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	<title>Comments on: Prudent and responsible action on transportation special session by House Republicans</title>
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		<title>By: Britt Howard</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/24/prudent-and-responsible-action-by-house-republicans/#comment-3506</link>
		<dc:creator>Britt Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the mass transit is not bridged then it will only back up traffic. Of course, the traffic snarls will not be blamed on mass transit blockages but, the lack of taxes on our backs to fund more of it.

If major intersections are bridged that would be some relief. Perhaps some don&#039;t think traffic stoppages in minor arteries don&#039;t contribute to overall traffic problems?

Funding this huge expenditure with little short term gain in congestion relief takes precious funding out of funds that should be dedicated to maintaining and enhancing the current system of roads and highways. This has always been more about where the money is spent rather than the amount. Of course, if you spend these desperately needed funds on light rail rather the regional infrastructure needs that are virtual declared emergencies now, you set up the arguement that we will need to raise taxes again next year because too much was spent on things like this. But, that&#039;s what government funding has become right? A continually self-induced NEED manufactured by purposeful incompetence?

Relief is on the way though. When traffic is so overwhelmed and usuing your fuel efficient car becomes prohibitively expensive, you will be forced to use mass transit. Only the super wealthy will have the luxuary of their own vehicle. Also, when you no longer have that monthly car payment, you can afford to pay even more taxes and your local government is looking for their piece of YOUR pie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the mass transit is not bridged then it will only back up traffic. Of course, the traffic snarls will not be blamed on mass transit blockages but, the lack of taxes on our backs to fund more of it.</p>
<p>If major intersections are bridged that would be some relief. Perhaps some don&#8217;t think traffic stoppages in minor arteries don&#8217;t contribute to overall traffic problems?</p>
<p>Funding this huge expenditure with little short term gain in congestion relief takes precious funding out of funds that should be dedicated to maintaining and enhancing the current system of roads and highways. This has always been more about where the money is spent rather than the amount. Of course, if you spend these desperately needed funds on light rail rather the regional infrastructure needs that are virtual declared emergencies now, you set up the arguement that we will need to raise taxes again next year because too much was spent on things like this. But, that&#8217;s what government funding has become right? A continually self-induced NEED manufactured by purposeful incompetence?</p>
<p>Relief is on the way though. When traffic is so overwhelmed and usuing your fuel efficient car becomes prohibitively expensive, you will be forced to use mass transit. Only the super wealthy will have the luxuary of their own vehicle. Also, when you no longer have that monthly car payment, you can afford to pay even more taxes and your local government is looking for their piece of YOUR pie!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/24/prudent-and-responsible-action-by-house-republicans/#comment-3490</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, don&#039;t read into this that I oppose light rail, but ANYTHING gets good poll numbers if it doesn&#039;t cost anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry, don&#8217;t read into this that I oppose light rail, but ANYTHING gets good poll numbers if it doesn&#8217;t cost anything.</p>
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		<title>By: eileen</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/24/prudent-and-responsible-action-by-house-republicans/#comment-3487</link>
		<dc:creator>eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When and where is that meeting tomorrow?  Is it open to the public?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When and where is that meeting tomorrow?  Is it open to the public?</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Ryto</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/24/prudent-and-responsible-action-by-house-republicans/#comment-3486</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Ryto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BREAKING NEWS: HB 6028 was reported from the House Transportation Committee 18-0.

Reid,

You mean the elevated and automated system you would oppose the large tax increase to pay for? (Yeah, right.) Computers crash, software glitches, etc.

If there&#039;d been a realistic proposal on the table a few years ago for such a system, it might have been possible. However, events in Norfolk, Portsmouth, and Newport News have now precluded it.

As for the fare, a bus driver who knows me drove me to work yesterday and that topic came up. The new MAX express service is $3, versus $1.50 mainline. We both expect light rail to be $3. Here&#039;s the fun part: the finance figures for Norfolk&#039;s Starter Line are based on an $1.50 fare. Therefore, at $3 it would look much better financially.

Finally, no official statement from the VBTA on HB 6028? I&#039;ve been watching VNS for one.

Brian,

The online poll is now at 85% &quot;Yes&quot; with 1338 votes in. Two big factors;

1. The recent CNU poll showed mass transit, including light rail, as the second most popular transportation proposal.

2. People (hopefully) realize the medium term success of light rail in South Hampton Roads depends on getting Virginia Beach in. You could build a system in Norfolk and Portsmouth connecting to Newport News&#039; proposed line, but the water crossing is years away.

