Comments on: Ellmore and Singh campaigns acknowledge errors and politics in flyer flap http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/09/ellmore-and-singh-campaign-acknowledge-errors-and-politics-in-flyer-flap/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:57:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/09/ellmore-and-singh-campaign-acknowledge-errors-and-politics-in-flyer-flap/#comment-3004 John Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:17:10 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=494#comment-3004 ... oh and one more thing... you don't think he did it on purpose??!?!?! Are you out of your mind? Wake up! … oh and one more thing… you don’t think he did it on purpose??!?!?! Are you out of your mind? Wake up!

]]> By: John http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/09/ellmore-and-singh-campaign-acknowledge-errors-and-politics-in-flyer-flap/#comment-3003 John Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:14:12 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=494#comment-3003 Frank, No need for personal attacks? Ellmore has constantly said that Amit is insulting our troops. Seem a little personal (and false to you). And in fact Ellmore does fully admit in his OWN book that he is a former drug addict. Publish something be prepared to stand by it. So... in yo face!!! Frank,

No need for personal attacks? Ellmore has constantly said that Amit is insulting our troops. Seem a little personal (and false to you).

And in fact Ellmore does fully admit in his OWN book that he is a former drug addict. Publish something be prepared to stand by it.

So… in yo face!!!

]]> By: Frank http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/09/ellmore-and-singh-campaign-acknowledge-errors-and-politics-in-flyer-flap/#comment-2994 Frank Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:35:04 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=494#comment-2994 Come on John, That is a little overboard. We don't need personal attacks. For what it is worth, I personally don't think he did it on purpose. I know it is easy to vilify, but the stress of a campaign is overwhelming and it is VERY easy for several details to slip through the cracks. And with fast approaching deadlines... It should not have happened, but I still don't think he did it on purpose. Just like he didn't put www.MarkEllmore.com on purpose on his first mini flyer. Now I will also say that I thought Amit's campaign could have used a million other things against Mark. The border security one wasn't strong. It actually makes the rest of the piece look weaker. Yes he "technically said that" but why not focus on the construction materials flop. Say something like "Mark is adamant that concrete not be used" or "Mark's debate on border security is about material." But if we all take a step back and watch the process unfold, am I the only one that saw Mark completely revamp his issues and positions once Amit came in? He has been running for 2 years. Why change? The quote in his book about stealing every idea... that seems to still be true. I even heard him once say in a speech that he and Amit were pretty much exactly the same person, with the exception of 1 issue, Iraq. Wow, that is a bold statement. Anyhow, I hope the turn out is high. Only 4,000 people voted 2 years ago in the Republican primary out of 600,000 possible voters. Let the best man win. Frank Come on John,
That is a little overboard. We don’t need personal attacks.

For what it is worth, I personally don’t think he did it on purpose. I know it is easy to vilify, but the stress of a campaign is overwhelming and it is VERY easy for several details to slip through the cracks. And with fast approaching deadlines…

It should not have happened, but I still don’t think he did it on purpose. Just like he didn’t put http://www.MarkEllmore.com on purpose on his first mini flyer.

Now I will also say that I thought Amit’s campaign could have used a million other things against Mark. The border security one wasn’t strong. It actually makes the rest of the piece look weaker. Yes he “technically said that” but why not focus on the construction materials flop. Say something like “Mark is adamant that concrete not be used” or “Mark’s debate on border security is about material.”

But if we all take a step back and watch the process unfold, am I the only one that saw Mark completely revamp his issues and positions once Amit came in? He has been running for 2 years. Why change? The quote in his book about stealing every idea… that seems to still be true.

I even heard him once say in a speech that he and Amit were pretty much exactly the same person, with the exception of 1 issue, Iraq. Wow, that is a bold statement.

Anyhow, I hope the turn out is high. Only 4,000 people voted 2 years ago in the Republican primary
out of 600,000 possible voters.

Let the best man win.

Frank

]]> By: John http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/09/ellmore-and-singh-campaign-acknowledge-errors-and-politics-in-flyer-flap/#comment-2989 John Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:08:11 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=494#comment-2989 Hey, I just want to stand up here and defend Mark Ellmore! The man is a true American hero!!! Yes, he may have made up quotes and lied about Amit's record in his flier. But Mark Ellmore is a recovering drug addict (as stated in his own book ... "I've done enough drugs to choke a horse"). That takes tremendous courage. Fighting drug addiction (and possibly mental retardation) is one of the most courageous things I have ever seen a candidate do. And now he is being even more courageous by not admitting his lies! God Bless you Mark Ellmore... you are a true American Hero. And for those of you waiting for for Mark Ellmore to apologize, I am sure he will do it when he gets to that step in his 12 step program. Hey, I just want to stand up here and defend Mark Ellmore! The man is a true American hero!!!

Yes, he may have made up quotes and lied about Amit’s record in his flier. But Mark Ellmore is a recovering drug addict (as stated in his own book … “I’ve done enough drugs to choke a horse”). That takes tremendous courage. Fighting drug addiction (and possibly mental retardation) is one of the most courageous things I have ever seen a candidate do. And now he is being even more courageous by not admitting his lies! God Bless you Mark Ellmore… you are a true American Hero.

