Do as I say, not as I do
By Amit Singh | Sunday, December 14th, 2008 | Catch-AllToday British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said 75% of the terror plots in Britain originate from Pakistan and agreed with India’s assertion that the Mumbai attackers were from there as well. Overall, I am happy with the United States in the ordeal as a diplomatic player to keep India and Pakistan from going to war but I wonder who would play that role if America was attacked?
While the Indian public is foaming at the mouth to attack Lashkar-e-Taiba training camps in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, the United States fires missiles into Pakistan, a sovereign country it was not attacked by, a few times a week despite repeated calls by Pakistan to halt the practice.
So what’s the difference? One could argue there is no chance U.S. and Pakistan would go to war with each other while India’s incursions would escalate to war. But at the same time, are the U.S. actions making Americans safer or not? I don’t think it was any coincidence that the attacks in Islamabad and Mumbai are focusing in on tourist areas and the attackers were specifically looking for tourists with U.S. and British passports.
I don’t think under the Obama administration there will be much change in how we deal with Pakistan which may be okay now that Musharraf is gone (for now) and Zardari is much more interested in peace and stability. Regardless, I think we need to develop more comprehensive ways to “defeat terrorism” rather than thinking we can kill all the terrorists. Of course, you know I think we should take a more capitalist approach and work on the economy to provide jobs to would-be jihadists.
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Anyone remember when the “blow back” theory was considered treasonous?
Yeah, anyone who said America’s actions overseas caused people to hate us and that anyone who said America deserved to be hated was a traitor…
Are you f**king kidding me? Does anyone here know how much BS we have pulled on other countries? How man governments we have overthrown, how many countries we have economically enslaved?
Our government deserves all the hate it currently garners and then some…that extra part should be coming from the American people who have yet to wake up and learn about Iran in ’51, Guatemala in ’54, Panama and Ecuador in ’81 and many, many others…
Give the land back the people, demand fair payment for natural resources…yeah that is really communist philosophy…wanting a foreign power to stop dictating domestic policy…that sure is real fascist …
Wake the f**k up
one of my favorite shirts is one that says “Dissent is Patriotic” and I find it interesting how the same shirt stirs different reactions now that Obama is going to be the next president versus just 1 or 2 years ago.
this difficult issue to navigate is that the neocons will use scare tactics to convince the public their actions are necessary. WMD was a classic example of how we unfortunately got involved in Iraq.
Well Amit, would you agree with me that we cannot defeat an enemy fully unless we first know what motivates them? This is were the liberal movement misses the boat. This is a religious war. Thats all there is to it. America was founded on the premise that our rights come from God while these Islamic fascists believe that there god has given them the right to take the world for Islam and kill anyone who gets in the way.
Thats not hype thats reality.
Steve, sorry, but did you miss the entire history of the crusades and the colonization of the America’s?
Yeah you definitely did…go read a book
Christians have killed millions in the name of God and in the belief that they were supposed to conquer the world for Christ. People like you are a cruel joke on the world.
Well Max, I have read a book its called the Bible and in that Book Jesus says that he that lives by the sword will die by the sword. However, God also gives people the freedom to defend themselves. The crusaders were taking actions contrary to the Word of God therefore they were not Christians.
And as far as the colonization of the America’s. I’m have some Native American ancestry so don’t lecture me on that.
What the conquistadors and others did had no backing from the Word of God. Therefore again, They were not acting in the true spirit of Christianity.
Wahabbi Islamists, on the other hand, base there actions on verses from the Koran. Peaceful Muslims base those verses differently.
Know your history.
I know my history better than you, be sure of that.
Show me the vast majority of Muslims who believe that the Koran gives them the power to spread their religion through force and I will show you the vast majority of Pope’s and Head of State Churches who said god gave them the power to conquer and enslave entire cultures. It is historical fact that these people came to the new world to spread their religion and kill those who did not agree. More people have been killed in the name of Jesus than anyone else in the history of the world. Granted the Bible may not explicitily say go kill those who do not agree, but that does not change that people did it anyone.
Any Muslim will say those who kill “infidels” are not true Muslims.
No idea why the word anyone is on the end of that paragraph. I am just banging these out while at work.
Either way, you cannot blame a religion for hating Americans. The American government has brought all this on itself. Anyone who disagrees bring it on. I can give you a laundry list of examples where America shat on countries sovereignty and economically oppressed or conquered nations.
“…that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have ackknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman(Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”- T.Jefferson and J. Adams
You see Max, our Founding Fathers understood the nature of what we faced and they were victorious in the Tripolitan War. They did not treat the radical Islamic raiders as criminals but rather as a dangerous enemy. They saw it as a religious war. As far as Christian church leaders who incited violence, even you admitted that there actions in no way reflected the Bible’s teachings. Jesus Christ is the head of the church and the definition of a Christian is someone who is Christlike and follows the Word of God.
You quoted 2 men, not the Koran. You said yourself that many Muslims interpret your aforementioned verses seperately. People do not hate because of religion, they hate us because we have raped and pillaged their countires and killed their people.
The bible despises usury, by your defintion hardly a single national level politican is a christian and as I have yet to see any “christian” leaders call for the abolishment of the fractional reserve ratio…well you get the point
Class differences are the real issue, this bullshit about race and religion is what the elite who control the world want us to fight over so we forget we are economic slaves.
We need to wake and take down these people who have us enslaved.
Golpe De Estado, Viva Le Revolution
“Fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war).”-Surah 9:5(Koran)
There’s plenty more where that comes from Max. I have never said that our war is against all Muslims, on the contrary, I specifically pointed to WAHABBI Islam and Radical Islam as the enemy. The world does not revolve around economics, no matter how much Karl Marx or you want it to. As a student of history one can see that beliefs shape world history. Always have and always will.
Islam is sadly a recruiting tool for terrorist organizations and to call the “War on Terror” a religious war fails to address the underlying problem.
The citizens in many of the countries who sponsor terrorism lack many basic freedoms. The leaders of these terrorist organizations can both rightly and wrongly blame the West for all of these oppressed citizens problems and in turn with the added flair of Jihad are able to recruit the foot soldiers needed for their ongoing campaign.
If we are really ever going to “defeat terrorism” is has to be through economics and freedoms. Desperate people are highly vulnerable to good and bad influences and we have to win by ensuring jobs, freedoms, and justice are easier to obtain.
Well said Amit. Steven, you’re right in that religion and beliefs shape our history. But as Amit says, the repression of freedoms and the degraded living conditions of much of the world make people more vulnerable to the fanatical aspects of faith and zealotry.
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