There&#039;s a meeting in Norfolk tomorrow morning to talk about extension northward. This may be a huge week for light rail locally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BREAKING NEWS: HB 6028 was reported from the House Transportation Committee 18-0.</p>
<p>Reid,</p>
<p>You mean the elevated and automated system you would oppose the large tax increase to pay for? (Yeah, right.) Computers crash, software glitches, etc.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;d been a realistic proposal on the table a few years ago for such a system, it might have been possible. However, events in Norfolk, Portsmouth, and Newport News have now precluded it.</p>
<p>As for the fare, a bus driver who knows me drove me to work yesterday and that topic came up. The new MAX express service is $3, versus $1.50 mainline. We both expect light rail to be $3. Here&#8217;s the fun part: the finance figures for Norfolk&#8217;s Starter Line are based on an $1.50 fare. Therefore, at $3 it would look much better financially.</p>
<p>Finally, no official statement from the VBTA on HB 6028? I&#8217;ve been watching VNS for one.</p>
<p>Brian,</p>
<p>The online poll is now at 85% &#8220;Yes&#8221; with 1338 votes in. Two big factors;</p>
<p>1. The recent CNU poll showed mass transit, including light rail, as the second most popular transportation proposal.</p>
<p>2. People (hopefully) realize the medium term success of light rail in South Hampton Roads depends on getting Virginia Beach in. You could build a system in Norfolk and Portsmouth connecting to Newport News&#8217; proposed line, but the water crossing is years away.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a meeting in Norfolk tomorrow morning to talk about extension northward. This may be a huge week for light rail locally.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/24/prudent-and-responsible-action-by-house-republicans/#comment-3484</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>84% in favor on Pilotonline so far</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>84% in favor on Pilotonline so far</p>
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		<title>By: Reid Greenmun</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/24/prudent-and-responsible-action-by-house-republicans/#comment-3482</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid Greenmun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, if any portion of the Light Rail is grade level then it requires human drivers and crash-proof cars. The non-automated Light Rail systems cost at least 60% more for operations than automated, elevated light rail. While the Feds and the state will share the cost of construction, the local taxpayers are stuck with the bill to pay for the vadst majority of annual costs of operations. 

The fares changed are so low that those that actually use the Light Rail do not even pay for the cost of its operation. Not to mention the cost of construction and maintenance and replacement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry, if any portion of the Light Rail is grade level then it requires human drivers and crash-proof cars. The non-automated Light Rail systems cost at least 60% more for operations than automated, elevated light rail. While the Feds and the state will share the cost of construction, the local taxpayers are stuck with the bill to pay for the vadst majority of annual costs of operations. </p>
<p>The fares changed are so low that those that actually use the Light Rail do not even pay for the cost of its operation. Not to mention the cost of construction and maintenance and replacement.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Ryto</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/24/prudent-and-responsible-action-by-house-republicans/#comment-3443</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Ryto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eileen,

Knucklehead&#039;s Roadhouse.

Reid,

I would expect the major intersections to be bridged. Meyera talked about such when I spoke at the NS ROW Public hearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen,</p>
<p>Knucklehead&#8217;s Roadhouse.</p>
<p>Reid,</p>
<p>I would expect the major intersections to be bridged. Meyera talked about such when I spoke at the NS ROW Public hearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Let&#8217;s keep the champagne on ice, please &#171; The right-wing liberal</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/24/prudent-and-responsible-action-by-house-republicans/#comment-3442</link>
		<dc:creator>Let&#8217;s keep the champagne on ice, please &#171; The right-wing liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] RPV, the right-side of the Virginia blogosphere has had rough times.  Thus, I can understand why Bearing Drift, Crystal Clear Conservative, Mason Conservative, and SWAC Girl are so quick to exult the demise of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] RPV, the right-side of the Virginia blogosphere has had rough times.  Thus, I can understand why Bearing Drift, Crystal Clear Conservative, Mason Conservative, and SWAC Girl are so quick to exult the demise of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reid Greenmun</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/24/prudent-and-responsible-action-by-house-republicans/#comment-3441</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid Greenmun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, we all know that Brian is sooooo welcomed by the inner core members of the VBTA, LOL!

