Of course Democrats can afford to be amused when they witness thr train wreck that is what is left of the once powerful Republican Party.

But then again – power ebbs and flows in cycles.

I loved Gilmore.
I really like Bolling. (I guess I just don’t think about abortion everyday)
I really like Cuccinelli

Who is Muldoon again?

Just to confuse everyone, I liked John Warner. He was always Pro-Defense even if not in favor of the way things were handled. Yea, Warner made me angry at times but, he didn’t carry water for anyone. I respect that.

My biggest prediction?
Libertarians will realize the message is getting out. They just have to convince everyone that they can win. Otherwise voting for the “lesser of two evils” will continue.

I get where you’re coming from, but I’m more optimistic. Again, I agree there could be that Marshall-Muldoon connection, but not so much in tie with Cuccinelli. Also, as I stated earlier, I don’t think Muldoon will pull the numbers from Marshall delegates he needs to make anything too interesting.

Regardless, I do believe it’s a waste for Bolling to have Muldoon kicking him in the behind.

Some background info on myself: I’ll be 20 in May just before the convention, which will be my second. I was an ardent supporter of Marshall’s, but I’m for the McDonnell-Bolling-Cuccinelli ticket. I have a feeling there’s plenty of young Marshall delegates who are going to pull for Bolling.

We shall see.

I was not referring to the Roman Empire which collapsed around A.D. 450, I was referring to the Roman Republic, which became the Roman Empire around 50 B.C. The Republic became an because the very thing that preserved liberty in the Republic(strong morals) were forgatten. This led to a pseudo-socialistic Empire.

The United States is a morally righteous nation at it’s core, and we are the only government in centuries to retain the same form of government for it’s entire lifespan. The United Kingdom was for years a morally righteous nation it is when their morality began to decline that the British Empire began to dissolve. Compare that to Australia which was originally founded as a penal colony but churches are growing there and as a result the country is on a morally righteous track. Australia is a growing nation, that is not on the decline.

As to a Constitutional Amendment; the states are a part of the Amending process. It does not contradict federalism to support an Amendment that will promote morals. The Founding Fathers allowed for laws that promoted good morals, their precedent is clear.

2009 elections- I think that Bob McDonnell is going to be a top notch candidate. I think Bill Bolling will be nominated and will then win the general. I think that Cuccinelli will win the AG nomination, but I’m not counting out a Brownlee or even Foster upset. Then I think that Steve Shannon is going to have a hard time in SWVA, giving the GOP AG the edge.

McCain for all his promise did too much to signal he was Bush III. He needed to appear he had a clue on the economy. Obama isn’t much better but at least he knows it and is surroudnin g himself with non-ideological competent people who understand even libertarian ideals need to be relaxed when you are in such a big crisis we are facing.

Majority are in favor of the bailouts. Sure it might be republican lite to some people but we need votes. Its kind of the same situation at the state level. We can’t just be the party of no. We have to be the party of not the D solution instead of just no. The R solution should be much more efficicent and cost effective. Also the hypcrosity of embracing the 700 Billion big bailout and then screaming about the 50 Billion Auto bailout is appaling. It goes back to the theme that Republican only care about the top 10% again.

I love your statement about you can’t reduce taxes without reducing spending.

I had high hopes for McCain who is know for following that religiously. But then he flipped on the tax issue and then God knows why the heck he picked Palin and it was all over. Didn’t hurt that Obama gives me more than McCain would have which is true for 90% of the population making under 200k individual 250k family.

If only libertarians controlled the world :-p.

By the way, Jane is one-for-one in her predictions – she predicted this would happen to the thread!

As for me….

Democrats:
Governor: Moran
LG: Wagner
AG: Fishwick

Republicans:
LG: Bolling
AG: Cuccinelli

November:
Gov: McDonnell
LG: Bolling
AG: Cuccinelli
House: GOP picks-up one seat

Stanley Cup:
Detroit Red Wings

World Series:
Tigers v. Cubs

Oh, and Reid finally admits he actually is a Democrat.

Problem for you is that John Warner won elections and Ron Paul did not.

You can not win elections in a democracy while you champion minority viewpoints.

Perhaps you can find some alliance within the extreme left. They support proportional representation as well.

(1) (Hard core Left will never vote for GOP) Agreed. Yet we have RINOs that are really Democrats wearing an “R” beside their name that are supported by the GOP leadership. Why? Do we feel that “Moderates” are too dumb to tell the difference between Republicans and Democrats? Or is the GOP so arrogant they think they can decieve the “Moderate” voters by cleaver marketing? Meaning that somehow “Moderates” will vote for RINOs instead of Democrats? because … why? What do RINOs offer “Moderates” that Democrats do not?

(2) Healthcare. It is not a responsibility of the government to provide healthcare. That is left to the individual to deal with. Government is meant to be limited – certainly at the federal level. Taxes. Republicans are living in a fantasy world if they feel they can both “cut taxes” without reducing government spending. Under GOP leadership we have witnessed massive increases in government spending – and governmnet debt. The committment to lower taxes goes hand and glove with the need to reduce government spending.

(3) (Youth/young adult vote) The GOP simply failed to make the young people understand that the “free stuff” the DEMS offered isn’t really free afterall and that the future of the next generations to come was just placed into massive debt used to fund the irresponsible and reckless spending and borrowing of the current generation. Expanding government leads to expanding the need for more tax money to fund more government. Paying for “free” “Universal Healthcare” will really break the bank! Free post K-12 education is going to have to be paid for – and the GOP failed to explain that the young people heading out into the job market will become indentured servants to their government if they vote for the policies of the Democratic Party and Barack Obama. The GOP could have offered a more appealing candidate than John McCain to attrack younger voters. They gambled – they lost. The GOP did what to appeal to young people? John Mccain could have OPPOSED the wall Street bailout and used the media attention to expose the mess the DEMS plan to leave for future generations to pay for.

Nope. John McCain – standard bearer of the GOP – chose to act like a Democrat and voted FOR socialism – and mortgaing the future of the next few generations to pay for the mess they did not make.

He could have explained his stand in such terms and help the younger voters understand why voting for him would have been more in their own self interest than voting for Barack Obama.

President Bush – the current standard bearing of the GOP also failed to veto the bailout – and he even over rode Congress when they voted to oppose the bailout of the privately owned auto companies.

Frankly, the GOP leadership simply failed to make a convincing case to vote FOR them – instead of the Democratic Party.

If the price for Senator John Warner winning his election is to oppose the following Republican Party core principles – why would any principled Republican support him?

Are not core Republican party principles to support a return to a Constitutional Republic that results:

* in limited government
* individual responsibility for success or failure based in a nation of equal * opportunity
* lower taxes
* property rights
* the belief that government exists to protect the rights of citizens and not to act as some sort of all powerful and intrusive “nanny-state” that seeks to inhibit our freedom by the use of seizing too much of our wealth and passing too many laws intended to prevent citizens from “harming” themselves?

What good is electing someone to office like John Warner that acts like a Democrat once in office?

Unless the goal is simply to retain a majority of “Rs” in office – at any price?

Maybe that is a reason principled Conservatives are leaving the GOP?