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		<title>By: Amit</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11201</link>
		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, &lt;sarcasm&gt;brilliant and useful post.&lt;/sarcasm&gt;

LittleDavid, I didn&#039;t say CRA forced the banks but rather incentivized/encouraged them to make risky loans.  Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, both govt sponsored institutions, pushed for low income loans to increase the percentage of home ownership in the country and meet CRA goals.  Of course the Iraq war, govt waste and the Federal Reserve didn&#039;t help our current condition either, so you&#039;re right its not all CRA&#039;s fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, <sarcasm>brilliant and useful post.</sarcasm></p>
<p>LittleDavid, I didn&#8217;t say CRA forced the banks but rather incentivized/encouraged them to make risky loans.  Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, both govt sponsored institutions, pushed for low income loans to increase the percentage of home ownership in the country and meet CRA goals.  Of course the Iraq war, govt waste and the Federal Reserve didn&#8217;t help our current condition either, so you&#8217;re right its not all CRA&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11196</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amit clearly does not understand the terms of the &quot;free market&quot; he claims to endorse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amit clearly does not understand the terms of the &#8220;free market&#8221; he claims to endorse.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11193</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amit,

Your deposits in banks (up to a limit) are safe because of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) and not because of enforcement of contracts.  One way out of a contract is to file for bankruptcy, and that is what banks were doing back during the Great Depression depriving even small depositors of their money.

As for the &quot;investors we hire&quot; being smart enough:  it is difficult for even the smartest people to figure out what he good investments are when information is withheld from them.  Look at the Madoff Wall Street fraud as a recent example.

Blaming the Community Reinvestment Act (which only prohibited redlining) for the mortgage meltdown is BS.  The act did not force anyone to give loans to bad credit risks.  It only prohibited not giving loans to people with good credit who just happened to live in the wrong neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amit,</p>
<p>Your deposits in banks (up to a limit) are safe because of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) and not because of enforcement of contracts.  One way out of a contract is to file for bankruptcy, and that is what banks were doing back during the Great Depression depriving even small depositors of their money.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;investors we hire&#8221; being smart enough:  it is difficult for even the smartest people to figure out what he good investments are when information is withheld from them.  Look at the Madoff Wall Street fraud as a recent example.</p>
<p>Blaming the Community Reinvestment Act (which only prohibited redlining) for the mortgage meltdown is BS.  The act did not force anyone to give loans to bad credit risks.  It only prohibited not giving loans to people with good credit who just happened to live in the wrong neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: Amit</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11179</link>
		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;1.	do you appreciate knowing that the money you have deposited in your bank is safe?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, and that is why I said the govt does have a role in enforcing contracts

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;2.	do you enjoy investing in stocks of companies that have to provide information to shareholders - rather than hiding bad news from the people that own their company?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

I only directly invest in companies I understand well and have proven they will be in business long term.  Day traders that are making a trade a minute without understanding the business they are putting their money into are taking a high risk.  That being said, companies that want you to invest in them have to provide information to the investors truthfully.  There is a difference between not mentioning bad news and lying about it.  The investors we hire need to smart enough to ask the right questions and perform the research before they put the money in.  That’s what we pay them for.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;3. do you own your home? Prior to the initiation of FHA loans home ownership in this nation was less than 20%&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, I own two homes.  While home ownership has many advantages, artificially increasing the percentage is exactly how we arrived into our banking crisis.  

Blaming deregulation of the banks and the Free Market for the current economic crisis is flat out wrong.  The govt intervened where it should not have and through the Community Reinvestment Act incentivized banks to give out loans to people with bad credit with little to no documentation because there was no risk involved.  The govt socialized the risk and privatized the profits.  &lt;b&gt;That is not Free Market!&lt;/b&gt;  What did you think was going to happen?    Alternatively, Capital One made money on high-risk individuals during the same time because they carefully vetted who and how much credit they gave.  

