BK (and Ian, if that is what you were trying to do?) - please, for the love of this nation, do not politicize which side is more patriotic or supports the troops more. It is sickening that so many believe that they can USE the troops for their own political ends.
The Kerry comment, while pretty boneheaded, i wouldn’t say constituted *using* the troops. Something more along the lines of Rep Marilyn Musgrave’s whole snafu with uniformed marines at a political event in 2006 would be a more accurate use for that word.
On another note, i caught part of an amazing piece on NPR today called The Silent Generation: From Saipan to Tokyo. I confess i was pretty ignorant regarding the details of the battle of Iwo Jima, and found the personal accounts of the WWII vets chilling and amazing. Unfortunately i didn’t get to hear the whole show, as after getting home and sitting the driveway for 10 mins listening my wife called my cell and told me to get the *bleep* out of the car and come inside to help her with getting the boys settled for lunch (twas apparently a rough morning). But it was a soul-wrenching reminder for those of us never having worn a military uniform of the sacrifices of those sworn to protect us and our liberty.
The Battle of Iwo Jima is incredibly important to the history of the USMC and our miltiary. It’s a terrible shame that more Americans aren’t exposed, or perhaps just don’t have the interest you demonstrated, in learning about what the real men and real women who make up the “troops” have actually done.
Yes, Brian, the privilege of using the troops for political points belongs to the self-righteously indignant, such as Rags. Please remember that next time.
You and BK are emblamatic of a problem in our nation, which comes primarily from the GOP. You seem to believe that you can cast dispersions on anyone you choose in the name of the “troops” or patriotism. I can not imagine anything more unpatriotic or unsupportive of the military than to put words or ideas in the mouths of people who have said nothing and who are honor-bound to try to remain politically neutral.
BK - I really had no idea who Ian is or that he writes at VB Dems. I’m really not much on the blogging bit - other than on this site, and that is only out of my friendship for Jim/ habit born of my previous involvement as a writer here.
As for what Ian wrote, I didn’t see anything political - I just thought it was insulting and a bit nutty. If it was poltical (which if he writes for a political blog it probably is) then shame on him. I will head over there after I finish this and share my irritation with them as well, if appropriate after reading their post.
As for your assertions, please read what you actually wrote:
“We Republicans like to thank our troops.
Our presidential candidates don’t tell jokes about their intelligence in their campaign speeches, ya know.”
What you authored can not be interpreted as anything other than a politically biased attack. You should have simply condemned him as an American without making statements about Republicans and implications about Democrats.
Good lord. This has nothing to do with politics. It is all in the name of the holiday…MEMORIAL-definition…something designed to preserve the memory of a person…MEANING that person is no longer with us. MEMORIAL Day serves the purpose of us taking this time to ESPECIALLY remember our fallen, hence its name.
Ian - My apologies, I see your point. I’ll confess just looking at what you wrote above, I didn’t know what to make of it. But, in the context you provided it makes perfect sense.
Although, while that may have been the original purpose, the holiday had long since transformed. I recall going to Memorial Day parades in Dearborn, Michigan as a little one and it was as much about the living as the dead - then again, the most moving Memorial Days I have spent have been while stationed on a submarine base in Georgia, where the focus was on those “still on patrol”.
Regardless, the fact that I am seeing your point at all will now lead to condemnation from BK that I - a Dem, and you, (I would assume judging by the name of your site) a Dem are colluding…
BK - Did you respond? Yes. You really can’t help yourself, can you?
And - I certainly hope I think about myself more than you do, it would be terribly distrubing if a two-bit political hack in a B-list town thought more about me than I do…
DSBF - Though, I am flattered that someone in Virginia does think more about me than I do…
It’s kind of you to recall from some distant (though well-written I’m sure) obscure post that I am a law school graduate. More than slightly disconcerting too, but all the same, odd kudos are owed to you sir or ma’am.
I have no doubt that you are a proud English major from a fine community college determined to spread your few kernals of knowledge across a fallow field. Spread away, I have no pride in authorship (this IS a blog). FYI - for future posts: I also can’t spell. This will be an uncultivated field for you to spread your angry seeds on.
There’s a guy in my apartment complex who’s a WWII vet, he fought in Germany. I made sure to thank him the other day.
Correction: For all those WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES serving.
Sorry, Ian. We Republicans like to thank our troops.
Our presidential candidates don’t tell jokes about their intelligence in their campaign speeches, ya know.
BK (and Ian, if that is what you were trying to do?) - please, for the love of this nation, do not politicize which side is more patriotic or supports the troops more. It is sickening that so many believe that they can USE the troops for their own political ends.
