We need men like Lee and Jackson today in this country. God bless them and their day.

We do celebrate Virginia history and heritage. This is just another silly pc stunt.

Either you are unable to read or missed my post(though you did respond to it) saying we should and need to celebrate all of Virginia history. Of course that is not the question at hand.

By the way, what’s this about “Jefferson’s more perfect union?” Are you perhaps confusing the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the US Constitution? While Jefferson wasn’t always 100% consistent on the issue, it is clear he leaned heavily towards the view that a state has a right to secede from the union and was pretty much an anti-Federalist in his views. His worst fears about this “more perfect union” were confirmed with the passage of the Alien and Sedition acts. Today he is considered to be one of the Fathers of a Southern political philosophy that includes as a bedrock item the right of secession. Lee and Jackson were ideological heirs, even though they weren’t supportive of the Southern secession at first.

Give me Jefferson, Lee and Jackson any day. You can keep Lincoln, FDR, and all the other American strongmen who have destroyed constitutional government in America.

Lee-Jackson forever:
http://coloradoconfederatarian.squarespace.com/journal/2009/1/19/lee-jackson.html

This is not about who left the Union. You said if everyone agreed on slavery, well, it is clear that was not the case North or South.

The reasons why the South seceded is quite easily read in their speeches advocating secession, and they rarely had a paragraph that didn’t protect slavery.

Once again you are wrong. Of course you are a hypocrite. You simply pick and choose whom you like and whom you do not like not based on facts, but based on your biases as a yankee. Anyone can play that silly game, yet, you like to think that somehow you are a better person or somehow can come to a different outcome. Well, you are wrong.

The fact Grant’s family had slaves before, during and after the war, seems to push aside how if everyone had agreed about slavery, there would not have been a war. It seems Grant’s reasons for fighting the war was not to end slavery. But, in your world because he was on the Union side he was fighting to end slavery, nothing less, nothing more.

Because what you said had NOTHING to do with what I said. You go on and on and on about how I treat Washington and Jefferson different from Jackson and Lee.

It’s a lie, but since your world depends on thinking that slavery and the Civil War just were mere coincidences passing in the night, lies and you don’t seem to be mortal enemies.

I don’t make exceptions for anyone. Virginia Heritage includes everyone, faults and all. Jackson-Lee Day celebrates only two men who fought a war that would never have been fought if everyone agreed about slavery.

Two men fought on the side that was fighting to preserve the right to own other people. While I don’t want to erase history, I don’t want to throw a party about the worst parts of it and ignore the rest.

A bit of selectivity going on I see. You do not equate them with slavery, even though both owned slaves, and in the case of Thomas Jefferson had the power to influence the Constitution on the matter. It is on record the British, if they had won the war, were going to give freedom to American slaves that fought for them. A fact that implies the war did have something to do with slavery. I’m not aware of George Washington making any statements about freeing slaves who fought under him. Does that mean Washington was fighting to keep slavery? Or, the Colonies?

Yet, for some reason you can’t make the same exception for Lee and Jackson.

Lee and Jackson were fighting for Virginia. Lee simply could not turn his back on the land of his family, and clearly was torn on the issue Virginia leaving the Union. In fact, I would submit had Virginia not left the Union, Lee would have taken the offer from Lincoln to be Commander of the Union Army. Jackson also had made similar statements about not being to fight against Virginia.

Of course, I’m not saying we should not celebrate Washington or Jefferson. They lived in an era far different from the one that we live in, and it is way too simple and easy to make judgments on people who lived in the past using our modern minds.

Liking Washington, Jefferson, Lee, or Jackson is also not in anyway a support of slavery or a desire to return to those days.

I also like to think we can celebrate all of Virginia history and in fact we should. However, changing a holiday named after Robert E Lee and Thomas J. Jackson is not the way to go about it.