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;4. do you desire a stable market?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;
Of course.  Do you think the market performance should be based on companies performance or the Federal Reserve bank?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>1.	do you appreciate knowing that the money you have deposited in your bank is safe?</i></b></p>
<p>Yes, and that is why I said the govt does have a role in enforcing contracts</p>
<p><b><i>2.	do you enjoy investing in stocks of companies that have to provide information to shareholders &#8211; rather than hiding bad news from the people that own their company?</i></b></p>
<p>I only directly invest in companies I understand well and have proven they will be in business long term.  Day traders that are making a trade a minute without understanding the business they are putting their money into are taking a high risk.  That being said, companies that want you to invest in them have to provide information to the investors truthfully.  There is a difference between not mentioning bad news and lying about it.  The investors we hire need to smart enough to ask the right questions and perform the research before they put the money in.  That’s what we pay them for.</p>
<p><b><i>3. do you own your home? Prior to the initiation of FHA loans home ownership in this nation was less than 20%</i></b></p>
<p>Yes, I own two homes.  While home ownership has many advantages, artificially increasing the percentage is exactly how we arrived into our banking crisis.  </p>
<p>Blaming deregulation of the banks and the Free Market for the current economic crisis is flat out wrong.  The govt intervened where it should not have and through the Community Reinvestment Act incentivized banks to give out loans to people with bad credit with little to no documentation because there was no risk involved.  The govt socialized the risk and privatized the profits.  <b>That is not Free Market!</b>  What did you think was going to happen?    Alternatively, Capital One made money on high-risk individuals during the same time because they carefully vetted who and how much credit they gave.  </p>
<p><b><i>4. do you desire a stable market?</i></b><br />
Of course.  Do you think the market performance should be based on companies performance or the Federal Reserve bank?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11175</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BK - what&#039;s nice is that anyone with a brain can see your/ the GOP&#039;s spin on this one.  I can&#039;t wait for the 2010 election.  

While I hope that the GOP isn&#039;t pounded too badly, as we do need some kind of an opposition, I think we can already see where this is going to go.  

Amit - before your overly critique our bastardization of the free market you should ask yourself:
1. do you appreciate knowing that the money you have deposited in your bank is safe?
2.  do you enjoy investing in stocks of companies that have to provide information to shareholders - rather than hiding bad news from the people that own their company?
3.  do you own your home?  Prior to the initiation of FHA loans home ownership in this nation was less than 20%
4.  do you desire a stable market?

There are litterally dozens of ways that our government, and others, have used the market to create wealth while also trying to stabilize catastrophic events - if anything the deregulation of the banking industry in the late 90s, early 00s - to a more &quot;free market&quot; approach is the most recent counter-argument for your stated desire to have a pure free market.  After all, in a free market only those with wealth and power have the knowledge to trade and gain wealth, the rest of us are just the peons upon which that wealth is built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BK &#8211; what&#8217;s nice is that anyone with a brain can see your/ the GOP&#8217;s spin on this one.  I can&#8217;t wait for the 2010 election.  </p>
<p>While I hope that the GOP isn&#8217;t pounded too badly, as we do need some kind of an opposition, I think we can already see where this is going to go.  </p>
<p>Amit &#8211; before your overly critique our bastardization of the free market you should ask yourself:<br />
1. do you appreciate knowing that the money you have deposited in your bank is safe?<br />
2.  do you enjoy investing in stocks of companies that have to provide information to shareholders &#8211; rather than hiding bad news from the people that own their company?<br />
3.  do you own your home?  Prior to the initiation of FHA loans home ownership in this nation was less than 20%<br />
4.  do you desire a stable market?</p>
<p>There are litterally dozens of ways that our government, and others, have used the market to create wealth while also trying to stabilize catastrophic events &#8211; if anything the deregulation of the banking industry in the late 90s, early 00s &#8211; to a more &#8220;free market&#8221; approach is the most recent counter-argument for your stated desire to have a pure free market.  After all, in a free market only those with wealth and power have the knowledge to trade and gain wealth, the rest of us are just the peons upon which that wealth is built.</p>
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		<title>By: Amit</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11167</link>
		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the only real regulation from the govt needed to have a Free Market is enforcing contracts (includes saying the truth) and protecting property (i.e. environment, personal).  sadly, the convention definition of the Free Market has been bastardized to become giving incentives to businesses (i.e. corporate welfare).

