Apparently this video has been everywhere, but I completely missed it last week. Here’s Rep. Jim Moran (VA-8) calling for income redistribution:
Can we start the Singh for Congressman campaign now?
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Jim Moran is in VA-8
lol. the funny thing is that I was at the event where this video was taken and this was bland compared to what happened later in the lobby where essentially Moran and a small business owner got into a shouting match over the efficiency of the IRS.
ps. Moran is VA-8 not VA-10
Ugh. I’m sorry. Of course he is. Fixed.
Regardless, Moran’s way out of touch and needs to go.
This is becoming the accepted way of thinking among people. I have gotten into more arguments with people over this line of reasoning than I ever have in the past. You know what comes on the heels of socialism? Persecution and dictatorship. Can’t wait! Obama is already getting his SS hit squad ready…
Stephen, you are so late to that SS game. Rep. Paul Broun beat you. But do you know who beat Broun? BearingDrift!
I’d be careful, though, or Godwin is going to round all of you up and take your milk money.
MB – Obama’s own words predates any concerns, as the video shows.
How is it that people always equate socialism with dictatorship? Yes, socialism has often served as a tool for autocrats and dictators to further their control. But there have been capitalist dictatorships (Chile under Pinochet) and the world is full of socialist democracies (much of western Europe).
George Orwell, one of this centuries strongest voices against the evils of totalitarian rule, was himself a strong advocate of social democratic politics:
Jeremy, I’ll give you the quick version. Socialism bankrupts a country, resulting in chaos and the order being restored by a dictator. In the case of America, we not only are moving toward socialism, but we have crazy spending policies. It’s only a matter of time…
“the bad economist pursues a small present good that will be followed by a great evil to come, while the good economist pursues a great good to come, at the risk of a small present evil.” – Frederic Bastiat (What Is Seen and What Is Not Seen)
Our politicians fancy themselves economists. It’s just too bad that they don’t realize they fall into the bad economist category.
I’d really like to know where all these concerned republicans were while Bush was arresting and incarcerating people with no due process (Gitmo), or while the NSA has been illigally tapping American phones.
The only answer I ever got from you guys was, “I’m not doing anything illigal, so I’m not worried about it.”
The GOP gave the President way too much power and cheered him on.
Bravo morons. Now suck it up.
Don’t worry Frenchy, I’m a republican and right with you. You don’t know how often I’ve been told that I’m not a republican because I won’t blindly follow our party leaders. I’ve been speaking out against our overseas empire, endless wars, abandoning of the constitution, and move toward a police state.
So Frency, there are members of the GOP who have been and still are against everything you said, and more, but we have been told we aren’t accepted among the rest of the party.
Stephen,
Thanks, I was feeling very alone.
Look, here’s what I think as an Independent. Vote for the Candidate. Not the party. If the American people spent more time researching the candidates and stop worring about party afilliation America would be a better place all around.
I can understand where you’re coming from, but with the way our two party system is, there isn’t really any hope of effecting change outside of it. Really, the only change I’m advocating isn’t change at all, but an adherence to the principles our party claims it represents. There really wouldn’t be a need for even a two party system if the republican party would stick to its guns. If the republican creed would be followed, we would have a party which everyone except the lazy and the crazy would love.
For example, the libertarian party is almost what the republican party should be with the exception of open borders, and the belief in separation of church and state. Also, think of the constitution party, which advocates truly what the republican party should be saying, if we believed in our own creed.
Why is there a constitution party at all? There wouldn’t be if we had leaders that actually believed in what the party is supposed to stand for. Or for that matter, we had people who put leaders into position because they believed in what we proclaim, rather than putting people in charge who we think can help us win.
I think we seriously have forgotten what it means to be a republican altogether. Our creed says we’re for limited government and following the constitution, but we have to understand the history behind why we came to this decision. I honestly don’t believe most people in our party understand where we came up with these ideas.
This can be evidenced by the voices who claim to represent conservatism. If these people were conservatives, they would understand that war costs money. They also wouldn’t be supporting the congress’s decision to pass on the ability to wage war to the president. When they did this, there wasn’t even any declaration of war. There is in my opinion, no conservative voice in America, only the far left and the left.
sadly, true conservatives were/are largely mocked by Republicans for not believing in maintaining America’s world domination through military means and that limited govt only applies to our wallet. perhaps after this latest, frankly embarrassing, defeat there will be some soul searching and returning to the creed.
Interesting idea on socialism Stephen. Its true that unchecked socialism can (and likely will) destroy an economy. But I would argue that to get to that point an authoritarian or totalitarian regime already has to be in place, to distort the influence of the people. It’s a democracy that IMHO saves us from the worse excesses of any economic system, including capitalism. The golden age of capitalism, the industrial revolution, brought us robber barons and the gilded age. Its excesses fed the socialist movements worldwide.
Here in the US, we got things like the Fair Labor Standards Act, collective bargaining, and other useful benefits, but stopped short of some of the broader socialist implementations in Europe. But that swing towards socialism and the resulting protections gave capitalism the foundation it needed to again resurge.
I tend to view socialism and capitalism not as absolute ideals, but as drivers on an econmic spectrum. With a solid, functioning democracy in place, both serve as useful checks on the other.
We haven’t been a capitalist nation in nearly a hundred years. You can’t look at the system we have now and talk about excesses and say that the excesses are from capitalism. A free market has its own limiting factors without interference from outside forces, such as the government. When government “intervenes” it’s usually out of the desire to focus on some immediate good while not taking into account the unintended consequences of their actions. This effectively cancels out the open market’s natural ability to regulate itself. So, we no longer have a free market system, or a capitalist system. This is some other beast.
I would argue that the world has never seen a fully capitalist economy, and all systems are mixed economies. There are many different metrics by which to judge the “capitalism-ness” of a system though. In terms of government ownership of resources and enterprise (well, maybe before the bailout), we are very capitalist. But in terms of government regulation, our environmental and labor laws cast us in a far more socialist light than many developing nations, where sweatshops and labor exploitation run rampant.