Comments on: VA GOP GOBs & the Future – Part II http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:30:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: LittleDavid http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10809 LittleDavid Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:20:46 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10809 Darrell, I do not think the comments are off topic. Petty? Perhaps. Maybe you can lead the discussion back on topic? Speak your mind. Darrell,

I do not think the comments are off topic. Petty? Perhaps. Maybe you can lead the discussion back on topic? Speak your mind.

]]> By: Darrell -- Chesapeake http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10786 Darrell -- Chesapeake Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:22:03 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10786 DCH, that was a very good editorial. Too bad the comments went off topic so quickly. DCH, that was a very good editorial. Too bad the comments went off topic so quickly.

]]> By: Brian Kirwin http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10785 Brian Kirwin Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:56:13 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10785 By the way, Max, is this you on the left? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3kcoJSMd7w By the way, Max, is this you on the left?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3kcoJSMd7w

]]> By: Max Shapiro http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10784 Max Shapiro Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:31:06 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10784 ^ Proof we live in an anti-intellectual society ^ Reason we are on the decline while Indian and Chinese students are blowing ours away... ^ Proof we live in an anti-intellectual society

^ Reason we are on the decline while Indian and Chinese students are blowing ours away…

]]> By: Brian Kirwin http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10782 Brian Kirwin Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:29:09 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10782 "I could literally go on for days and weeks and months." no kidding “I could literally go on for days and weeks and months.”

no kidding

]]> By: Max Shapiro http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10781 Max Shapiro Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:56:40 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10781 I was thinking more along the lines of getting rid of the fractional reserve system, replacing it with CH Douglas's National Credit system, fundamentally restructuring schools towards primary source education, and eliminating all traces of SOL's. I would follow that up with eliminating enforcement of simple possession laws except in cases where the individual commits another crime and focusing solely on people with upwards of 1 kilo of cocaine or 1 pound of weed. Next I would eliminate the IMF and the World Bank because all they do is force countries to take loans for say a new water system, then give that contract to a foreign country, cause the price for the water to skyrocket thereby making it impossible for the country to repay the loan. The country is then in debt, we refinance their loan and make the do what we want through structural "agreements." I could literally go on for days and weeks and months. I was thinking more along the lines of getting rid of the fractional reserve system, replacing it with CH Douglas’s National Credit system, fundamentally restructuring schools towards primary source education, and eliminating all traces of SOL’s. I would follow that up with eliminating enforcement of simple possession laws except in cases where the individual commits another crime and focusing solely on people with upwards of 1 kilo of cocaine or 1 pound of weed. Next I would eliminate the IMF and the World Bank because all they do is force countries to take loans for say a new water system, then give that contract to a foreign country, cause the price for the water to skyrocket thereby making it impossible for the country to repay the loan. The country is then in debt, we refinance their loan and make the do what we want through structural “agreements.”

I could literally go on for days and weeks and months.

]]> By: Reid Greenmun http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10780 Reid Greenmun Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:53:19 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10780 Brian, The GOP has won elections in Virginia - lots of them - they squandered their victory due to their failure to deliver sound governance in accordance with the GOP party principles. They also fell prey to the "must pander to moderates" mantra. The GOP leadership drank their own koolaid and then blamed the "right" for all the dead bodies left in the wake of their failure to lead. Brian,

The GOP has won elections in Virginia – lots of them – they squandered their victory due to their failure to deliver sound governance in accordance with the GOP party principles.

They also fell prey to the “must pander to moderates” mantra.

The GOP leadership drank their own koolaid and then blamed the “right” for all the dead bodies left in the wake of their failure to lead.

]]> By: Brian Kirwin http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10779 Brian Kirwin Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:49:42 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10779 There ya go, Max. All you have to do is overthrow the US Government and remake it in the style of Italy's. I'll check on ya Monday to see how you're doing. There ya go, Max. All you have to do is overthrow the US Government and remake it in the style of Italy’s.

I’ll check on ya Monday to see how you’re doing.

]]> By: LittleDavid http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10774 LittleDavid Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:33:06 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10774 Max Shapiro, I will note that you have some advocates for something other then the two party system amongst the extreme left. During Republican victories in the recent past they argued for proportional representation as exists in Parliamentary systems of government. Of course such systems of government are fairly unstable. Small elements of ruling coalitions can cause the collapse of the government by withdrawing their support when they do not get their way. Italy is probably the best example of this. Max Shapiro,

I will note that you have some advocates for something other then the two party system amongst the extreme left. During Republican victories in the recent past they argued for proportional representation as exists in Parliamentary systems of government.