while Hoeft is correct in saying many Republicans were against the banking bailout, they lost their backbone because McCain came out in strong support for it and just weeks before the election the GOP preferred to show unity than principle.  guess what?  they paid for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only real regulation from the govt needed to have a Free Market is enforcing contracts (includes saying the truth) and protecting property (i.e. environment, personal).  sadly, the convention definition of the Free Market has been bastardized to become giving incentives to businesses (i.e. corporate welfare).</p>
<p>while Hoeft is correct in saying many Republicans were against the banking bailout, they lost their backbone because McCain came out in strong support for it and just weeks before the election the GOP preferred to show unity than principle.  guess what?  they paid for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11165</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did those auto leaders get their hands dirty flying on their private jets to Congress?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did those auto leaders get their hands dirty flying on their private jets to Congress?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11162</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously BK you have talked about the GOP reshaping its message - well from where I stand the GOP&#039;s message is loud and clear: help those in the top 1% of earners, and forget those who actually get their hands dirty.  Really, just once like to see them do what&#039;s best for America and not what&#039;s best for the party - with the GOP for the last 10 years it&#039;s been party first, nation second.

Honestly, I should be more thankful, on a daily basis the GOP is helping to justify my choice of political party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously BK you have talked about the GOP reshaping its message &#8211; well from where I stand the GOP&#8217;s message is loud and clear: help those in the top 1% of earners, and forget those who actually get their hands dirty.  Really, just once like to see them do what&#8217;s best for America and not what&#8217;s best for the party &#8211; with the GOP for the last 10 years it&#8217;s been party first, nation second.</p>
<p>Honestly, I should be more thankful, on a daily basis the GOP is helping to justify my choice of political party.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11159</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, you really don&#039;t get it, do you?

Reality? Life?

Us middle class voters have more votes then you white collar types.

We called out the calvary for Wall Street.  Is it wrong to sound the trumpet only because those rescued might have some sweat on their collar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, you really don&#8217;t get it, do you?</p>
<p>Reality? Life?</p>
<p>Us middle class voters have more votes then you white collar types.</p>
<p>We called out the calvary for Wall Street.  Is it wrong to sound the trumpet only because those rescued might have some sweat on their collar?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11155</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, you really don&#039;t get it, do you?

Reality?  Life?  

The Unions are the ones who refuse to change one line of their precious contracts but want the bailout anyway from the people they&#039;ve tried to defeat.

I&#039;m not convinced that agreeing to that is &quot;best for America.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, you really don&#8217;t get it, do you?</p>
<p>Reality?  Life?  </p>
<p>The Unions are the ones who refuse to change one line of their precious contracts but want the bailout anyway from the people they&#8217;ve tried to defeat.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that agreeing to that is &#8220;best for America.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: LittleDavid</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11151</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

Didn&#039;t the Democrats agree to hand over the loot to Wall Street?

The idea that is supposed to be running through Republicans&#039; heads is what is best for America, not who coughs up the dough for their election campaigns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t the Democrats agree to hand over the loot to Wall Street?</p>
<p>The idea that is supposed to be running through Republicans&#8217; heads is what is best for America, not who coughs up the dough for their election campaigns.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11149</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me get this straight.  Unions spend tons of money to defeat Republicans, and when they want a Government bailout, they&#039;re SURPRISED that the Republicans don&#039;t just hand over the loot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get this straight.  Unions spend tons of money to defeat Republicans, and when they want a Government bailout, they&#8217;re SURPRISED that the Republicans don&#8217;t just hand over the loot?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11148</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really?  You don&#039;t think that there are other more base local political issues at play?  I didn&#039;t realize you were such the idealist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?  You don&#8217;t think that there are other more base local political issues at play?  I didn&#8217;t realize you were such the idealist.</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11139</link>
		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better late than never.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better late than never.</p>
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		<title>By: Newsleader upset over the failed auto-bailout &#171; Valley Commentary</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/12/ever-wonder-what-a-labor-contract-looks-like/#comment-11135</link>
		<dc:creator>Newsleader upset over the failed auto-bailout &#171; Valley Commentary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] perhaps if it ever came to a filibuster, the opposition  could kill some time by reading through this: [...]</description>
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