Like this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o
The Kerry comment, while pretty boneheaded, i wouldn’t say constituted *using* the troops. Something more along the lines of Rep Marilyn Musgrave’s whole snafu with uniformed marines at a political event in 2006 would be a more accurate use for that word.
On another note, i caught part of an amazing piece on NPR today called The Silent Generation: From Saipan to Tokyo. I confess i was pretty ignorant regarding the details of the battle of Iwo Jima, and found the personal accounts of the WWII vets chilling and amazing. Unfortunately i didn’t get to hear the whole show, as after getting home and sitting the driveway for 10 mins listening my wife called my cell and told me to get the *bleep* out of the car and come inside to help her with getting the boys settled for lunch (twas apparently a rough morning). But it was a soul-wrenching reminder for those of us never having worn a military uniform of the sacrifices of those sworn to protect us and our liberty.
BK - you are pathetic. please stop YOUR disgusting use of Memorial Day and the troops to make a political point.
Jeremy -
The Battle of Iwo Jima is incredibly important to the history of the USMC and our miltiary. It’s a terrible shame that more Americans aren’t exposed, or perhaps just don’t have the interest you demonstrated, in learning about what the real men and real women who make up the “troops” have actually done.
Yes, Brian, the privilege of using the troops for political points belongs to the self-righteously indignant, such as Rags. Please remember that next time.
DSBAF -
You and BK are emblamatic of a problem in our nation, which comes primarily from the GOP. You seem to believe that you can cast dispersions on anyone you choose in the name of the “troops” or patriotism. I can not imagine anything more unpatriotic or unsupportive of the military than to put words or ideas in the mouths of people who have said nothing and who are honor-bound to try to remain politically neutral.
Ragnar, your medication is on the top shelf. It may help your reading skills as well as your mental stability.
I didn’t cast dispersions on anyone, other than John Kerry for saying people who don’t do well in school join the military.
Only you could see my words DEFENDING those who serve as negative.
Obviously, you didn’t see VBDEMS’ attack on those who applaud all those who served, rather than just those “WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES” (Ian’s caps)
Please go read their blog, and then come back and bash the GOP as you usually do.
BK - I really had no idea who Ian is or that he writes at VB Dems. I’m really not much on the blogging bit - other than on this site, and that is only out of my friendship for Jim/ habit born of my previous involvement as a writer here.
As for what Ian wrote, I didn’t see anything political - I just thought it was insulting and a bit nutty. If it was poltical (which if he writes for a political blog it probably is) then shame on him. I will head over there after I finish this and share my irritation with them as well, if appropriate after reading their post.
As for your assertions, please read what you actually wrote:
“We Republicans like to thank our troops.
Our presidential candidates don’t tell jokes about their intelligence in their campaign speeches, ya know.”
What you authored can not be interpreted as anything other than a politically biased attack. You should have simply condemned him as an American without making statements about Republicans and implications about Democrats.
Good lord. This has nothing to do with politics. It is all in the name of the holiday…MEMORIAL-definition…something designed to preserve the memory of a person…MEANING that person is no longer with us. MEMORIAL Day serves the purpose of us taking this time to ESPECIALLY remember our fallen, hence its name.
Real nutty and partisan, right?
Ian - My apologies, I see your point. I’ll confess just looking at what you wrote above, I didn’t know what to make of it. But, in the context you provided it makes perfect sense.
Although, while that may have been the original purpose, the holiday had long since transformed. I recall going to Memorial Day parades in Dearborn, Michigan as a little one and it was as much about the living as the dead - then again, the most moving Memorial Days I have spent have been while stationed on a submarine base in Georgia, where the focus was on those “still on patrol”.
Regardless, the fact that I am seeing your point at all will now lead to condemnation from BK that I - a Dem, and you, (I would assume judging by the name of your site) a Dem are colluding…
Ragnar, you obviously think about yourself much, much more than I do.
“cast dispersions” — Ragnar, I’d really love to know what law school let you in. Most of the good ones have basic literacy requirements.
BK - Did you respond? Yes. You really can’t help yourself, can you?
And - I certainly hope I think about myself more than you do, it would be terribly distrubing if a two-bit political hack in a B-list town thought more about me than I do…
DSBF - Though, I am flattered that someone in Virginia does think more about me than I do…
It’s kind of you to recall from some distant (though well-written I’m sure) obscure post that I am a law school graduate. More than slightly disconcerting too, but all the same, odd kudos are owed to you sir or ma’am.
I have no doubt that you are a proud English major from a fine community college determined to spread your few kernals of knowledge across a fallow field. Spread away, I have no pride in authorship (this IS a blog). FYI - for future posts: I also can’t spell. This will be an uncultivated field for you to spread your angry seeds on.
Ragnar seems to like it when guys “spread their angry seeds on”
Ok, got me, that was pretty funny.