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	<title>Comments on: How city races in Virginia Beach could cost McCain Virginia</title>
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		<title>By: Virginia Beach GOP Chair calls for partsian elections &#124; Bearing Drift :: Virginia Politics and Podcasts</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/10/15/how-city-races-in-virginia-beach-could-cost-mccain-virginia/#comment-8472</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia Beach GOP Chair calls for partsian elections &#124; Bearing Drift :: Virginia Politics and Podcasts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] chairman of the Virginia Beach Republican Party, wrote BD this morning regarding this year&#8217;s mess of having three Republicans running for mayor: John Moss, Scott Taylor, and Will [...]</description>
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		<title>By: J.R. Hoeft</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/10/15/how-city-races-in-virginia-beach-could-cost-mccain-virginia/#comment-8463</link>
		<dc:creator>J.R. Hoeft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reid...I re-read the article and can see where you got that impression.

Personally, I live in Chesapeake and have no dog in this fight, other than the fact that I want to see McCain, et al. win VA and don&#039;t want a confused electorate in Va. Beach to cost him and others a deserved victory.

My beef is with the party.

When city elections include federal elections, they need to endorse.  That&#039;s effectively my argument in the post.

Al...thanks for your comment.  Glad to have you here and contributing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid&#8230;I re-read the article and can see where you got that impression.</p>
<p>Personally, I live in Chesapeake and have no dog in this fight, other than the fact that I want to see McCain, et al. win VA and don&#8217;t want a confused electorate in Va. Beach to cost him and others a deserved victory.</p>
<p>My beef is with the party.</p>
<p>When city elections include federal elections, they need to endorse.  That&#8217;s effectively my argument in the post.</p>
<p>Al&#8230;thanks for your comment.  Glad to have you here and contributing.</p>
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		<title>By: al Saferstein</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/10/15/how-city-races-in-virginia-beach-could-cost-mccain-virginia/#comment-8455</link>
		<dc:creator>al Saferstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,  Sorry!  I really do not have a position on that issue since I generally vote for the candidate and not the party. But your point is well taken
I personally do not  believe there has been enough of a debate between the candidates so it is difficult to distinguish any differences.  I do have an advantage..I know John well &amp; I believe John is the only Mayoral candidate that has the skill and discipline to deep six the relentless controls practiced by the administrator.   Enjoyed your post and the format here is pretty appealing.
Regards / Al</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,  Sorry!  I really do not have a position on that issue since I generally vote for the candidate and not the party. But your point is well taken<br />
I personally do not  believe there has been enough of a debate between the candidates so it is difficult to distinguish any differences.  I do have an advantage..I know John well &amp; I believe John is the only Mayoral candidate that has the skill and discipline to deep six the relentless controls practiced by the administrator.   Enjoyed your post and the format here is pretty appealing.<br />
Regards / Al</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Ryto</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/10/15/how-city-races-in-virginia-beach-could-cost-mccain-virginia/#comment-8453</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Ryto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reid,

No, not at all. I&#039;ve already voted absentee - and voted Scott Taylor.

Of course, your definition of &quot;socialism&quot; would be laughed at by any mainstream economist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid,</p>
<p>No, not at all. I&#8217;ve already voted absentee &#8211; and voted Scott Taylor.</p>
<p>Of course, your definition of &#8220;socialism&#8221; would be laughed at by any mainstream economist.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/10/15/how-city-races-in-virginia-beach-could-cost-mccain-virginia/#comment-8418</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the benefit of some contributors, Brian the Squeaky Wheel and I are two different people.

For we know I have no enemies and am loved by all :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the benefit of some contributors, Brian the Squeaky Wheel and I are two different people.</p>
<p>For we know I have no enemies and am loved by all <img src='http://bearingdrift.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reid Greenmun</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/10/15/how-city-races-in-virginia-beach-could-cost-mccain-virginia/#comment-8412</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid Greenmun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, I was a Republican a lot longer than you ever were - my Governor growing up was Ronald Reagan. I&#039;m a Goldwater Republican. You&#039;re a free loader that claims to be a Republican yet supports socialism.

Jim, when I read your lead in it seemed to me that you were in favor of the GOP rallying behind Will Sessoms. If that is not what you meant then I apologize for arriving at the wrong conclusion.

Stephen, yeah ... you make a good point about Brian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry, I was a Republican a lot longer than you ever were &#8211; my Governor growing up was Ronald Reagan. I&#8217;m a Goldwater Republican. You&#8217;re a free loader that claims to be a Republican yet supports socialism.</p>
<p>Jim, when I read your lead in it seemed to me that you were in favor of the GOP rallying behind Will Sessoms. If that is not what you meant then I apologize for arriving at the wrong conclusion.</p>
<p>Stephen, yeah &#8230; you make a good point about Brian.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Ryto</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/10/15/how-city-races-in-virginia-beach-could-cost-mccain-virginia/#comment-8338</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Ryto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to love it when the Tidewater Libertarian Party Vice Chair thinks he can decide who is a Republican and who isn&#039;t - even as he admits he isn&#039;t one.