And for those of you waiting for for Mark Ellmore to apologize, I am sure he will do it when he gets to that step in his 12 step program.

]]> By: Ron Paul Blog - Dirty Tricks By Ellmore In VA-8 GOP Primary http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/09/ellmore-and-singh-campaign-acknowledge-errors-and-politics-in-flyer-flap/#comment-2988 Ron Paul Blog - Dirty Tricks By Ellmore In VA-8 GOP Primary Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:42:35 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=494#comment-2988 [...] and source those statements to third parties such as myself. My Jeffersoniad sister blog Bearing Drift reports that Dan Tillson, Mr. Ellmore’s campaign manager, “writes via email that the [...] [...] and source those statements to third parties such as myself. My Jeffersoniad sister blog Bearing Drift reports that Dan Tillson, Mr. Ellmore’s campaign manager, “writes via email that the [...]

]]> By: EJ http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/09/ellmore-and-singh-campaign-acknowledge-errors-and-politics-in-flyer-flap/#comment-2987 EJ Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:13:17 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=494#comment-2987 What Id like to know about Ellmore's campaign's excuse, if it were just a mistake in changing up the copies and they miss attributed something, then shouldn’t that mean that the quotes come from somewhere else? Or the option is that it was the wrong quote but the sources still said something similar? The problem with their story is that those fabricated quotes dont come from anywhere, and they will not point to where they got them from. How does one "mistakenly" place multiple quotes that were never made? This looks quite obvious to me that this was a dirty smear campaign. And for that I thank the Ellmore campaign for making a mockery of the party and just reaffirming the general electorate's view that republicans are unethical and hypocritical. Thanks guys. You did a great job! Thinks just seem to never change, and until they do, we will keep losing to the democrats. What Id like to know about Ellmore’s campaign’s excuse, if it were just a mistake in changing up the copies and they miss attributed something, then shouldn’t that mean that the quotes come from somewhere else? Or the option is that it was the wrong quote but the sources still said something similar? The problem with their story is that those fabricated quotes dont come from anywhere, and they will not point to where they got them from. How does one “mistakenly” place multiple quotes that were never made? This looks quite obvious to me that this was a dirty smear campaign. And for that I thank the Ellmore campaign for making a mockery of the party and just reaffirming the general electorate’s view that republicans are unethical and hypocritical. Thanks guys. You did a great job! Thinks just seem to never change, and until they do, we will keep losing to the democrats.

]]> By: Bill http://bearingdrift.com/2008/06/09/ellmore-and-singh-campaign-acknowledge-errors-and-politics-in-flyer-flap/#comment-2980 Bill Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:17:50 +0000 http://bearingdrift.com/?p=494#comment-2980 Mark does believe there is a difference between a wall and a fence. Both on Blacknell.net and at the George Mason Debate he goes into painful detail to distinguish between the two: George Mason Debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxT-AlKXgQs Interview with Mark Blacknell (who Ellmore fabricated quotes from) http://blacknell.net/dynamic/2008/05/29/interview-with-candidate-mark-ellmore-8th-cd-part-iii/ ME: So I say first, I did not support putting a Berlin Wall on the border with Mexico. I am absolutely against a concrete wall. MB: But you're in favor of a fence. ME: Yes, a fence. MB: A wall versus a fence? ME: Right, because a wall [gives more of a sense of separation.] MB: There's a difference between the two? ME: There's a difference between bricks and mortar and a Berlin Wall with gun turrets on it – that image – as opposed to a border security fence. I see them as completely separate and distinct, and that's what I'm pushing for. The reason why is because we have to say, it's not just saying "well, there are more brown people coming from . . . " it's people from South and Central America, and other people, potentially, coming across – well, can you obey the rule of law? MB: Mmkay. Mark does believe there is a difference between a wall and a fence. Both on Blacknell.net and at the George Mason Debate he goes into painful detail to distinguish between the two:

George Mason Debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxT-AlKXgQs

Interview with Mark Blacknell (who Ellmore fabricated quotes from)
http://blacknell.net/dynamic/2008/05/29/interview-with-candidate-mark-ellmore-8th-cd-part-iii/

ME: So I say first, I did not support putting a Berlin Wall on the border with Mexico. I am absolutely against a concrete wall.

MB: But you’re in favor of a fence.

ME: Yes, a fence.

MB: A wall versus a fence?

ME: Right, because a wall [gives more of a sense of separation.]

MB: There’s a difference between the two?

ME: There’s a difference between bricks and mortar and a Berlin Wall with gun turrets on it – that image – as opposed to a border security fence. I see them as completely separate and distinct, and that’s what I’m pushing for. The reason why is because we have to say, it’s not just saying “well, there are more brown people coming from . . . ” it’s people from South and Central America, and other people, potentially, coming across – well, can you obey the rule of law?

MB: Mmkay.

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