Comments on: What Does MoveOn’s Army Want? http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/19/what-does-moveons-army-want/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:11:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: DCH http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/19/what-does-moveons-army-want/#comment-11434 DCH Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:24:37 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3797#comment-11434 Pretty interesting. Pretty interesting.

]]> By: Alter of Freedom http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/19/what-does-moveons-army-want/#comment-11426 Alter of Freedom Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:46:19 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3797#comment-11426 The point that often gets lost guys is its no longer "issues". Most Americans would agree with the top five though with differing ideas about how to go about them, but it has become about marketing and branding. A page has been taken out of industry in this manner and it is now being directly applied to politics and groups like Moveon. Its about who people "perceive" to be fighting for them and as long as the GOP continues to allow itself to be portrayed as solely the big business party. An example of this is how the left always portrays CEO's and bonus monies in the same breathe as somehow always equated with the GOP and yet folks like Buffet are hardly Republican. Its the branding measures of how the Dems are supposed to be about the little guy and the GOP about those with money....is this not always the spin on the tax arguement and yet of course everyone one of the Dems in leadership fit into that same bracket of wealth, including Obama after his books, the Clintons and the like. The point that often gets lost guys is its no longer “issues”. Most Americans would agree with the top five though with differing ideas about how to go about them, but it has become about marketing and branding. A page has been taken out of industry in this manner and it is now being directly applied to politics and groups like Moveon. Its about who people “perceive” to be fighting for them and as long as the GOP continues to allow itself to be portrayed as solely the big business party. An example of this is how the left always portrays CEO’s and bonus monies in the same breathe as somehow always equated with the GOP and yet folks like Buffet are hardly Republican. Its the branding measures of how the Dems are supposed to be about the little guy and the GOP about those with money….is this not always the spin on the tax arguement and yet of course everyone one of the Dems in leadership fit into that same bracket of wealth, including Obama after his books, the Clintons and the like.

]]> By: LittleDavid http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/19/what-does-moveons-army-want/#comment-11418 LittleDavid Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:50:53 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3797#comment-11418 Steven Osborne, Republicans proved they were totally incompetent on your issue #3. I'd put forth that you can not make the spending cuts necessary to both balance the budget and cut taxes at the same time and expect to get reelected the next time around. I'm more in favor of balancing the budget then I am in favor of seeing another tax cut we can not afford. novamiddleman, I think I could work with MoveOn on the top 5 as long as they allowed some wiggle room on #4. I too want to get out of Iraq but I do not want to get out without having done so wisely. I probably want to go a little more slowly on their #1 issue. But I agree something needs to be done about health care and perhaps their preferred solution is the correct way to go if they can round up enough support for it. But as long as they concentrate on the top 5 and stop demanding some of the things further down the list I think I could work with even them. Steven Osborne,

Republicans proved they were totally incompetent on your issue #3. I’d put forth that you can not make the spending cuts necessary to both balance the budget and cut taxes at the same time and expect to get reelected the next time around.

I’m more in favor of balancing the budget then I am in favor of seeing another tax cut we can not afford.

novamiddleman,

I think I could work with MoveOn on the top 5 as long as they allowed some wiggle room on #4. I too want to get out of Iraq but I do not want to get out without having done so wisely.

I probably want to go a little more slowly on their #1 issue. But I agree something needs to be done about health care and perhaps their preferred solution is the correct way to go if they can round up enough support for it.

But as long as they concentrate on the top 5 and stop demanding some of the things further down the list I think I could work with even them.

]]> By: Steven Osborne http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/19/what-does-moveons-army-want/#comment-11409 Steven Osborne Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:42:53 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3797#comment-11409 What conservatives should be standing for is simple. 1. Enforcing the Constitution 2. Protecting our God given liberties 3. cutting taxes and getting our fiscal house in order While I see the point that novamiddleman is trying to make, most of the American people agree with us on the issues. Just look at the traditional marriage proposition in California. The other day I was riding down I-81 on my way to Harrisonburg and I saw a sign that read, "Obama-Biden for Lower Taxes." That in itself shows that the Democrats tend to win when they take conservative ideas and make them sound like their own(i.e. Bill Clinton and welfare reform). What conservatives should be standing for is simple.

1. Enforcing the Constitution
2. Protecting our God given liberties
3. cutting taxes and getting our fiscal house in order

While I see the point that novamiddleman is trying to make, most of the American people agree with us on the issues. Just look at the traditional marriage proposition in California. The other day I was riding down I-81 on my way to Harrisonburg and I saw a sign that read, “Obama-Biden for Lower Taxes.” That in itself shows that the Democrats tend to win when they take conservative ideas and make them sound like their own(i.e. Bill Clinton and welfare reform).

]]> By: Max Shapiro http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/19/what-does-moveons-army-want/#comment-11405 Max Shapiro Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:16:25 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3797#comment-11405 With no civil rights to speak of who cares about anything else? Judging by current trends were not going to have any rights to speak of by the end of 2012. Wage slaves is all we are going to be and as of today it is pretty much all we are. Just like the old axiom; were not having our rights taken away, were begging for them to be taken away... With no civil rights to speak of who cares about anything else? Judging by current trends were not going to have any rights to speak of by the end of 2012. Wage slaves is all we are going to be and as of today it is pretty much all we are. Just like the old axiom; were not having our rights taken away, were begging for them to be taken away…

]]> By: novamiddleman http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/19/what-does-moveons-army-want/#comment-11401 novamiddleman Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:35:13 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3797#comment-11401 In all seriousness I think most people in American are in favor of the top 3. Now yes there are some cost issues and devil in the details stuff but those are all popular issues and heck I even agree with them for example. On the flipside I wonder what the top 3 issues are for a rightwing or even more moderate Republican group. Cutting taxes would propably be pretty high up there which most people agree with but after that what exaclty do the Republicans want to actually do or stand for anymore. In all seriousness I think most people in American are in favor of the top 3. Now yes there are some cost issues and devil in the details stuff but those are all popular issues and heck I even agree with them for example.

On the flipside I wonder what the top 3 issues are for a rightwing or even more moderate Republican group.

Cutting taxes would propably be pretty high up there which most people agree with but after that what exaclty do the Republicans want to actually do or stand for anymore.

]]> By: Steven Osborne http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/19/what-does-moveons-army-want/#comment-11400 Steven Osborne Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:19:49 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3797#comment-11400 The liberal healthcare agenda has nothing to do with helping the underpriviledged, rather it takes advantage of the underpriviledged by causing them to become more dependent upon the Democratic government. The bottom line is that if you want a liberal government to help you then there are strings attached. The liberal healthcare agenda has nothing to do with helping the underpriviledged, rather it takes advantage of the underpriviledged by causing them to become more dependent upon the Democratic government. The bottom line is that if you want a liberal government to help you then there are strings attached.

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