Of course such systems of government are fairly unstable. Small elements of ruling coalitions can cause the collapse of the government by withdrawing their support when they do not get their way. Italy is probably the best example of this.

]]> By: Shaun Kenney http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10773 Shaun Kenney Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:30:55 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10773 Max -- outstanding!!! <blockquote>we need to get of this two party system as it stands and change it to a system whereby competing intellectuals debate each other to find the best course of action. Anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.</blockquote>110% correct! The kicker? I'm not sure DCH would disagree with you... Max — outstanding!!!

we need to get of this two party system as it stands and change it to a system whereby competing intellectuals debate each other to find the best course of action. Anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.

110% correct!

The kicker? I’m not sure DCH would disagree with you…

]]> By: Max Shapiro http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10768 Max Shapiro Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:10:12 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10768 I turned down getting paid by him several times before i actually started getting paid. I did not feel as if I was doing enough work to deserve getting paid. I hate money and I hate material objects almost as much as I hate people who dismiss arguments without ever addressing them. I turned down getting paid by him several times before i actually started getting paid. I did not feel as if I was doing enough work to deserve getting paid. I hate money and I hate material objects almost as much as I hate people who dismiss arguments without ever addressing them.

]]> By: Brian Kirwin http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10767 Brian Kirwin Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:38:27 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10767 Elect Max - He'll make you smarter yawn Does Gary Byler know you consider working for him "wage enslavement"? Elect Max – He’ll make you smarter

yawn

Does Gary Byler know you consider working for him “wage enslavement”?

]]> By: Max Shapiro http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10766 Max Shapiro Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:35:31 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10766 If you lose you go talk to the victor and make him understand why you are right and if you cannot do that then either the victor is illogical or you are illogical. If the victor was illogical then you are screwed in general, but if you are illogical as well than everyone is screwed. This is the problem with the two party system. We should be working together, not against each other. Why is that so hard to understand? It is not the 2 party system per se, it is the two party system as it exists today. If you lose you go talk to the victor and make him understand why you are right and if you cannot do that then either the victor is illogical or you are illogical. If the victor was illogical then you are screwed in general, but if you are illogical as well than everyone is screwed. This is the problem with the two party system. We should be working together, not against each other. Why is that so hard to understand? It is not the 2 party system per se, it is the two party system as it exists today.

]]> By: Max Shapiro http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10765 Max Shapiro Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:33:27 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10765 Brian, Socrates voluntarily killed himself by drinking hemlock, even when the Athenians attempted to let him go. He was convicted of corrupting the youth through spreading wisdom. Your pointing this out proves my point. Do you know the Socratic method? You ask your opponent question after question until they have no choice but to answer you are correct. Why do you not come by Byler's one day, I will use it on you and show you why I am right... You win the election by making voters smarter than they were before they election started. It is not hard, it is just intellectually challenging, which is always a good thing. Why do we not do things your way and keep sending this country down the drain? You seem to enjoy the though of wage enslavement and a huge gap between the rich and the poor. If you did not maybe you would have acknowledged my point that we are enslaved and do not even know it. I could write a discourse explaining mathematically exactly why this is so, but I doubt anyone would have the balls to read it. Brian, Socrates voluntarily killed himself by drinking hemlock, even when the Athenians attempted to let him go. He was convicted of corrupting the youth through spreading wisdom. Your pointing this out proves my point. Do you know the Socratic method? You ask your opponent question after question until they have no choice but to answer you are correct. Why do you not come by Byler’s one day, I will use it on you and show you why I am right…

You win the election by making voters smarter than they were before they election started. It is not hard, it is just intellectually challenging, which is always a good thing.

Why do we not do things your way and keep sending this country down the drain? You seem to enjoy the though of wage enslavement and a huge gap between the rich and the poor. If you did not maybe you would have acknowledged my point that we are enslaved and do not even know it. I could write a discourse explaining mathematically exactly why this is so, but I doubt anyone would have the balls to read it.

]]> By: Brian Kirwin http://bearingdrift.com/2008/12/05/va-gop-gobs-the-future-part-ii/#comment-10764 Brian Kirwin Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:13:03 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=3529#comment-10764 Great Max. We'll get rid of the two-party system and make sure that whoever loses elections gets to set policy. Let me know when you've put it in place. Great Max. We’ll get rid of the two-party system and make sure that whoever loses elections gets to set policy.

Let me know when you’ve put it in place.

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