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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/09/08/women-not-sold-on-palin/#comment-6699</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, do main line Christians think it&#039;s ok to kill a baby depending on how it was conceived?  

I&#039;m not giving my personal view, but just wondering how, if a religion thinks life begins at conception, that whether the conception was consensual shouldn&#039;t decide whether or not it&#039;s a life.

Frenchy,

You have the right to say, ask and think anything you want.  And I have the right to question why religious and church involvement in politics is a cause for celebration for a Democrat and dangerously negative for a Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, do main line Christians think it&#8217;s ok to kill a baby depending on how it was conceived?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not giving my personal view, but just wondering how, if a religion thinks life begins at conception, that whether the conception was consensual shouldn&#8217;t decide whether or not it&#8217;s a life.</p>
<p>Frenchy,</p>
<p>You have the right to say, ask and think anything you want.  And I have the right to question why religious and church involvement in politics is a cause for celebration for a Democrat and dangerously negative for a Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/09/08/women-not-sold-on-palin/#comment-6698</link>
		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Washington Post has McCain up 12% among women today.

Why is Palin&#039;s religion such a big issue among people?  She&#039;s the VP nominee.  Obama&#039;s the P nominee and his church--and no matter what he says, he--is a religious radical.

I do not have a problem with Palin&#039;s AG beliefs in part because I have attended a number of AG churches in the past.  I don&#039;t current attended an AG church, but I have a number of AG friends.  AGers have many similiarities with fundamentalists and evangelicals.  They are a little freer in their worship which freaks out some more conservative worshipers.  

AGers are generally very outspoken, and yes they can be whacky at times.  But he among you who is w/o sin should cast the first stone.

There is maybe 5% of what AGers believe that more traditional Christians would not agree with.  You should not fear an AGer any more than you should fear a Catholic or Baptists.  AGers are defined first and foremost by their passion and their conviction that we should all live moral lives.  If you find that scary, don&#039;t vote for Palin.

And while AGers do believe in the Rapture, only a very small percent of them actually stock up for the Rapture. Most of us Rapture believers believe God will take care of us if we are alive then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Washington Post has McCain up 12% among women today.</p>
<p>Why is Palin&#8217;s religion such a big issue among people?  She&#8217;s the VP nominee.  Obama&#8217;s the P nominee and his church&#8211;and no matter what he says, he&#8211;is a religious radical.</p>
<p>I do not have a problem with Palin&#8217;s AG beliefs in part because I have attended a number of AG churches in the past.  I don&#8217;t current attended an AG church, but I have a number of AG friends.  AGers have many similiarities with fundamentalists and evangelicals.  They are a little freer in their worship which freaks out some more conservative worshipers.  </p>
<p>AGers are generally very outspoken, and yes they can be whacky at times.  But he among you who is w/o sin should cast the first stone.</p>
<p>There is maybe 5% of what AGers believe that more traditional Christians would not agree with.  You should not fear an AGer any more than you should fear a Catholic or Baptists.  AGers are defined first and foremost by their passion and their conviction that we should all live moral lives.  If you find that scary, don&#8217;t vote for Palin.</p>
<p>And while AGers do believe in the Rapture, only a very small percent of them actually stock up for the Rapture. Most of us Rapture believers believe God will take care of us if we are alive then.</p>
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		<title>By: FrenchytheSailor</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/09/08/women-not-sold-on-palin/#comment-6695</link>
		<dc:creator>FrenchytheSailor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 02:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Britt, If anyone took a page from the Goering it was Bush and Co.

“Naturally the common people don&#039;t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” 
-- Hermann Goering</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Britt, If anyone took a page from the Goering it was Bush and Co.</p>
<p>“Naturally the common people don&#8217;t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”<br />
&#8211; Hermann Goering</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/09/08/women-not-sold-on-palin/#comment-6694</link>
		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mark,

but that 3000 is part of alaska&#039;s &quot;permanent wealth&quot; fund where taxed on oil and other mineral wealth are distributed as mandate dint he state constitution. Every alaska governor since statehood has done that.

Now its ironic that alaska, a very republican state is also the most welfare state/ socialist one in nature (except maybe massachusetts... im a former masshole :) ). But that is not the reason why shes so popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mark,</p>
<p>but that 3000 is part of alaska&#8217;s &#8220;permanent wealth&#8221; fund where taxed on oil and other mineral wealth are distributed as mandate dint he state constitution. Every alaska governor since statehood has done that.</p>
<p>Now its ironic that alaska, a very republican state is also the most welfare state/ socialist one in nature (except maybe massachusetts&#8230; im a former masshole <img src='http://bearingdrift.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ). But that is not the reason why shes so popular.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/09/08/women-not-sold-on-palin/#comment-6691</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey - before anyone calls me out on going over the top on the Palin thing, clearly I don&#039;t think she is qualified to be VP.  But, I did overstate my position.  

Joel - She is re-distributing wealth in Alaska.  Each Alaska resident is receiving more than $3,000 dollars from the government this year.  Might make any politician popular...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8211; before anyone calls me out on going over the top on the Palin thing, clearly I don&#8217;t think she is qualified to be VP.  But, I did overstate my position.  </p>
<p>Joel &#8211; She is re-distributing wealth in Alaska.  Each Alaska resident is receiving more than $3,000 dollars from the government this year.  Might make any politician popular&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Not Joel Rubin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Joel Rubin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me get this straight...Palin did such a bad job as Mayor that they elected her Governor who went to get massive job approval ratings?  Sounds to me like a bit of wishful thinking</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get this straight&#8230;Palin did such a bad job as Mayor that they elected her Governor who went to get massive job approval ratings?  Sounds to me like a bit of wishful thinking</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian -  Dude, I go to a church which you would probably call evangelical or fundamentalist, I have a deep Christian belief - and I have some serious questions about her take on our faith.  Anyone who believes that the war in Iraq is some kind of holy crusade on behalf of God (which she has said repeatedly) is a nut job - just like Al Qaeda and those kooks - and should never be given the keys to our military.