As to grade level light rail running down the NS ROW. That proposal is a horrific waste of precious transportation funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, we all know that Brian is sooooo welcomed by the inner core members of the VBTA, LOL!</p>
<p>As to grade level light rail running down the NS ROW. That proposal is a horrific waste of precious transportation funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/24/prudent-and-responsible-action-by-house-republicans/#comment-3440</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My VBTA?  Oh yes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My VBTA?  Oh yes!</p>
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		<title>By: eileen</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/24/prudent-and-responsible-action-by-house-republicans/#comment-3437</link>
		<dc:creator>eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too.  I&#039;m looking at our spreadsheet of bills and  it wasn&#039;t on there.  So I owe you one, Henry!  How about I buy you drinks at your local water hole?  I&#039;m curious to check it out.  What was the name of it again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too.  I&#8217;m looking at our spreadsheet of bills and  it wasn&#8217;t on there.  So I owe you one, Henry!  How about I buy you drinks at your local water hole?  I&#8217;m curious to check it out.  What was the name of it again?</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Ryto</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/24/prudent-and-responsible-action-by-house-republicans/#comment-3436</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Ryto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eileen,

First of all, Brian and the VBTA are mutually exclusive.

The text of the bill is now online. However, it still hasn&#039;t been assigned to committee.

Honest, I wasn&#039;t expecting a PPTA. I&#039;m not sure how you would structure the project as a PPTA. However, it should get in done quicker and insulate it from (yeah) the VBTA.

I&#039;ve talked to a couple people and nobody saw this coming. Therefore, it&#039;s a pleasant surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen,</p>
<p>First of all, Brian and the VBTA are mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>The text of the bill is now online. However, it still hasn&#8217;t been assigned to committee.</p>
<p>Honest, I wasn&#8217;t expecting a PPTA. I&#8217;m not sure how you would structure the project as a PPTA. However, it should get in done quicker and insulate it from (yeah) the VBTA.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve talked to a couple people and nobody saw this coming. Therefore, it&#8217;s a pleasant surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: eileen</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/24/prudent-and-responsible-action-by-house-republicans/#comment-3434</link>
		<dc:creator>eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Henry... enlighten me. Did we ever think that light rail to VB would not be set up as some kind of PPTA?  We heard from Kaine at his Town Hall meeting that all of the 7 HR projects would most likely involve both tolls and a PPTA.  We also know that Kaine has earmarked the grantors tax for mass transit.  In a PPTA situation, the State has to come to the table with at least some money and I would assume those State $ come from that grantors tax.  

I haven&#039;t read Tata&#039;s bill yet, but it is my understanding that PPTAs need to first be &quot;chartered&quot;.  Is that what his bill does? IMHO, this is good news.  This is how we get light rail to the Beach!  Am I otherwise missing something here with your sarcasm, Henry?  Or is that more pointed at Brian and his VBTA?   

Thanks for the heads-up on this, Henry.  I&#039;ll have to send it up to my Richmond people in case they haven&#039;t seen it yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Henry&#8230; enlighten me. Did we ever think that light rail to VB would not be set up as some kind of PPTA?  We heard from Kaine at his Town Hall meeting that all of the 7 HR projects would most likely involve both tolls and a PPTA.  We also know that Kaine has earmarked the grantors tax for mass transit.  In a PPTA situation, the State has to come to the table with at least some money and I would assume those State $ come from that grantors tax.  </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read Tata&#8217;s bill yet, but it is my understanding that PPTAs need to first be &#8220;chartered&#8221;.  Is that what his bill does? IMHO, this is good news.  This is how we get light rail to the Beach!  Am I otherwise missing something here with your sarcasm, Henry?  Or is that more pointed at Brian and his VBTA?   </p>
<p>Thanks for the heads-up on this, Henry.  I&#8217;ll have to send it up to my Richmond people in case they haven&#8217;t seen it yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Ryto</title>
		<link>http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/24/prudent-and-responsible-action-by-house-republicans/#comment-3431</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Ryto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else having fun with HB 6028? It&#039;s patroned by Bob Tata in the House and Frank Wagner in the Senate. The bill would bid out light rail in Virginia Beach from Newtown Road to the Oceanfront as a PPTA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone else having fun with HB 6028? It&#8217;s patroned by Bob Tata in the House and Frank Wagner in the Senate. The bill would bid out light rail in Virginia Beach from Newtown Road to the Oceanfront as a PPTA.</p>
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