As to Jim&#039;s point, while Will Sessoms may play well among the Chamber of Commerce types, you were NEVER going to get the Republican City Committee backbenchers to line up behind him. On John Moss, with his political best friends being Libertarians, you can&#039;t sell him among active Republicans.

If there was going to be a consensus Republican Mayoral candidate, it would have been Scott Taylor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to love it when the Tidewater Libertarian Party Vice Chair thinks he can decide who is a Republican and who isn&#8217;t &#8211; even as he admits he isn&#8217;t one.</p>
<p>As to Jim&#8217;s point, while Will Sessoms may play well among the Chamber of Commerce types, you were NEVER going to get the Republican City Committee backbenchers to line up behind him. On John Moss, with his political best friends being Libertarians, you can&#8217;t sell him among active Republicans.</p>
<p>If there was going to be a consensus Republican Mayoral candidate, it would have been Scott Taylor.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/10/15/how-city-races-in-virginia-beach-could-cost-mccain-virginia/#comment-8329</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always felt that municipal elections should remain in May, not moved to November.  I think it is unfortunate when these nonpartisan races become more partisan than they already were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always felt that municipal elections should remain in May, not moved to November.  I think it is unfortunate when these nonpartisan races become more partisan than they already were.</p>
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		<title>By: J.R. Hoeft</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/10/15/how-city-races-in-virginia-beach-could-cost-mccain-virginia/#comment-8313</link>
		<dc:creator>J.R. Hoeft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m only going to make one comment, because there is nothing you all said in this thread that refutes anything I wrote in the post.

Moss may have not had a formal Libertarian endorsement, but when he calls himself conservative/Libertarian...and not Republican...then he is being pretty clear on his allegiance.

Second, and this is most important for those of you choosing to read into this...I called upon the Republican party to endorse one of these three candidates.  I didn&#039;t say which one. 

I have no problem if Moss got the nod...I just want there to be unity under the banner.  May the best man win.  If that&#039;s the guy who is more of a Libertarian Republican, than great.

And, Gunter, you weren&#039;t calling me a hack a few months ago when I was supporting your candidate.  Interesting to see that hostility on full display.

Thanks, all, as always, for your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m only going to make one comment, because there is nothing you all said in this thread that refutes anything I wrote in the post.</p>
<p>Moss may have not had a formal Libertarian endorsement, but when he calls himself conservative/Libertarian&#8230;and not Republican&#8230;then he is being pretty clear on his allegiance.</p>
<p>Second, and this is most important for those of you choosing to read into this&#8230;I called upon the Republican party to endorse one of these three candidates.  I didn&#8217;t say which one. </p>
<p>I have no problem if Moss got the nod&#8230;I just want there to be unity under the banner.  May the best man win.  If that&#8217;s the guy who is more of a Libertarian Republican, than great.</p>
<p>And, Gunter, you weren&#8217;t calling me a hack a few months ago when I was supporting your candidate.  Interesting to see that hostility on full display.</p>
<p>Thanks, all, as always, for your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gunter</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/10/15/how-city-races-in-virginia-beach-could-cost-mccain-virginia/#comment-8305</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Gunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reid, I was talking about this post.  Bryan wanted to make it personal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid, I was talking about this post.  Bryan wanted to make it personal.</p>
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		<title>By: eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s Jeff Frederick who single-handedly blew it for McCain in Virginia.

I used to think moving local elections to November was a bad idea.  After reading all this discussion here, I&#039;m starting to change my mind!  Warring Republicans will self-destruct and Dems will pull out wins.  Cool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s Jeff Frederick who single-handedly blew it for McCain in Virginia.</p>
<p>I used to think moving local elections to November was a bad idea.  After reading all this discussion here, I&#8217;m starting to change my mind!  Warring Republicans will self-destruct and Dems will pull out wins.  Cool!</p>
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		<title>By: Reid Greenmun</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/10/15/how-city-races-in-virginia-beach-could-cost-mccain-virginia/#comment-8286</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid Greenmun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;ll act like Stephen and Brian and carry on a private conversation here too. Why have one discussion, right? I mean, that would be like a public blog or something and the &#039;locals&#039; wouldn&#039;t want that now would they?

Al, you are so correct in your observations. John Moss does represent the best ideals of the Republican party and the inestimable virtues of limited government. Your right to point out that he also represents the views of countless citizens in Virginia Beach, including many across party lines.

This begs the question, why would Jim Hoeft support the GOP in rallying behind a RINO like Will Sessoms?

Jim writes:

&quot;When Sessoms declared early on in this process as a Republican, both Moss and Taylor were not members of the Republican Party. Moss was running as a Libertarian. Taylor as an independent. Only late this summer, well after Sessoms had received most of the endorsements of elected officials in the party and of the party chair, Ken Golden, did Moss and Taylor join the Republican Party.&quot;

First off, John Moss never ran as a Libertarian. I know because I serve as the Vice Chairman of the Tidewater Libertarian Party. Secondly, is it Jim&#039;s view that whoever &quot;declared early on in this process as a Republican&quot; should be the candidate the party supports and all others are no longer welcome?

