone else’s perception but his, then maybe you have the persecution complex.
I’m hearing all kinds of stories. That was one about RINO revenge, you say Freerick is ethically bankrupt and ruining the RPV, others say he’s criminal. You anti-Frederick people are really all over the place.
“The Bullet Proof Monk, so you’re saying this whole thing is just a war between those called RINOs and Puritanical Republicans? ”
Britt, in reality this is a defiance by about 200 people against the rest of the State Republicans.
Still further into unfortunate circumstances, this is the same 200 folks who think the direction to go in purple Va. is to the far right of the field, in spite of what common sense indicates.
The Republican Creed, shown to anyone on the street, does not turn them away, is not offensive, and short of an extreme liberal mindset, cannot be argued with. We can win elections using that particular tool.
But when we introduce racism, hatred , and holier-than-you into that package…well, it turns your average voter off, and they do what you asked them to do. They pull the “other lever”.
And then we sit …outside of the office we ran for. Nobody ever ran an office from outside the building, man. Never.
So, 200 people are now placing this decision on a plate in front of the voters , in front of people that they will ask to help them later as an election approaches. Not very smart.
A number of quite conservative Republicans have been lopped off at the knees once they agreed that Jeff should just go.
And finally, this hasn’t got one iota of anything resembling “payback” in it.
Frankly, if Jeff had conducted himself with dignity, an outgoing and humble personality, and had done what he promised…..I could not have cared who headed up the RPV, so long as the job got done, and we didn’t read about the Chair in any publication …unless it was honoring him.
Having flipped off the McCain campaign, given “twitter” moments that tipped balances, funneled so much money thru his own interest that 67 businesses will not give to the RPV until he’s gone…and numerous moments involving Obama/Osama, Darwin and a number of other embarassments…
Jeff just needed to step aside, which could have been facilitated quitely…until he decided to drag us down with him.
And that’s where I am today. If Jeff really cares about the RPV more than himself, he’d step down and stop the public embarassment he’s putting us thru.
Mr. Osborne,
In regard to “The Davis political machine in NOVA pushed McCain during the Virginia primary. Perhaps that hill would not have been as steep if we had nominated someone like Mike Huckabee.”
I will be asked to support the ultimate winner in the AG contest. Even if he isn’t the one I’m sure would win the contest. Under your reasoning, as I understand it, if my guy doesn’t win the nomination, I’ll be fine if I just throw my feet up and watch the defeat on TV from my home?
Bulletproof,
Thanks for your reply. You may agree with others trying to oust Frederick but, your point of view isn’t exactly the same as many of the others.
Frederick aside, I find your “Purple” Virginia comment interesting. Virginia has always been purple to an extent. Always. You just couldn’t tell sometimes based on who was dominating at the time. Usually the dominant party would succumb to all the power, become corrupted and self-important and then lose the backing of Virginians.
Why was it that Virginia was dominated for so long at one time by Democrats? One could easily be decieved. Virginia has always loved a Conservative Democrat.Owen Pickett enjoyed great success in a very conservative area. In Tidewater, the military presence alongside bastions of the Religious Right and yet, he won time and again. Democrat Johnny Joannou of Portsmouth is more conservative than some Republicans.
Virginia clearly loves conservatives. In my opinion, a conservative democrat is usually MORE conservative than your typical Republican that is referred to as a RINO. The answer isn’t to “out Democrat the Democrats” that goes beyond purple. The answer is to find out what Virginians find appealing by real conservative democrats. Granted, many democrats are anything but conservative, they merely sell themselves as such. Some of these liars sell themselves as something they are not with great skill.
Bulletproof Monk,
I was a precinct captain for McCain-Palin. I am simply saying that McCain did not appeal to conservative leaning independents like Mike Huckabee did.
Cultural conservatism is not a drag with independent voters. People like Mike Huckabee have proven that. The statistics speak for themselves, we will benefit when we campaign and govern as cultural and fiscal conservatives.
When push comes to shove, many people including myself are conservatives first, and Republicans second.
This is a republic and in a republic we choose who we want to support, and if the GOP abandons it’s principles then those who believe in those principles have every right to not support the party. If I am a heretic for saying that, then so be it.
Just to clarify, I would urge fellow conservatives not to allow a personality food fight to cause them to leave the party. I have heard some suggest that they will back an independent over Bob McDonnell. McDonnell is about as conservative as it comes, as a matter of fact, his record on cultural issues is sterling. Most recently being his fighting to uphold Virginia’s partial-birth abortion ban. If you look under his issues page on his website he mentions his record of defending innocent life.
Let’s not get so bent out of shape over an internal party affair, that we forget the big picture.
You may not agree with him injecting himself into this, however, that is trivial compared to the big picture.
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