As for the other stuff.  No surprise that she is driving women away.  Her pro-life stance includes prohibiting abortions as a result of rape or incest.  Even many main-line Christian denominations don&#039;t go that far.  

Besides that, there are SERIOUS questions about her ability to govern.  She left her town with their first budget deficit, she raised the sales tax, etc.  If you look into her background she&#039;s basically the Republican version of Hillary.

Last thing - Britt Howard, did you know that you were quoting Karl Rove&#039;s playbook?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8211;  Dude, I go to a church which you would probably call evangelical or fundamentalist, I have a deep Christian belief &#8211; and I have some serious questions about her take on our faith.  Anyone who believes that the war in Iraq is some kind of holy crusade on behalf of God (which she has said repeatedly) is a nut job &#8211; just like Al Qaeda and those kooks &#8211; and should never be given the keys to our military.</p>
<p>As for the other stuff.  No surprise that she is driving women away.  Her pro-life stance includes prohibiting abortions as a result of rape or incest.  Even many main-line Christian denominations don&#8217;t go that far.  </p>
<p>Besides that, there are SERIOUS questions about her ability to govern.  She left her town with their first budget deficit, she raised the sales tax, etc.  If you look into her background she&#8217;s basically the Republican version of Hillary.</p>
<p>Last thing &#8211; Britt Howard, did you know that you were quoting Karl Rove&#8217;s playbook?</p>
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		<title>By: FrenchytheSailor</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/09/08/women-not-sold-on-palin/#comment-6679</link>
		<dc:creator>FrenchytheSailor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

I have a serious question.  (This is not an attack).

Don&#039;t those of us Americans who are not Christian have a right to know what the beliefs are of the people we&#039;re electing?

As much as the founding fathers hoped for a seperation of Church and State, no one can dispute that regious organizations weld a lot of influence in Washington. 

Don&#039;t we have a right to know if a candidates beliefs are extreme?  (And I&#039;m not saying Palin&#039;s are, but &quot;if&quot; she&#039;s stocking her bunker for the End of Days, I&#039;d like to know).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>I have a serious question.  (This is not an attack).</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t those of us Americans who are not Christian have a right to know what the beliefs are of the people we&#8217;re electing?</p>
<p>As much as the founding fathers hoped for a seperation of Church and State, no one can dispute that regious organizations weld a lot of influence in Washington. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t we have a right to know if a candidates beliefs are extreme?  (And I&#8217;m not saying Palin&#8217;s are, but &#8220;if&#8221; she&#8217;s stocking her bunker for the End of Days, I&#8217;d like to know).</p>
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		<title>By: Britt Howard</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/09/08/women-not-sold-on-palin/#comment-6674</link>
		<dc:creator>Britt Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dems are taking a page from Hermann Goering and Josef Goebbels. 

&quot;Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth.&quot;

I&#039;ve also seen evidence to the contrary. Palin is a big plus for McCain and the &quot;Left&quot; is beside themselves with concern.

Palin&#039;s promise to become an advocate for special needs children had an affect on women that were even staunch Democrats. That comment tapped a constituency that isn&#039;t used to hearing their concerns being addressed on a national scale.

I accidently watched &quot;The View&quot; and heard them comment on Palin&#039;s address at the convention. While critical of some remarks Palin made, they were fairly even handed and that was with the token conservative missing as she was attending the convention. One of the ladies has a special needs child and she addressed that promise of advocacy. It was clear that she was affected by that very positively.

I don&#039;t buy that Palin is a negative among women. Well, .......with the exception of those that believe you stop being a woman after becoming Republican. In which case, hatred for Palin will increase in direct proportion to her increasing effectiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dems are taking a page from Hermann Goering and Josef Goebbels. </p>
<p>&#8220;Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also seen evidence to the contrary. Palin is a big plus for McCain and the &#8220;Left&#8221; is beside themselves with concern.</p>
<p>Palin&#8217;s promise to become an advocate for special needs children had an affect on women that were even staunch Democrats. That comment tapped a constituency that isn&#8217;t used to hearing their concerns being addressed on a national scale.</p>
<p>I accidently watched &#8220;The View&#8221; and heard them comment on Palin&#8217;s address at the convention. While critical of some remarks Palin made, they were fairly even handed and that was with the token conservative missing as she was attending the convention. One of the ladies has a special needs child and she addressed that promise of advocacy. It was clear that she was affected by that very positively.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy that Palin is a negative among women. Well, &#8230;&#8230;.with the exception of those that believe you stop being a woman after becoming Republican. In which case, hatred for Palin will increase in direct proportion to her increasing effectiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this poll is interesting, because the rasmussen polls are showing just the oposite. While pre-palin, obama has up to a 15 point lead amongst women, he now only has a 3 point lead... 

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

and ive seen similar results in other polls. Only one can be true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this poll is interesting, because the rasmussen polls are showing just the oposite. While pre-palin, obama has up to a 15 point lead amongst women, he now only has a 3 point lead&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll" rel="nofollow">http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll</a></p>
<p>and ive seen similar results in other polls. Only one can be true.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m watching CNN, and their attacking Palin for being &quot;religious&quot;

Keep it up, Lefties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m watching CNN, and their attacking Palin for being &#8220;religious&#8221;</p>
<p>Keep it up, Lefties.</p>
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