Wow!

I hope Jim might respond here and share his thought on this.

Al, do you feel that the GOP should run with a first come, first support policy for their candidates? 

Britt, what do you think?

Stephen and Brian feel free to carry on your own private conversation - or to join in with the rest of us posting here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;ll act like Stephen and Brian and carry on a private conversation here too. Why have one discussion, right? I mean, that would be like a public blog or something and the &#8216;locals&#8217; wouldn&#8217;t want that now would they?</p>
<p>Al, you are so correct in your observations. John Moss does represent the best ideals of the Republican party and the inestimable virtues of limited government. Your right to point out that he also represents the views of countless citizens in Virginia Beach, including many across party lines.</p>
<p>This begs the question, why would Jim Hoeft support the GOP in rallying behind a RINO like Will Sessoms?</p>
<p>Jim writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;When Sessoms declared early on in this process as a Republican, both Moss and Taylor were not members of the Republican Party. Moss was running as a Libertarian. Taylor as an independent. Only late this summer, well after Sessoms had received most of the endorsements of elected officials in the party and of the party chair, Ken Golden, did Moss and Taylor join the Republican Party.&#8221;</p>
<p>First off, John Moss never ran as a Libertarian. I know because I serve as the Vice Chairman of the Tidewater Libertarian Party. Secondly, is it Jim&#8217;s view that whoever &#8220;declared early on in this process as a Republican&#8221; should be the candidate the party supports and all others are no longer welcome?</p>
<p>Wow!</p>
<p>I hope Jim might respond here and share his thought on this.</p>
<p>Al, do you feel that the GOP should run with a first come, first support policy for their candidates? </p>
<p>Britt, what do you think?</p>
<p>Stephen and Brian feel free to carry on your own private conversation &#8211; or to join in with the rest of us posting here.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Gunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I can&#039;t understand how you can promote division but say you want unity.  For the most part, I get along with people I meet.

But as for being smug and smarmy.  It&#039;s true.  I really am awesome :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I can&#8217;t understand how you can promote division but say you want unity.  For the most part, I get along with people I meet.</p>
<p>But as for being smug and smarmy.  It&#8217;s true.  I really am awesome <img src='http://bearingdrift.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Al Saferstein</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/10/15/how-city-races-in-virginia-beach-could-cost-mccain-virginia/#comment-8222</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Saferstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While there is little doubt that John Moss represents the best ideals of the Republican party and the inestimable virtues of limited government, he also represents the views of countless citizens in Virginia Beach, including many across party lines.  John is not about anti-tax or irrational cuts in spending as he is for equitable distribution of the City&#039;s monumental tax revenues.  A policy that is virtually non-existent today in VB! Residents represent 87% of the real estate tax base including the little known fact of being the primary benefactor of the City&#039;s debt ceiling. You also will not find a single City Page excerpt that discloses how homeowners support 85% of all retail sales including the City&#039;s 12.9 million sf in retail space and yes, at least 80-85% of the annual budget. Despite serving as the primary economic engine &amp; providing these massive tax revenues, very little if any is returned to revitalize 987 aging neighborhoods. John is about the equitable distribution of tax revenues without favoring special interest over the long overdue needs of both the residential  and business community. John may vigorously support the conservative principals of the republican party but he is also about balance and fair representation by supporting the needs of all citizens. .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there is little doubt that John Moss represents the best ideals of the Republican party and the inestimable virtues of limited government, he also represents the views of countless citizens in Virginia Beach, including many across party lines.  John is not about anti-tax or irrational cuts in spending as he is for equitable distribution of the City&#8217;s monumental tax revenues.  A policy that is virtually non-existent today in VB! Residents represent 87% of the real estate tax base including the little known fact of being the primary benefactor of the City&#8217;s debt ceiling. You also will not find a single City Page excerpt that discloses how homeowners support 85% of all retail sales including the City&#8217;s 12.9 million sf in retail space and yes, at least 80-85% of the annual budget. Despite serving as the primary economic engine &amp; providing these massive tax revenues, very little if any is returned to revitalize 987 aging neighborhoods. John is about the equitable distribution of tax revenues without favoring special interest over the long overdue needs of both the residential  and business community. John may vigorously support the conservative principals of the republican party but he is also about balance and fair representation by supporting the needs of all citizens. .</p>
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		<title>By: Brian, The Squeaky Wheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian, The Squeaky Wheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen Gunter, I rest my case.

Smug and Smarmy... You sound like a NE Liberal elitist.

Folks, don&#039;t you love when people lecture and say THEY are the only one who stands by principles.

Stephen, you sound like an agry man who hates everyone.  People like that tend to be alone a lot.  I suggest a dog or a fish for you

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Gunter, I rest my case.</p>
<p>Smug and Smarmy&#8230; You sound like a NE Liberal elitist.</p>
<p>Folks, don&#8217;t you love when people lecture and say THEY are the only one who stands by principles.</p>
<p>Stephen, you sound like an agry man who hates everyone.  People like that tend to be alone a lot.  I suggest a dog or a fish for you</p>
<p> <img src='http://bearingdrift.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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