Biden On Meet The Press
By Brian "The Squeaky Wheel" | Sunday, September 7th, 2008 | PoliticsSen. Joe Biden was on Meet The Pres this morning. While there was a lot of information discussed and a lot that could be written about, two parts stuck me.
The first point is ironic. The discussion was how he thought best to solve the problems in Iraq. Now to Sen. Biden’s credit, while he criticizes Bush and McCain, unlike Obama he actually HAS some ideas, whether you agree with him or not. Normally Obama just says “Bush Bad… McCain Bad… Surge no good.” Biden was explaining his thoughts about how philosophically a successful country would work. His point was that you must have a central government but not over powering to the local areas. He said that it must not be a top down way to govern. Local areas and provinces should be empowered, not a large central government imposing everything. Coming from a U.S. Liberal, I found this ironic. Wish he felt that way about his own country.
The second is simple. It is, sadly, what I consider to be the Obamanization of Joe Biden. Although I disagree with a lot of what he thinks, I have always respected him for being straight forward and his own man. He has been confident, but never overly cocky. Now, it seems, he has fallen into the Obama “Chosen one” school of thought.
Tom Brokaw: “Five years from now do you think Iraq will have relative stability and Democratic principles in the central government?”
Joe Biden: “If there is an Obama-Biden administration, yeah.”
Only they can save Iraq, folks. The last Joe that guaranteed a win that arrogantly was Joe Namath. He and the Jets won. Was this Joe a little too arrogant?
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Yup, I watched it.
As for the choice between more of the same failed policy in Iraq (and please don’t start with “the Surge worked” mandra), because as I saw for myself from 2003 to 2005 and Jan. to July of this year, the surge only worked because the Iraqis were already fighting against the extreemist before the surge began. As Joe said, sure the surge helped but it wasn’t the reason things are starting to get better there.
It’s because the local Iraqi Shieks are as tired of the violence as we are and they’re doing something about it.
At the very least the Obama camp is telling us their plan. What’s McCain’s plan? Apart from “I was a POW” and Palin’s “I’m a hockey Mom”, what are their plans?
Oh that’s right…”No new taxes, drill baby drill and I’m a mavrick!”
The only thing that tells me is… there is no plan. Just more of the same crap.
But hey, I could be wrong. Maybe the liberal media is hiding the McCain plan from us?
Wow, Frenchy… You are always good for an intellectual point.
Surge worked by the way.
Biden recognizes that Iraq as a nation is a fairly recent construct of diverse cultural groups. In such an environment, forming a strong central government that wasn’t considered oppressive by one of more of them would (and is proving to) be a real challenge.
And if you think Biden’s response was arrogant, what would you call McCain’s 2013 ad.
Frenchy,
You don’t want to hear the “surge worked” mantra but you really admitted that it worked by saying “the surge only worked because..blah, blah”
Have you ever thought that adding more troops, allowed the iraqi troops to better handle their position and that the surge provided confidence in the iraqis. Come on, you have to better than that!
I am quite impressed with Joe Biden. Barack made a great choice in picking him as VP. He knows and understands both everyday issues and national issues.
Palin just seems to be a good attack bulldog. Things are written for her, then she vomits them ….with a lipstick on. Mccain wants to fight all the time, forgeting that he is old and many people do not want to jeopardize the lives of their children. I’m not sure how this strategy will attract people to their ticket!
Both Obama and Joe come accross as very intelligent, knowledgeable people who will take this country to great heights and lead us into peace and prosperity!!!
Obama comes across as an empty suit that gives a good speech (also written for him), but cannot think for himself.
rlewis,
I guess we can start the chicken and the egg argument… but that’s pointless.
Lets try this. Up until the surge the war was mismanaged in everyway possible. We were fortunate that Don Rumsfeld was fired and that Bush and Chaney were forced to listen to the military.
Now, do we really want another gungho cowboy, who won’t take shit from anyone, or do we want someone at least will to try diplomacy first.
Because if you pay attention to more than the GOP talking points, you may have notice Condi just got back from a visit to Libia and they are conducting negociations with Iran and North Korea.
You’ll notice, no one in the Bush camp has used the words “Axis of Evil” in quite some time. So I guess that means that Bush & Co “do” work with rogue nations.
If Obama was smart, then he would stop talking about anything outside of the South Side of Chicago and let Biden talk… But anything that is not ABOUT Obama is not for him.
I like when Biden said “I can’t speak for the campaign”
What????? Then why are you on TV?
Jack, Obama wrote his 2004 keynote speech that launched his national spotlight himself. His usual model these days for his major speeches is to write the initial draft himself and then polish it up working with his team. That was the case as well for his recent acceptance speech.
You think McCain writes his own speeches? He couldn’t even write any of his books including his own autobiography without Mark Salter.
And as for Obama not thinking, as president of the Harvard Law Review, state senator, US senator, and now presidential nominee he seems to have done pretty well for himself.
Then of course we have McCain, who graduated from the USNA ranked 894 out of 899. He decided to retire from the military and pursue politics when he realized he would likely never make admiral and fill his father and grandfather’s shoes, as 4 star admirals. Of course, the jump to politics was easy with his shiny new millionaire heiress wife (the old one didn’t look as good after her car accident and 23 operations, so he started cheating on her). A little time spent at Cindy’s daddy’s company as “VP of Public Relations” in-a-box, and he was able to capitalize on her connections and bottomless pocketbook. And the rest, as they say, is history.
You guys think Obama is arrogant? Anyone so much as starts to question how McCain defines himself and he gets all prickly. Now there’s a guy i sure want as CinC.
Jeremy, as a West Point grad I am always amused to hear left-wingers decry low class ranks at service academies. It’s difficult for them to understand, having gone to high-cost, low-SAT bastions like Antioch, but here’s the deal:
1. Academies are both very hard to get into (like the Ivy League) and hard to survive (unlike the Ivy League).
2. Service academies require a lot more juggling of diverse requirements in any given day than civilian schools require in any given week, of which academic requirements are onloy a part.
3. Service academies feature diverse, largely required courses of study, meaning that you don’t mostly get to take what you’re good at/like most.
4. Most importantly, low class rank at service academies are often a sign of rebellion rather than low talent. Since everybody’s going into uniform anyway, a high class rank isn’t going to get you a gilded Wall Street job, as is the case at other leading schools.
A few examples: Eisenhower, Patton, Custer, all near the bottom of their classes. The goat of my class? One of the founders of BET and now post-economic. Second in his USMA class? Civil War ditherer, George McClellan. In the top 100 of his USNA class? That giant among mushrooms, Jimmy Carter.
On the other hand, people at or near the top of their classes include MacArthur, Petraeus, Pershing, Lee, Ridgway. It just doesn’t matter. What matters, really, is character, which you have a higher probability of getting out of a service academy than most places, with a few conspicuous exceptions (e.g., Carter, his pettiness and serial treason).
Mark, thanks for the info. I know that class rank is definitely not a sure indicator of anything, and I’ll defer to your experience that it means even less at service academies. I use it only as a piece of a larger picture, one that to my mind seems often neglected as McCain’s POW status crowds out every other detail of his life.
Yeah… Obama writes his own speeches. Riiiiiiight. Are there actually people out there who really BELIEVE that? C’mon… you’re not that gullible, are you?
In 2000 I also believed that McCain was a maverick. Guess i am that gullible.
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